View Poll Results: Can Colonials uphold more than one Celto-Germanic tradition at a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    The ironic thing here is that I don't see anyone asking for your acceptance. I neither need nor seek the approval of anyone to know myself, know where I come from and know which direction I would like to see my folk here in the New World travel in.

    I don't pretend to be a German but there is no debating that I am (partially) of German stock. There is nothing that you can do or say to cancel this fact.

    New identities were forged here from similar and kindred peoples, identities that are of value and worthy of preservation and continuity. At leas they are in our eyes and that is what is most important to us, not the opinion of some German 5000 miles away.
    Yeah, those are pretty much the sentiments of many colonial Europeans.
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    What would you define as 'upholding a tradition'? What does it mean in practicality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    The ironic thing here is that I don't see anyone asking for your acceptance. I neither need nor seek the approval of anyone to know myself, know where I come from and know which direction I would like to see my folk here in the New World travel in.

    I don't pretend to be a German but there is no debating that I am (partially) of German stock. There is nothing that you can do or say to cancel this fact.

    New identities were forged here from similar and kindred peoples, identities that are of value and worthy of preservation and continuity. At leas they are in our eyes and that is what is most important to us, not the opinion of some German 5000 miles away.
    I didn't debate whether Americans are partially of "German stock" or not. Heidi Klum and Seal's baby is also partially of "German stock". So what? Being German is not just about having some German ancestors. I couldn't care less about your new identities, native Germans define what is and what isn't part of their nation. Americans are a lost cause to me, so as long as they stay out of German business it's equal to me whether they forge a new identity or become identity-less. But the moment an American claims he or other Americans can be German and American at the same time, it's ridiculous. Native Germans also don't ask Americans who want to be German whether they are fine with their rejection or not, they simply reject them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Americans are a lost cause to me, so as long as they stay out of German business it's equal to me whether they forge a new identity or become identity-less.
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    I only give credit to those Germans from the US who make the effort to be wholly German and renounce waving American flags.
    Why give credit to a lost cause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlíNanGael View Post
    Why give credit to a lost cause?
    Germans who keep German are not Americans and not a lost cause. Germans have lived in foreign countries for centuries. If they managed to keep German in Czechoslovakia, Russia, Romania, Hungary and other countries, they could do it in the USA too. Hell, they even do it in Togo. But it's not something that's done after n generations and after ethnic mongrelisation. If a German immigrates to the US and decides to be an American and not teach his language and culture to his children, then he is a traitor and ceases to be German. So do his descendents.

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    For Ossi,

    Unless my memory fails me, I made this thread for the benefit of colonials, being all too aware of the differences between us and Europeans.

    But for all the antagonistic attitudes present in your last couple of remarks, you would've been welcome with your opinions.

    From where I sit, you don't ever seem to have anything noteworthy to say about "Us", so I can only wonder as to why you bother to say anything at all, apart from just the enjoyment of antagonising!

    Another observation I have noticed is that because you are ignorant to "Our" new world ideology, you simply don't have anything better to say.

    I think some of us have already made it quite clear our feelings on this matter.
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    Germanic? Sure... But German? Certainty not! At least the last time someone spoke fluent German, was a Great Grandfather and even than it wasn't his primary tongue.


    What must the continentals think? Going by patrilineal descent, I'm a mix of Norwegian, Scottish, Swedish, German and Ruthenian, and maybe a little bit of French (my ancestors had lived in a Francophone region, as Anglophones.)



    Most Continentals would quickly point out that I'm "Mixed" (Though ironically by American standards, I'm unmixed. ) and call me a pot of cheese.


    But I have no identity crisis. I identify as being Anglo-Saxon. And I don't identify as being ''White''. Mainly because I have little in common with these Roman Catholic, Southern Italians, city rats, who had been converging on America en masse since the 1950's.
    (That's my criticism of White Nationalism in general. Most of them would support Bulgarians and Albanians to emmigrate and marry with our people. Not a whole lot different than the ''Multi-Culturalists")

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    This kind of reminds me of those American movies about Anglo-Jewish families that celebrate Chrismukkah to reconcile all traditions from all sides. It looks artificial, incompatible, and, to be honest, ridiculous. I think we are better off upholding one identity.

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    Interesting question. One I have thought about before especially since my personal belief is that cultures should be dynamic, not static. So, I vote no upon the grounds that it was not the interest of those who emigrated to preserve the 'old'. This also leads me to conclude, a vast divide must have existed in the mindset of those who stayed in the motherland and those who left for colonies. This divide is clear since millions of Germanic immigrants have come to the new lands and are still continuing to leave Europe for the U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand

    This begs to ask the question, why? What is it that caused some to leave and some to stay. There was hardly an alien presence in Europe at the time and the European states were for the most part homogeneous, yet many left and are continuing to leave. Of those who did, within a few generations they assimilated into the majority.

    History books say they left primarily for the following reasons. Opportunity, and to escape both political and religious limitations. In order to agree with this, then we must accept that in Europe, the economic climate was bleak and the various nation states were moving towards authoritarian rule. This was in stark contrast to the new world where the old Germanic ideal of limited government was being revived. This would certainly appeal to those who were witness to the restrictive effects of Statism and Catholicism that was engulfing Europe.

    So it is not far fetched to say that these immigrants who left the old world for the new world did so in protest. It also stands to reason that a people who left in protest at what the old world had become would have no interest in passing that culture on to their descendants and for the most part they didn't. Instead they saw themselves, from that time on, as part of a new culture, or as Allenson so accurately illustrated they 'forged a new identity.'

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    The USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa, are Germanic lands. Therefore I believe it is our duty to preserve Germanic heritage. For Americans, this revolves around the white Anglo-Saxon culture, but German and Scandinavian elements have blended in too. I believe one of the most important values we must preserve is freedom. That is why our forefathers came here and built this nation.


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