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Thread: Can Colonials Uphold More Than One Celto-Germanic Tradition at a Time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    I can't attempt to juggle the various strains of my ancestry any more than I can to pick only one to focus on. Both seem rather shallow and arbitrary to me.
    Exactly. It's like asking someone from a European nation to pick one of the smaller tribal communities that were once separated and identify exclusively with them. That's just not how ethnic identities work; they constantly change, whether its through new social experiences or new genetic influences...

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    The gap between the various Germanic and Celtic ethnic groups is a reality, but that should not suggest it is in any manner equal to that which exists between Germanics and Negroes, for example. The two groups have co-existed in neighbouring regions of Europe for a millenia, there has been extensive inter-breeding (especially as West Germanics [ie: English, Germans, Dutch, etc.] are concerned), and, as both Europe and the Colonies have provided numerous example of, our cultures are, at the very least, compatible.

    The United States and other Colonial lands are the products of Celtogermanic exploration, settlement, and development. While I am making no concrete assertion on the matter, my personal definition of an American, Canadian, Australian, or other Colonial is an individual hailing from the same ethnic stock as the original settlers of these lands. It is both helpful and essential to mention that, with the exception of early Iberian migrants in southern North America, these original inhabitants were of exclusively Germanic, Celtic, and Celtogermanic blood. To this day, our government, laws, customs, societal structure, and so on, continue to, for the most part, parallel that of our ancestral homelands. It is inevitable that, after so many centuries of separation, certain Colonists will forge unique identities, but that is merely a variation of the broader culture of their ancestors.

    The nations under consideration remained relatively homogeneous in terms of ethnicity until the turn of the last century. While it is true that, at this time, waves of Italians, Jews, and various Slavic groups began arriving en masse, these intruders have proven mostly inconsequential to the culture and ethnicity of old-stock Colonials, and their more recently-arrived parallels from north-western Europe. It seems evident that certain individuals, both in this thread and elsewhere, are over-emphasizing the impact that the aforementioned intruders have had on the various aspects of Colonial identity. Though we are under increasing occupation from Hispanics, Africans, and Asians, in addition to the alien Europeans I listed above, the fact that the history, culture, and general ethnic constitution of the Colonies continues to reflect their Celtogermanic heritage is undeniable. Stripping the applicable Americans of their true identity simply because nefarious and corrupt governments have permitted the large-scale settlement of other ethnicities and races is both unfair and ludicrous.

    One could fairly argue that a "Celtogermanic" Colonial of largely mixed origins, be it in an ethnic or racial sense, has forfeited their ability to claim practice or maintenance of one particular aspect of their heritage, but such individuals are utterly insignificant in proportion to those who have remained more or less ethnically homogeneous. Colonial nations have not relinquished their true identity for simply permitting the entrance of ethnicities and races not in line with the original settlers, and to claim such is a laughable examble of hatred and bias. Those of old-stock ancestry are, in this case, victims of circumstances. Therefore, simply by continuing to live their lives in a usual manner, and with the customs and legacy of their ancestors in mind, Colonials retain the culture pertinent to their ethnic origins. As our survival as a wider ethnic group is concerned, what is in our blood is far more significant than some vague aspect of culture. The latter is proving a tool of division between our people, instead of a mechanism for unity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTrueLoyalist View Post
    While it is true that, at this time, waves of Italians, Jews, and various Slavic groups began arriving en masse, these intruders have proven mostly inconsequential to the culture and ethnicity of old-stock Colonials, and their more recently-arrived parallels from north-western Europe.
    This might be a semantic trifle, but technically these groups weren't 'intruders'; they arrived in accordance with the law.

    Secondly, in what sense did their arrival prove 'inconsequential' to the culture/ethnicity of Old Stock Americans? Clearly, the mass immigration of these relatively more dissimilar types had a considerable impact on the cultural identity of the Old Stock. After they arrived, it became more and more difficult to speak of a cohesive 'Nordic-American' identity, even though this was clearly the direction America was taking prior to this new influx. This was mentioned specifically by some of the Senators in the Congressional debates on the Immigration Bill of 1924, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    It's like asking someone from a European nation to pick one of the smaller tribal communities that were once separated and identify exclusively with them.
    Tribal and Ethnical Heritage can't be compared. I don't mind Americans who can't or won't identify with one Ethnicity. Most Americans have various Ethnicites. And if one of them who has f.e. 3,4 or 5 Ethnicites says "I am a <put in any of his Ethnicity>." instead of saying that he's American while his Family lives in the USA since a few Generations is just false.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    This might be a semantic trifle, but technically these groups weren't 'intruders'; they arrived in accordance with the law.
    Of course, and I made that clear. However, that doesn't legitimize their presence here in the eyes of those concerned with the preservation of either their race or nation.

    Secondly, in what sense did their arrival prove 'inconsequential' to the culture/ethnicity of Old Stock Americans? Clearly, the mass immigration of these relatively more dissimilar types had a considerable impact on the cultural identity of the Old Stock. After they arrived, it became more and more difficult to speak of a cohesive 'Nordic-American' identity, even though this was clearly the direction America was taking prior to this new influx. This was mentioned specifically by some of the Senators in the Congressional debates on the Immigration Bill of 1924, after all.
    Have old-stock Colonials begun assuming the cultural practices of the newcomers in overwhelming numbers? Have they inter-bred with them in a manner significant enough to erase their ethnic identity? No; the majority of the original American people retain both their blood and customs present before the arrival of foreign groups. It's certainly now much more difficult to take steps to promote and preserve their identity, as the prevailing attitude of the liberal, politically-correct establishment is to suppress this legacy, but it has not yet brought about the downfall of racial and cultural integrity. When we begin speaking Spanish, converting to Catholicism, wearing hijabs, and eating with chopsticks in overwhelming numbers, then I'll accept the consequential nature of this foreign invasion.

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    The complexity of the situation makes it difficult to generalize. What I do know is the situation shouldn't be glorified or encouraged. It's just a lesser form of multiculturalism in my opinion.

    3 out of my 4 grandparents are/were "new" Americans, and to be honest I resent them in a way for leaving their country and denying their children and grandchildren their heritage and culture, something they definitely had a right to.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneTrueLoyalist View Post
    When we begin speaking Spanish, converting to Catholicism, wearing hijabs, and eating with chopsticks in overwhelming numbers, then I'll accept the consequential nature of this foreign invasion.
    The majority of Canadians are already Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    According to the definition that you yourself have provided from 'elementary political science', England doesn't qualify as a nation in its current form; it doesn't possess a common ethnicity, as it has plenty of non-Europids from all around the globe. It's obvious that it wasn't ethnically heterogeneous until very recently, but nevertheless it currently isn't a legitimate 'nation' based on elementary political science.
    -_- Britain the state posesses lots of lovely non-Europids, I don't see Britain and England as the same sort of entity. Besides that a lot of our lovely non-Europid friends don't consider themselves really English but British (i.e. belonging to a state but not a nation).

    You're mistaking the two, perhaps?

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    The majority of Canadians are already Catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    I doubt it.
    Whether or not they're practicing may be a different story (which I'm sure could also be applied to Protestants), but according to your census, the majority identify as Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    -_- Britain the state posesses lots of lovely non-Europids, I don't see Britain and England as the same sort of entity.
    I don't either; I wasn't trying to state that they were.


    Besides that a lot of our lovely non-Europid friends don't consider themselves really English but British (i.e. belonging to a state but not a nation).
    Perhaps some don't, but do you really believe that this applies to all of them? I remember an article awhile back from a recent Jamaican immigrant who believed 100% in her 'Englishness'. Furthermore, do you think most native English people would openly say that they don't consider someone like her truly 'English'? Based on my own observations from my time in England, somehow I find the idea that they would a little difficult to believe.


    You're mistaking the two, perhaps?
    I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brynhild View Post
    Do you believe that it is - or isn't - possible to uphold the values and culture of all the separate ethnicities that are within the Germanic framework?
    Values of different Germanic ethnicities don't clash with one another to make maintaining the values impossible. Culture, on the other hand is different. You cannot maintain multiple cultural identities and traditions at once without having some inner chaos. Choose a side and identify thus, whatever is seemingly dominant in you.

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