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    Apologizing Over Historical Events

    What's your opinion about this? Germans feeling guilty about the Holocaust and apologizing to descendants of Holocaust survivors, or Americans apologizing for the extermination of Indians. Should there be apologies? Under which circumstances?

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    I'm opposed to apologies. Take the case of the apology to the Japanese who were interned in camps in the US during WWII. After the apologies came the checks of $20,000 apiece for every living survivor. (That's a lot more then American & Europeans who were interned by the Japanese in Asia ever got.) The whole reason behind getting an apology for some historical wrong is to then get some sort of monetary restitution.

    Btw, we didn't exterminate the Indians. If we had why are there still so many of them?

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    Usually it's done by politicians who are pandering for votes or some other kind of personal gain. There's no point in apologizing unless you're sincere, and it's impossible to be sincere when it is forced by political pressure and you yourself have not committed the wrong.

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    I did a few times, but not recently. I've actually said "I'm sorry for what my immediate ancestors did," because sometimes I feel the sorrows of all the victims. Some have said to me "Don't worry, they were only trying to survive." I tell them they did more than "survive," they prospered. But I still get "forget it, it's not your problem."

    I realized, not too long ago, that everything that was done permitted me to come into existence. These people lost everything, but they were strong and America treated them well. My grandfather was not Gregory Peck in "Boys From Brazil," or Olivier in "Marathon Man." He lost. They didn't eat children, or own "lampshades." There are very few people I've ever discussed this with because it's something best left on a need-to-know basis: mine and their's. I will not curse what made me.

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    I am all for slave owners to apologize to slaves. I am even for reparations from slave owners to slaves here in America. All we have to do is create a time travel machine, nothing big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreis AnnA View Post
    I did a few times, but not recently. I've actually said "I'm sorry for what my immediate ancestors did," because sometimes I feel the sorrows of all the victims.
    What's the point? It doesn't change anything.

    Every race and ethnic group has been persecuted, and has done persecuting, sometime in history. My people were persecuted by the English and I remember people were trying to get the Queen to apologize for certain things. Why? What do we have to gain from this? The Queen wasn't even born then, and she or any English, personally, has never done anything to me or any member of my family.

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    I dont belive in the "sins of our fathers" if a person comes up to me whos great grandparents were slaves and wants me to say im sorry they are crazy. They were never slaves! Plus my family was not in America yet/were to poor to own them. We didnt put people into slavery so why should we aplogize. Just like "we" didnt kill the Native Americans. (I do belive they should get all the reservations tax cuts and such but just them)So I wont say hey sorry I attempted genocide on your people!

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    I think it's necessary to admit wrong in some cases... just because other people did it as well in the past doesn't mean it was ever right in the first place. Reparations and payments are mostly unnecessary, because if the offended party is only looking for an apology, money should be irrelevent in the matter. It is important to forgive (as the offended party) as well. My ancestors were too poor to afford slaves anyways so that's sort of irrelevent to me. ^^

    The problem is that we are too focused on money rather than human interaction...
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    No one should be held accountable for the wrong-doing of others. In most cases those who were victimised and those responsible are long dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash Voyager View Post
    No one should be held accountable for the wrong-doing of others. In most cases those who were victimised and those responsible are long dead.
    That's the theory and it's absolutely right.


    So the practice has to be:

    If I'm holding slaves, I will have to apologize.
    If a friend of mine holds slaves and I have direct advantage of it, although I could avoid that, I will have to apologize.

    But if my family had held slaves, my kinsmen had persecuted the jews or whatever, I won't ever have to excuse myself for that.
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