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    Russia Back to Normal

    Fifteen years after the fall of communism, Russia is reverting to patterns of behavior characteristic of the Soviet Union. This is reflected in foreign policy, in domestic policy and in the realm of ideas.
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    In addition to a retrograde foreign and domestic policy, the Russian regime has made efforts to develop a new ideology marked by firm anti-Westernism, Russian nationalism, and authoritarianism. Leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church, which has become a pillar of the regime, have denied the universal validity of human rights and have endorsed Putinism wholeheartedly. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has declared Russia’s neutrality in what he calls “The West’s supposedly-inevitable conflict with Islamic civilization.” At the same time, Alexander Solzhenitsyn--curiously a strong supporter of the Putin regime--has equated human rights with the “right” of a caveman to “snatch a piece of meat from his neighbor or hit him over the head.”

    The danger of these developments is that they are capable of defining a durable system of anti-Western authoritarian rule in Russia.
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    Russia has gone back to these ways because that is the character of the Russian People. And of their aggressive, anti-Germanic, imperialist leaders. It has always been that way for centuries.

    It is the same why the Germans, after ruin in WWII, became a strong economy so quickly. It is because of the character of the German[ic] People. Even "East" Germany became the pearl of the communist-bloc economies [even after Russians looted half the country as "reparation"], because of the character of the German People.

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    The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.
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    I don't think it is the character of the Russian people that has led to the current situation. I think it is a response to the western attitudes ( governments/business ) towards Russia since the fall of the soviet system.

    They have been raped by exposure to the forces of industrial western capitalism. They have large western forces in Afghanistan , the west pushing for new missile bases in the old eastern bloc countries , tell me who is the aggressor here ?

    The cold war was , in nearly all cases , a western capitalist war to gain power and wealth and control of resources and nationalism is a threat to that and so must be ( and was ) destroyed.

    The rise of Russian nationalism is an obvious and understandable reaction , imo. Poverty rates have boomed their ( and elsewhere in the former Eastern Bloc countries ) since their " introduction " into the western capitalist economic set up which was always going to be a rip off.

    People who have been ripped off react the same way whatever nationality they are................ it's not a Russian thing. The Germans did exactly the same thing after the ridiculous treaty of Versaille had ripped them off , wholly understandable imo.

    We are all being primed for the up and coming battles which will include conflict with both China and Russia and such articles are just part of a propaganda war to prepare us all for it. Put that tin hat on it will come in useful
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    The rise of Russian nationalism is an obvious and understandable reaction , imo. Poverty rates have boomed their ( and elsewhere in the former Eastern Bloc countries ) since their " introduction " into the western capitalist economic set up which was always going to be a rip off.
    Skhawk You speak very philosophically. This "understandable" anti-Germanic aggressive Russian Nationalism. Is it good for Us or is it bad for Us?

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    The modern Russian 'anti-western attitudes' mean they are opposed to enforced multiculturalism, globalism, and political correctness-basically, everything which poisons and corrupts our society, they object to such things poisoning and corrupting their society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    We are all being primed for the up and coming battles which will include conflict with both China and Russia and such articles are just part of a propaganda war to prepare us all for it. Put that tin hat on it will come in useful
    That is unfortunately the case.
    It would be amusing how many people who otherwise deride the mass media as run by liars and conspirators will lap up this sort of war-mongering. It would be, if it wasn't so depressing. Some people will always need a 'Hun' to go and fight. In the last half-century and a bit, Russia has served this purpose, but those who are lapping this up now would just as readily have subscribed to the same views regarding the Germans before 1914 and 1939. There's little difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jute View Post
    Skhawk You speak very philosophically. This "understandable" anti-Germanic aggressive Russian Nationalism. Is it good for Us or is it bad for Us?
    What is a resurgent Russia going to do to Germandom?!?

    Russia is a huge country with a large population and Great Power history. To frustrate her desire to assert herself once more is short-sighted. Russia will always be there, and should be worked with, not against.
    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    The modern Russian 'anti-western attitudes' mean they are opposed to enforced multiculturalism, globalism, and political correctness-basically, everything which poisons and corrupts our society, they object to such things poisoning and corrupting their society.
    I wish you were correct, and there is some slight hint of such thinking on a state level here, but amongst the general populace, there are still far too many youths who like to spray the foreign word 'RAP' on walls for some odd reason. eyes:

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    A resurgent Russia will encourage us to resurge.

    Really I do not have a problem with this nationalism or Chinese nationalism or Zionist nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    Some people will always need a 'Hun' to go and fight. In the last half-century and a bit, Russia has served this purpose
    Not without being founded on facts, though (military threats, nuclear annihilation, any bells ringing?). Btw, as far as Russia's concerned, the western (i.e. Germanic) world has been playing the part of the Devil for at least 600 years...

    To frustrate her desire to assert herself once more is short-sighted.
    Depends how close to Mike Tyson your definition of "frustration" is... To encourage or support her resurgence as a global predator, would be even more short-sighted.

    Russia will always be there, and should be worked with, not against.
    Unilateral "cooperation" is a contradiction in terms. Russian identity is to a large extent based and dependent on anti-western antagonism. When settling accounts, this fact also needs to be taken into consideration.

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    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has declared Russia’s neutrality in what he calls “The West’s supposedly-inevitable conflict with Islamic civilization.”
    Tjetenia, or however you spell it. But I can understand why they declare this, since how their goodwill towards America afther 9/11 has been abused. By estabeling permenant bases in stead of temporary one's in the countries North of Afghanistan. How they where treated over Kosovo. Understandable that the Russians would say things like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Not without being founded on facts, though (military threats, nuclear annihilation, any bells ringing?).

    Btw, as far as Russia's concerned, the western (i.e. Germanic) world has been playing the part of the Devil for at least 600 years...
    Off the top of my head:
    1400 - enemy - the Golden Horde

    1500 - enemy - the Khanate of Kazan

    1600 - enemy - the Recz Pospolitas of Litva-Polska, Sweden

    1700 - enemy - Sweden

    1800 - enemy - the Ottoman Empire, Republican and Imperial France

    1900 - enemy - Japan, Britain

    Maybe not immensely accurate, but gets the broad picture across.

    Russia has had plenty of things to worry about other than the Germanic west in its history. Occasionally it has rubbed the wrong way against Sweden, the Teutonic Order, Imperial and Nazi Germany, but those powers were not entirely innocent in prompting such violence either. There have been plenty of other times when Russians have fought alongside Germanics against other foes, Germanics often enlisting as mercenaries in Russian forces.
    Depends how close to Mike Tyson your definition of "frustration" is...
    Eh? :
    To encourage or support her resurgence as a global predator, would be even more short-sighted.
    Where will this predation occur?
    Unilateral "cooperation" is a contradiction in terms.
    True, but I'm not advocating that as such, rather standing against the promotion of another policy which involves little more than kneejerk reactions against anything Russia attempts to do in the world.
    Russian identity is to a large extent based and dependent on anti-western antagonism. When settling accounts, this fact also needs to be taken into consideration.
    Russian identity is based on Orthodoxy, ancient peasant culture with its skazki and byliny, living in a vast land of interminable winters and endless forests and bogs, Russian literature, food and drink, living in tower blocks but rushing off to the country dacha at any opportunity, picking mushrooms and wild strawberries, swimming in lakes and rivers. There's a tradition of repulsing the invader too, but what invader that is is largely up to the outsider to determine by invading the country!

    Do you support the so called West's actions against Russian interests in Abkhazia, Kosovo, Chechnya, the missile shield in eastern Europe, South Ossetia? If so why?
    How do any of these affairs affect our vital interests? How can any of them not be viewed as slapping Russia in the face merely for the sake of it? What good will be done in the long run by continually antagonising our biggest neighbour?

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