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    Ethnic German Migration Since 1989 - Results and Perspectives

    Ethnic German Migration since 1989 - Results and Perspectives/ Aussiedler seit 1989 - Bilanz und Perspektiven

    by Zimmermann, Klaus F.

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    Among all European countries, Germany absorbs by far the largest number of immigrants. But to date, the German government has yet to adopt a system that will effectively control the influx of foreigners. The immigration of Ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe, which is due to historical events and therefore constitutionally guaranteed, is a special case. It is marked by selection criteria (language tests), de facto quotas, and mobility restrictions. Although the immigration of foreigners and Ethnic Germans produces overall positive effects, the recent trend has been more problematic, especially as the economic situation in Germany deteriorated. Ethnic Germans are basically facing the same difficulties with social and economic integration as foreigners. A majority of young Ethnic Germans have no cultural or language ties to Germany. Insufficient language skills and the lack of adequate education and training often limit their labor market prospects to simple tasks and physical labor. Over the last few years, unemployment among Ethnic Germans in the workforce has increased. This study concludes that Germany needs a well-directed immigration policy in order to make the immigration process transparent and predictable. This would also lead to a better acceptance of foreigners and Ethnic Germans in society. A German immigration law could be based on the existing structures that apply to the influx of Ethnic Germans.

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    The difference is, the children and grandchildren of these East European Germans will fit in far better than the children and grandchildren of Turkish immigrants

    I still think it's lame that East European ethnic Germans have unlimited entry to Germany whereas ethnic Germans from North America and Down Under must have a recent immigrant family member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    I still think it's lame that East European ethnic Germans have unlimited entry to Germany whereas ethnic Germans from North America and Down Under must have a recent immigrant family member.
    I think it's logical. Ethnic Germans in Eastern Europe formed enclaves and preserved their culture and traditions for centuries. Transylvanian Saxons are much easier to integrate Germany being that they speak German. As far as I heard, they have little problems fitting in, which is why such a large number has left Romania since '89 and accepted into Germany. The USA is a whole different story. Besides the Amish, there are few Germans living in enclaves. The USA conducted an anti-German policy for decades, which resulted in German families anglicizing their names and not passing on their German language to the next generation, because of the shame. In Eastern Europe, Germans were, on the contrary, privileged people for centuries and some even had leading positions. The Transylvanian Saxons were one of the three political nations, the Russians were lead by a German (Catherine the Great), etc. When the persecutions did begin (WWII and afterwards), the Germans were either expelled from the lands (Poland, etc.), or left on their own. The Federal Republic has a federation of expellees which takes care of German expellees from Eastern Europe. So it's logical that ethnic Germans have better preserved their heritage in Eastern Europe than in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachthimmel View Post
    I think it's logical. Ethnic Germans in Eastern Europe formed enclaves and preserved their culture and traditions for centuries.
    Well, the article said "A majority of young Ethnic Germans have no cultural or language ties to Germany. Insufficient language skills and the lack of adequate education and training often limit their labor market prospects to simple tasks and physical labor." There'd be problems with either one. Most German-Americans are highly educated, small businessmen/farmers, or skilled tradesmen. A lot did factory work, but that was more the baby boom generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachthimmel View Post
    I think it's logical. Ethnic Germans in Eastern Europe formed enclaves and preserved their culture and traditions for centuries. Transylvanian Saxons are much easier to integrate Germany being that they speak German. As far as I heard, they have little problems fitting in, which is why such a large number has left Romania since '89 and accepted into Germany. The USA is a whole different story. Besides the Amish, there are few Germans living in enclaves. The USA conducted an anti-German policy for decades, which resulted in German families anglicizing their names and not passing on their German language to the next generation, because of the shame. In Eastern Europe, Germans were, on the contrary, privileged people for centuries and some even had leading positions. The Transylvanian Saxons were one of the three political nations, the Russians were lead by a German (Catherine the Great), etc. When the persecutions did begin (WWII and afterwards), the Germans were either expelled from the lands (Poland, etc.), or left on their own. The Federal Republic has a federation of expellees which takes care of German expellees from Eastern Europe. So it's logical that ethnic Germans have better preserved their heritage in Eastern Europe than in the USA.
    Nachthimmel, I believe you look at the wrong criteria.

    From what I know, most Russia-Germans look more Slavic than Germanic (and many speak only Russian fluently, but I am making a different point now). If a Wolga-German has taken a lot of local blood over the years, God knows what kind of blood he has, maybe Turkic or who knows what else. He is surrounded by Russians, Turkics, and other characters of murky origins from across the Russian Empire. If an American of German-ancestry has taken in blood which is not from Deutschland, it will most likely be of other Germanic or closely-related ethnicities, which predominate the German-settled areas of America.

    So, a random group of 1,000 German-Americans is almost definitely more "Germanic by blood" than a group of Russia-Germans. From a strictly blood perspective, one should prefer German-Americans to Russia-Germans.


    I think most eastern Spaetaussiedler are fraudulent, like Lukas 'Ich habe ein polnisches Herz' Podolski, the allegedly ethnicGerman football player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Well, the article said "A majority of young Ethnic Germans have no cultural or language ties to Germany. Insufficient language skills and the lack of adequate education and training often limit their labor market prospects to simple tasks and physical labor."
    This depends which part of Eastern Europe people are speaking about, it's mostly true for Germans from Russia, not so often for the Transylvanian Saxons however.
    Here I post again from an article in 1990 after the fall of communism:

    About half the country's ethnic Germans have left since the revolution in December, and 45,000 more are expected to depart in the months ahead, he said. Most ethnic Germans in the country have applied for an emigration number, which gives its bearer the right to a German visa at any time.

    In an opinion poll last spring, about 80 percent of ethnic Germans who responded said they definitely wanted to emigrate and only 6 percent said they would stay, said Klaus Brambach, spokesman for the German Embassy in Bucharest, which issued about 20,000 permanent entry visas in a single month last summer and 7,500 in November. 'Mostly Skilled' Emigrants

    "They are mostly skilled, hard-working people, and they don't have a language problem in Germany," he said. "They are not considered foreigners."

    The source:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C1A966958260

    I'm not sure why the Aussiedler from Russia have language problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    I'm not sure why the Aussiedler from Russia have language problems.
    One tends to forget who he is, when he is in prison over a long period of time.

    Russian Empire : "The Prison of Nations".



    (Also that many of the Russia-Germans are fraudulent).

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    Here some information from a newsarticle about immigration and integration in Germany. It looks like the ethnic Germans from the Soviet Union are doing rather well too and especially their descendants:

    The so-called Aussiedler, ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, most of whom who came to Germany in the 1990s, are the biggest single group of immigrants, and they have also done relatively well. Their sons and daughters are making good use of the education system and the proportion of them with higher education degrees is greater than that of the general German population.
    The article:
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...603588,00.html

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    Germans should be expanding and having large families and sending emigrants abroad to Canada and Australia. Not taking in anybody.
    In fact it is the Germanic enclaves throughout the world that should be receiving fresh blood.
    Unless a National government can repatriate the foreign element and restore the ethnic German birthrate, German future politics will revert to the level of Serbia, Kosovo Balkan impotence. Or the Chechnya, Ossetia, Caucasus type of mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    Germans should be expanding and having large families and sending emigrants abroad to Canada and Australia. Not taking in anybody.
    In fact it is the Germanic enclaves throughout the world that should be receiving fresh blood.
    Unless a National government can repatriate the foreign element and restore the ethnic German birthrate, German future politics will revert to the level of Serbia, Kosovo Balkan impotence. Or the Chechnya, Ossetia, Caucasus type of mess.
    That's easy to say, but it's not as easy to leave everything behind and start anew in a different country, I've to say.

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