View Poll Results: Should all cultures be preserved

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Thread: Should All Cultures Be Preserved?

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    I think it is important that the various peoples of the world maintain their own traditional cultures in order to preserve their individual racial and cultural identities, and thus a psychological barrier between themselves and other peoples which discourages racial intermingling. When a people abandons its culture, they are invariably absorbed into a larger, more culturally dynamic group, as happened countless times with the people of Anatolia. And while it may have been acceptable for the ancient German tribe of the Quadi to have been absorbed into a larger German tribal confederacy, or even for the Baltic Prussi to have been absorbed by neighbouring German settlers; it would be less desirable for European and European Diasporan societies to assimilate non-European peoples who have relinquished their own cultures and ethnic identities. The American Negro is a good case in point. A black man from Boston Massachussets named Leroy St. James is in no way a European, and no matter how he may ape the culture of the white man, he cannot be what he is not, and his influence on the white mans' society is observably undesirable. Leroy has not had benefit of his own cultural heritage and thus must adopt the culture of his white hosts to their disadvantage.


    Also, colonialism is in its essence undesirable if the natives are encouraged to abandon their own cultures and are forcibly integrated into the invading society as happened in Australia with the Aboriginals. Colonialism always results in race mixing when the original inhabitants are permitted to remain within the society of the invader, as happened with the Greeks and indigenous Pelasgians of the Greek mainland, and the white man and native American in the US.

    I say to each man his own race and culture, and to each race and culture his own land. What do I care if the Peruvians would wish to revive the human sacrificial practices of their ancestors so long as they do this within their own society and to their own people, with adequate precautions being issued to the international tourist industry of course. The Nylund family from Stavanger might wish to reconsider their canoe trip through the Peruvian Amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    Like I said I'm indifferent as long as they keep it among themselves in their own countries, but why should theses cultural practices be preserved?
    Some cultures should be "preserved" in books.

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    I agree largely with Renwein's point. Cultures are not preserved simply because they 'deserve' to be preserved, or because they 'ought' to be. They are preserved the same way that individuals and nations are preserved -- through struggle and competition. If they don't keep pace, then they'll fall behind and perish, just as they should.

    The natural world couldn't care less whether or not certain people think a particular culture 'ought' to be preserved. Look at the bigger picture: already, the vast majority (upwards of 99&#37 of all species in the historical record of this planet have already vanished. They're gone forever, regardless if 'preservationists' think they should have been kept around because they 'look pretty' or are 'personally enriching'.

    Whatever can't last forever in the natural world, doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    If they don't keep pace, then they'll fall behind and perish, just as they should.
    This is the "appeal to nature."

    I believe people should decide what should and should not exist. "Nature" deserves no say in the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    This is the "appeal to nature."
    Not exactly, because I'm not using the term 'nature' in a loaded way. I'm not suggesting that the scenario is morally 'right' or justifiable solely on the grounds that it is 'natural'. Rightness has nothing to do with it.

    It's just a simple fact that survival is dependent on the creative response to environmental changes in the natural world. Organisms (and this includes non-physical organisms, like 'cultures') that fail to creatively respond will not succeed, and they really shouldn't considering the fact that life doesn't wait or pause for anyone or anything. So, when I say they 'shouldn't', that's not a moral statement, it's just an objective description of what takes place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    Organisms (and this includes non-physical organisms, like 'cultures') that fail to creatively respond will not succeed, and they really shouldn't considering the fact that life doesn't wait or pause for anyone or anything.
    You have made the same appeal again.
    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    So, when I say they 'shouldn't', that's not a moral statement, it's just an objective description of what takes place.
    No, it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    You have made the same appeal again.
    It's not an 'appeal'. I'm not making assertions; ever heard of a little theory called 'evolution'?


    No, it is not.
    Okay, then feel free to explain specifically how it's non-objective? How is stating that organisms who lack the ability to creatively adapt a moral statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    It's not an 'appeal'. I'm not making assertions...
    You made the following assertions:

    "If they don't keep pace, then they'll fall behind and perish, just as they should."

    "Organisms... that fail to creatively respond will not succeed, and they really shouldn't considering the fact that life doesn't wait or pause for anyone or anything."
    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    ...ever heard of a little theory called 'evolution'?
    It sounds familiar.
    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    ...feel free to explain specifically how it's non-objective?
    I shall try.

    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle
    Organisms... that fail to creatively respond will not succeed, and they really shouldn't considering the fact that life doesn't wait or pause for anyone or anything. So, when I say they 'shouldn't', ...it's just an objective description of what takes place.
    The statement "organisms that fail to creatively respond will not succeed, and they really shouldn't..." is not objective because it is not "of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers."
    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    How is stating that organisms who lack the ability to creatively adapt a moral statement?
    I suspect this question needs to be reworded.

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    I voted other because I personally like some cultures, like the American Indian cultures and the Japanese Samuri culture among some others. I find them interesting and in a way very honorable. They should do what they can to preserve their cultures, but no one should be made to feel they should help preserve anyone else's culture.
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    I've always went with this notion..

    The preservation of the Peoples of the North (typified by the Scandinavian/Germanic and Celtic peoples), and the furtherance of their continued evolution:

    Ours is an ancestral religion, one passed down to us from our forebears from ancient times and thus tailored to our unique makeup. Its spirit is inherent in us as a people. If the People of the North ceased to exist, Asatru would likewise no longer exist. It is our will that we not only survive, but thrive, and continue our upward evolution in the direction of the Infinite.

    All native religions spring from the unique collective soul of a particular people. Religions are not arbitrary or accidental; body, mind and spirit are all shaped by the evolutionary history of the group and are thus interrelated. Asatru is not just what we believe, it is what we are. Therefore, the survival and welfare of the Northern European peoples as a cultural and biological group is a religious imperative for the AFA.

    The belief that spirituality and ancestral heritage are related has nothing to do with notions of superiority. Asatru is not an excuse to look down on, much less to hate, members of any other race. On the contrary, we recognize the uniqueness and the value of all the different pieces that make up the human mosaic.

    http://runestone.org/declaration.htm
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