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    Greatest Armor Engagement

    I prefer the Battle of Kursk in 1943, what are your opinions on the greatest armored engagement of all time???:hands
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    Yes, it was amazing that we held on as long as we did, I once drew up a plan for an attack on a river city like Stalingrad. If I can find it ill post it...
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    I believe Stalingrad was lost through traffic congestion.
    Too much forces were sent from the southern front north towards the city.This was not needed at that time and simply added to the congestion.Also the direct attack on the city was delayed too long. An earlier direct attack once the front was broken would have met sparse opposition in the city.
    Blitzcrieg was slowed down.

    Next came a battle reminiscent of ww1.
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    The soviets were able to reinforce the city because of this delay,the army would not of met the immediate opposition and the whole city would of been captured,including the last remaining few hundred yards of embankment.
    Thus shutting off further reinforcement.

    Remember the germans nearly captured Zhukovs own command post,coming very close indeed.

    The whole eastern front was a very close run thing.
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    Word for Word of what your saying Leonidas sounds very familier, where did you read that?
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    I cant remember where i read it as it is the opinion of quite a few historians.

    However i recommend Basil Liddel Harts history of the secound world war.He simplyfies it all and has a real understanding of the logistics and tactical consequences of delay at the vital moment.

    He is my favourite ww2 historian and is not partisan.
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    Post Re: Greatest armor engagement

    Kursk: The Germans had a better battle plan and leadership but the Russians had lots of new T-34s and ground troops who knew how to fight against tanks. The Germans did not have Tigers yet and in the end the Soviets were willing to trade tank for tank with the Germans. The battle lasted three days in the heat of July. An interesting footnote is that both sides reported extensive UFO activity over the battle field. Nobody ever figured out what they were.

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    Post Re: Greatest armor engagement

    The North Africa Campaign was certainly of great historic moment.

    Despite the outcome, I believe that Rommel was by far superior to Montgomery as a commander.



    Quote Originally Posted by Erwin Rommel
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    Sweat saves blood, blood saves lives, and brains save both.


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    Discipline strengthens the mind so that it becomes impervious to the corroding influence of fear.
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    I was well beaten myself, and I am better for it.

    Of course, neither could hold a candle to Patton.



    Quote Originally Posted by George S. Patton, Jr.
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    Post Re: Greatest armor engagement

    look, you people need to stop finding excuses why russia was able to beat germany, it wasn't because if this german commander had done that, or if this german unit would have moved here, no.

    russia just outfought us completely. they had more will, more patriotism, not to mention more soldiers, more armour, and better weapons too (the t-34s and the katyusha rockets being the best of weapons of all nations).

    we totally underestimated the power of the russians, dismissing them as subhuman slavs, (even though they are just as superior as the germans being of the same nordic race) and we paid for it with our lives.

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    Post Re: Greatest armor engagement

    since i cannot edit my posts, i want to add that no matter what germany did, russia would have beaten her anyways.


    many people have commented that hitler guaranteed germany's loss by attacking russia too late in the summer, allowing the german troops less time to prepare for the brutal russian winter. well, new data tells us that this was not a strategic mistake; if hitler had invaded russia any earlier, his troops would have been bogged down in fields, as they would have not thawed yet due to the very late russian spring. the quality of roads and highways was really poor then, so hitler had to wait until the ground of his invasion route became hard and solid before starting.


    not only did russia have very find weapons and armour, she had very fine officers and generals, rokossovsky, zhukov, vassilyevsky, chuikov, vlasov(even though he betrayed Stain, he was instrumental in the defense of i forget which city, but i think it was Kiev).


    The russian army only lost ground to the germans in the beggining, because the inferior armenoid Stalin in all his wisdom decided to have a purge of the Red Army right before the war started, killing about 100,000 officers, who among them were then the most experienced in warfare and the finest officers of the Red Army that time.

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