View Poll Results: Can Colonials uphold more than one Celto-Germanic tradition at a time?

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Thread: Can Colonials Uphold More Than One Celto-Germanic Tradition at a Time?

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    Canada seems to be overlooked, or taken for granted. Canada is schizophrenic when it comes to identity. Until Quebec and bilingualism are abolished, I'll always view Canada as the Normandy to America's England. I'd much rather live with Dutch and Swedish folks, than foo foo Onion Johnnies. It's hard to appreciate the Boers, with Bantustanis running wild. How is sharing Kiwiland with the Polynesians any less multikulti? I have respect only for Australia. You should watch Paul Hogan's politically incorrect jokes in Crocodile Dundee. When I hear complaints about John Howard, I am certain of his Anglo-Saxon cool, his stiff upper lip. American colonial charters specified ENGLISH settlement and anyone else, aside from the Dutchmen and Swedes who came on their own terms, OWE their place to us. Since not even Scots were named in the 13 Colonies' foundational documentation, there's no reason to celebrate them or emulate them. The closest to that, is acknowledging the King of Great Britain who ruled over us, but even if the Carolinas and Georgia mention British, Carolina as a singular settlement to start with, before the Union, mentioned English, so Georgia was the only colony completely founded after the Union, yet part of South Carolina. The whole "Scotch-Irish" identity is a moronic joke. Nova Scotia is part of Canada...

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    America is an Anglo-Saxon state, so it's possible to be English simultaneously, no different than Australia being an Anglo-Saxon state and equal to Britain, even if Canada, New Zealand and Ireland have multiple personality disorders. There, you can be Anglo-Italic, Anglo-Austronesian or Anglo-Celtic. It's hard to quibble about Dutch and Swedish in America differentiating us from Norman and Danish, when the common factor is the Anglo-Saxon and the other two are elements of continuity rather than departure. Only Australia seems to not have any tribalistic individuation and is the truest melting pot. It's frustrating for Loyalists to share Canada with the French who were there first, or else retreat to America where Cromwell remains supreme, but is Anglo-Saxon. We're not allowed to have our cake and eat it too. Same with the French, whose homeland is a republic and Haiti is their only Francophone option in the Western Atlantic, if they were of a mind that Louisiana isn't good enough either.

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    I give no credit to "German" American flag wavers. German culture might be compatible with Americans since America was founded as a multicultural country, but American culture is incompatible with Germans since we are a nation-state, and not a state of many nations. German nationalists don't accept German Jews and German Turks, so we don't accept German Americans either. I only give credit to those Germans from the US who make the effort to be wholly German and renounce waving American flags. As a proverb goes, "friend to all is friend to none". Those who are "loyal" to more than one nation are loyal to none.
    You say this even though Germany has historically been the site of more flags than any other country in Europe until Unification. Quit the reefer madness with comparisons to Ashkenazim and Turks, since this tradition of multiplex heritage is a direct descendant of German federalism originally holding together more states than those 50 of the Union. Britishness implies unitary government, but the multiculturalism of the Kingdom is far less in pure respect for the lack of space for so many competing elements. In the process of colonising America, no special concern was reserved for the original inhabitants of Manhattan, but prospective settlers were always meant to accommodate their bloodstock for future endeavours and thus, reinforce the Germanic roots of our Anglo-Saxon state.

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    I didn't debate whether Americans are partially of "German stock" or not. Heidi Klum and Seal's baby is also partially of "German stock". So what? Being German is not just about having some German ancestors. I couldn't care less about your new identities, native Germans define what is and what isn't part of their nation. Americans are a lost cause to me, so as long as they stay out of German business it's equal to me whether they forge a new identity or become identity-less. But the moment an American claims he or other Americans can be German and American at the same time, it's ridiculous. Native Germans also don't ask Americans who want to be German whether they are fine with their rejection or not, they simply reject them.
    Maybe Transylvanians, Prussians and Volgans are lost causes as the citizens of other countries, prone as they are to rejection by their hosts and lost down the cracks between worlds? Do Amish not owe the English everything? Why shouldn't any and all enclaves surrender, rather than squat? At least it can be said that America and Australia are to Britain what Austria and Liechtenstein are to Germany; both are a set of states in which the same ethnos live separate lives.

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    Germans who keep German are not Americans and not a lost cause. Germans have lived in foreign countries for centuries. If they managed to keep German in Czechoslovakia, Russia, Romania, Hungary and other countries, they could do it in the USA too. Hell, they even do it in Togo. But it's not something that's done after n generations and after ethnic mongrelisation. If a German immigrates to the US and decides to be an American and not teach his language and culture to his children, then he is a traitor and ceases to be German. So do his descendents.
    Well, all Germanics are welcome to bask in the glowing limelight of Anglo-Saxon Americana in the same way that various Teutons were born Goths and died Franks, for instance. These are just two folks from one group anyway; whether they recombine or move away from one another. It's not treason for cohabitation instead of amalgamation or vice versa inside of Germania. Repudiation as if either is Negrification is uncalled for.

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