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    Post Vandals

    Who were they and where did they vanished? Does anyone have something about the subject?

    All I know is that they crossed into Africa and found a kingdom around 476 A.D.
    and that they provably were of Germanic origin.

    Attached map shows area of their kingdom.

    Do you think that in areas of today Algeria , Tunisia , Sardinia or Corsica
    there can be found a people wich ancestors are Vandals, or at least some genetic mark? How many numbers of Vandals have crossed into Africa?

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    Post Re: Vandals

    I've heard it claimed that the Vandals were the same as the Wends, and thus a West Slavic people. I'd be interested to hear as well any info on the Vandals.

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    Post Re: Vandals

    If I'm not mistaken, the Slavs make an appearance in Beowulf as 'the Wendols'.

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    Post Re: Vandals

    The vandals were one of the more amazing people of ancient times. At the time the huns invaded central europe the germanics could all understand each other and only slight dialects existed within so-called proto germanic. When the huns invaded the vandals took them selves upp and fled the huns. They went to spain via france and everywhere they went they had war with the people they met. They would rob the people so not to starve and when they left they would burn the houses, hence the word 'vandalism'.

    In spain they lived for a time and andalucia is derived from them. Catalonia again is derived from Gothislandia or the land of the Goths.

    The nation of 60 000 crossed the gibraltar straight after having worked for two years builing a fleet. As the had crossed they utterly subjugated the people they met and this germanic christian nation built a civilazation that would last about two centuries. Much like the vikings they would raid foriegn lands and so they pestered the romans who became irritated. After the fall of the rome Justintinous went with an army of 100 000 against the vandals, those who weren't killed were enslaved and assimilated into eastern roman empire and that was the end of the great vandals.
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    Exclamation Re: Vandals

    You make the very dubious connection between the Goths and Catalonia, in spite of that there is really very little resemblance between the two names, yet, at the same time, you blatantly overlook the very obvious similarity between the Vends (Wends) or Vendels and Vandals!


    Incredible arrogance and Germanic ethno-centrism!


    Not only the Goths were of Iranian and the Vandals of Slavic origin, but even the Suevis might have been Slavs; does not Suevi sound a lot like Slaveni or Sloveni? Eh?


    Check this page to learn more:


    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html




    PS - How come you spell Goths with a capital "G", but you don't spell Vandals with a capital "V"?

    Do you like Iranians more than Slavs perhaps?
    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    Post Re: Vandals

    The Goths did have a Germanic language though, so if they are Iranian... I'd like to know how that happened. Maybe you mean they are kin to the Alans/Ossetians (Scythians) ? You do know that the Romans settled Alans (Ossetians) in certain places in France, Hungary, Italy, and Spain?

    I'm sure the Vandals were Wends, a Slavic folk. But 'Suebi'? Their folklore says they are Celts. I think the genetic evidence suggests the same.. IOW, another Germanic/Celtic group.

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    Question Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontiersman
    The Goths did have a Germanic language though, so if they are Iranian... I'd like to know how that happened. Maybe you mean they are kin to the Alans/Ossetians (Scythians) ? You do know that the Romans settled Alans (Ossetians) in certain places in France, Hungary, Italy, and Spain?

    I'm sure the Vandals were Wends, a Slavic folk. But 'Suebi'? Their folklore says they are Celts. I think the genetic evidence suggests the same.. IOW, another Germanic/Celtic group.
    Actually, I'm pretty convinced that Serbs and Croats were Sarmatian ( Scythian Alan Iranian ) tribes that became Slavicized. Maybe there's a relation between the Serboi and the Suebi: one became Slavicized, the other maybe went through a different type of assimilation process.

    Alans were present in the medieval Serbia, known as Yass mercenaries who even became Serbian nobles ( but that's beside the point, since it happened a lot later ).

    Perhaps the name used for Alans in the Balkan area - the Yass... is in some way connected to the Yaziges ( another tribe who went into the Balkans ). Does anyone have some info about Yaziges?

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    Arrow Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Actually, I'm pretty convinced that Serbs and Croats were Sarmatian ( Scythian Alan Iranian ) tribes that became Slavicized. Maybe there's a relation between the Serboi and the Suebi: one became Slavicized, the other maybe went through a different type of assimilation process.

    Alans were present in the medieval Serbia, known as Yass mercenaries who even became Serbian nobles ( but that's beside the point, since it happened a lot later ).

    Perhaps the name used for Alans in the Balkan area - the Yass... is in some way connected to the Yaziges ( another tribe who went into the Balkans ). Does anyone have some info about Yaziges?


    "Awar" Croats were originally an Indo-Aryan tribe from the north-western part of the Indian subcontinent. The Serbs might have been of Indo-Scythian origin.

    But in any case, your claim is incorrect in that the Sarmatians were Iranians, but not really Alans per se; the latter were a separate Iranian people.

    I also think that there is a greater similarity between Suevi and Sloveni (or Slaveni) than Serbi. If you pronounce these names you will see what I mean.

    I think the Yaziges livedi in ancient times in what is now the big flat plain of central Hungary and Vojvodina. They were Iranians.


    About the link provided by "Vojvoda" - I think the (mis-?)information it provides serves more to confuse people, than inform.



    1) The "explanation" on the connection between the Vends and Vandals does not really explain anything. Typical example of what I mentioned above; "...the similarity of the names may be accidental" is a rather cynical and narrow-minded statement when one sees the clear Vend-Vendel-Vandal connection.


    2) The Polish name for Silesia has nothing to do with Silingi. It is Slask and is derived from an old Slavic word for a slow flowing river. Whoever coined the Latin name for the region (and they did it a long time after the Silingi disappeared) intentionally made it look similar to the name of this tribe in order to create a non-existent connection.


    3) Jordanes got it wrong. The Venedi and Sclaveni are not (and never were) two different branches of the Slavs, just two different names for Slavs used in different periods of time (the former in antiquity, the latter afterwards). The Antes were not even Slavs to begin with, but an Iranian people, perhaps a branch of the Alans.


    4) Masurians are not even a separate nationality, just Poles who settled in Masuria. One might also want to add that Kashubians and Slovincians are both really Pomeranians, so they're not really separate nationalities either.



    Check this page:


    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html



    Thus, neither Croats nor Serbs were really Alans, but a certain people known as the Rus were.
    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    Post Re: Vandals

    The Vandales were for sure Germanic. I read that the Vandales only contributed
    1% to the whole population of their empire in nortern Africa. Maybe anyone
    here can provide a genetic study which provides informations about
    "Germanic genes" like R1a in Northern Africa.

    http://www.namweb.com.na/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Vandals
    in German: http://www.kraeuter-und-gewuerze.de/Vandalen

    PS I strongly recommend to set Odin of Ossetia and his Slavo-centric crap
    on "ignore".

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