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  • Pro-Israelism is incompatible with pro-Germanicism & European Nationalism.

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    Is Being Pro-Israel Contradictory to Being Pro-Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    Adopting a pro-Israel perspective can be reconciled with being pro-nationalism in Europe. It is a leap but it can be done.

    How? The Jews are opposed to nationalism among Europeans peoples, in Europe or the settler nations. What did Britain gain from awarding Palestine to the Jews for their own homeland. Or the US from supporting Israel for the last 60-years, support that without Israel couldn't survive. The only gratitude shown has been for the Jewish establishment (finance & media) to insist on the transformation of America into a pluralistic society for the protection of the Jews - monoethnic societies have always eventually expelled the Jews. The only benefit I can think of for supporting Israel is that it provides a homeland for Jews to immigrate to from the US. But we still have more Jews in the US then there are in Israel, many of them the descendents of holocaust () survivors who arrived after WWII. How could being pro-Israel ever translate to being pro-European Nationalism or pro-Germanic? The concepts are historically incompatible.

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    In my opinion, it is contradictory to being pro-Germanic. Israel bases itself on support from many Germanic countries, including Germany. Israel supports Holocaust policies in Germany which make Germans feel guilty for events they didn't even take part in. Besides Israel has discriminatory policies about marriage, immigration, but if Germany had them there would be complaints from Israel. Besides Israel is created on Palestine land so it is a state created through aggression, infringing on human rights.

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    The answer to this is simple: NO.

    Only being pro-Germanic is pro-Germanic.

    However, I do feel that we should encourage stability and nationalism in other nations, after we have dealt with our own, so as to contain internationalism.

    For Islamic countries this means encouraging secular nationalism, becaused Islam is anti-nationalist, like some forms of communism. For Israel this means encouraging secular AND religious nationalism.

    There are Zionist groups in Israel who are anti-Communist, anti-Capitalist, and I think that we should co-operate with them and with secular Arab nationalists against our common enemies:

    Islamic fundamentalism, Communist-Zionists, International Capitalists... etc.

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    I voted "Pro-Israelism is compatible with pro-Germanicism & European Nationalism."

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    Israel with its Jewish National Socialist politics, aka Zionism, is one of the most ungermanic and antigermanic states in the world. That should answer the question, I believe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Israel with its Jewish National Socialist politics, aka Zionism, is one of the most ungermanic and antigermanic states in the world. That should answer the question, I believe.
    Israel is, if anything, more towards the Stalinist end of the spectrum. If it were more NS the living conditions might be better for Jewish people living there.

    Zionism should be Jewish National Socialism, but unfortunately the debate was won early on by Marxist-oriented Zionists.

    Had men like Rabbi Meir Kahane and Ze'ev Jabotinsky before him won the debate, there would be more Jews in the world, more Jews in Israel and fewer Jews in New York and London!

    All you ever seem to say about Zionism is, 'Zionism is Jewish National Socialism'.

    You appear to me to be a mere demagogue who wishes to upset anti-Zionist morons into hating national socialism.

    I only hope that at some point you will find gainful employment!

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    As a Germanic I say we should not meddle in Middle Eastern, African, Arabian, Asian etc. matters, and not side with anyone there but care for our own problems. I do not see any benefit in supporting Israel, nor do I support it's destruction. In my opinion it is a perfect place to deport those annoying Jews that often promise to go there due to the rampant "anti-semitism" here, but never make their promise true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post

    How? The Jews are opposed to nationalism among Europeans peoples, in Europe or the settler nations. What did Britain gain from awarding Palestine to the Jews for their own homeland. Or the US from supporting Israel for the last 60-years, support that without Israel couldn't survive. The only gratitude shown has been for the Jewish establishment (finance & media) to insist on the transformation of America into a pluralistic society for the protection of the Jews - monoethnic societies have always eventually expelled the Jews. The only benefit I can think of for supporting Israel is that it provides a homeland for Jews to immigrate to from the US. But we still have more Jews in the US then there are in Israel, many of them the descendents of holocaust () survivors who arrived after WWII. How could being pro-Israel ever translate to being pro-European Nationalism or pro-Germanic? The concepts are historically incompatible.
    Britain's establishment made herself look better in the eyes of the world, paving the way for the total blame of the holocaust to be heaped upon Germany, when, in fact, Britain's EST was complicit.

    [and upon nationalism, rather than capitalism and socialism/communism]

    The US administration gets more out of the relationship than does little Israel. I reject the idea that Israel could not survive without US foreign aid, especially now! Israel should be free to pursue her own foreign and domestic policy, not that of the US establishment. This also goes for all the other countries which the American administration dictates to, including Britain, thank you very mucha!

    The Jewish people are as politically plural as any other people, if not more so, so when you speak of 'the Jews', as though the Jewish people as a whole have one set agenda, you are not being accurate.

    I am British. I am not a multiculturalist. I did not support the Iraq war.

    If you told me that 'the British' are, and did, I would disagree with you and would be offended.

    So why say these things about 'the Jews'?

    I would say that support for non-nationalist governments in Israel is anti-Germanic, but support for nationalism in Israel is not only pro-Germanic but good for nationalism in general.

    Thank you so much for your time. x

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    In the present day we may start discussing whether Israel is a lesser of two evils but that doesn't justify being pro-Israel in any way for any European (not just Germanics)...
    And don't forget it takes two to tango, so if they hadn't started all the s***-stirring in the middle east, then their islamic neighbours would not have been seeking for 'asylum' in our countries in the first place...

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    Israel, whatever.

    Support for the continued existence of Jews in Germanic nations is extremely anti-Germanic, as is advocacy of using Jewish-invented ideologies to govern a Germanic nation.
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