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Thread: Should "Degenerate Art" Be Banned?

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    Question Should "Degenerate Art" Be Banned?

    Degenerate art is the English translation of the German entartete Kunst, a term adopted by the Nazi regime in Germany to describe virtually all modern art. Such art was banned on the grounds that it was un-German or Jewish Bolshevist in nature, and those identified as degenerate artists were subjected to sanctions. These included being dismissed from teaching positions, being forbidden to exhibit or to sell their art, and in some cases being forbidden to produce art entirely.

    Degenerate Art was also the title of an exhibition, mounted by the Nazis in Munich in 1937, consisting of modernist artworks chaotically hung and accompanied by text labels deriding the art. Designed to inflame public opinion against modernism, the exhibition subsequently traveled to several other cities in Germany and Austria.

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    Listing of artists in the Entartete Kunst show at Munich, 1937

    * Jankel Adler
    * Ernst Barlach
    * Rudolf Bauer
    * Philipp Bauknecht
    * Otto Baum
    * Willi Baumeister
    * Herbert Bayer
    * Max Beckmann
    * Rudolf Belling
    * Paul Bindel
    * Theo Brün
    * Max Burchartz
    * Fritz Burger-Mühlfeld
    * Paul Camenisch
    * Heinrich Campendonk
    * Karl Caspar
    * Maria Caspar-Filser
    * Pol Cassel
    * Marc Chagall
    * Lovis Corinth
    * Heinrich Maria Davringhausen
    * Walter Dexel
    * Johannes Diesner
    * Otto Dix
    * Hans Christoph Drexel
    * Johannes Driesch
    * Heinrich Eberhard
    * Max Ernst
    * Hans Feibusch
    * Lyonel Feininger
    * Conrad Felixmüller
    * Otto Freundlich
    * Xaver Fuhr
    * Ludwig Gies
    * Werner Gilles
    * Otto Gleichmann
    * Rudolph Grossmann



    * George Grosz
    * Hans Grundig
    * Rudolf Haizmann
    * Raoul Hausmann
    * Guido Hebert
    * Erich Heckel
    * Wilhelm Heckrott
    * Jacoba van Heemskerck
    * Hans Siebert von Heister
    * Oswald Herzog
    * Werner Heuser
    * Heinrich Hoerle
    * Karl Hofer
    * Eugen Hoffmann
    * Johannes Itten
    * Alexej von Jawlensky
    * Eric Johanson
    * Hans Jürgen Kallmann
    * Wassily Kandinsky
    * Hanns Katz
    * Ernst Ludwig Kirchner
    * Paul Klee
    * Cesar Klein
    * Paul Kleinschmidt
    * Oskar Kokoschka
    * Otto Lange
    * Wilhelm Lehmbruck
    * El Lissitzky
    * Oskar Lüthy
    * Franz Marc
    * Gerhard Marcks
    * Ewald Mataré
    * Ludwig Meidner
    * Jean Metzinger
    * Constantin von Mitschke-Collande
    * Laszlo Moholy-Nagy
    * Margarethe (Marg) Moll



    * Oskar Moll
    * Johannes Molzahn
    * Piet Mondrian
    * Georg Muche
    * Otto Mueller
    * Erich(?) Nagel
    * Heinrich Nauen
    * Ernst Wilhelm Nay
    * Karel Niestrath
    * Emil Nolde
    * Otto Pankok
    * Max Pechstein
    * Max Peiffer-Watenphul
    * Hans Purrmann
    * Max Rauh
    * Hans Richter
    * Emy Röder
    * Christian Rohlfs
    * Edwin Scharff
    * Oskar Schlemmer
    * Rudolf Schlichter
    * Karl Schmidt-Rottluff
    * Werner Scholz
    * Lothar Schreyer
    * Otto Schubert
    * Kurt Schwitters
    * Lasar Segall
    * Friedrich Skade
    * Friedrich (Fritz) Stuckenberg
    * Paul Thalheimer
    * Johannes Tietz
    * Arnold Topp
    * Friedrich Vordemberge-Gildewart
    * Karl Völker
    * Christoph Voll
    * William Wauer
    * Gert Heinrich Wollheim

    Artistic movements condemned as degenerate

    * Dada
    * Cubism
    * Expressionism
    * Fauvism
    * Impressionism
    * New Objectivity
    * Surrealism
    * Bauhaus
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    What's your opinion? Is degenerate good or bad? Should it be banned? I have to say I like the work of some "degenerate" artists like Picasso and Van Gogh. In my opinion, "degenerate" art shouldn't be banned, people who don't like it can just boycott.

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    Of course not, is this question even worth asking? The National Socialists could just label artists they did not like/had a personal/political problem with as degenerate. The paranoia about Jews was so ridiculous that they banned the Fraktur and nearly destroyed Germanic heritage that way. If you fear something, ban it, was the National Socialist thinking.


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    I dont belive we should try and control art. Art in itself is not dangerous or hurtful to the adult mind.
    Maybe i just dont like censorship.
    Some modern art is horrible though, but just because i think its a terrible excuse for art doesnt mean ill agree with banning it.
    (plus my favorite artist was Dali for a long time)
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    Since most art is market driven, without the social imperatives once demanded by institutional/elite patrons, I think it should remain an unrestricted avenue of free expression. There aren't the academy and the atelier anymore, and the qualities we recognize in 'The Old Masters' is not reproducible. In those times, a talented child would be taken to a master, just as in an apprenticeship. His hands and muscles would literally develop and grow around the chalk, pen and brush.

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    Shocking filth is hung in public galleries, paid for by a public who, if ever they were given the chance of a free vote on it, would throw this rubbish in a skip where it belongs. How do you legislate for this, though? An interesting problem.
    I believe it's the same sort of problem we see in our modern politics - that there has come into being an 'artistic class' just as there is a 'political class'. There is no link to the Folk, no fresh air of sanity blowing into these institutions. But how this is to be fixed is ... an interesting problem.

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    I have no problem with the censorship of degenerate art nor censorship in general. What people consider "art" these days reveals alot about the state of our current culture.
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    I don't see the point in banning art really. The damage it is associated takes place in the mind of those who view it, the art alone is harmless. For example- Some people see 13 year old girls dresses like hookers on television, and say, "well i guess its okay that my 13 year old daughter wears thongs and trashy makeup." Others see it and say, "holy crap is society getting messed up!" Its just like guns or drugs or anything else people want to ban (and which can't be realistically-another point altogether) in that it can be detrimental or beneficial to society depending on the quality of the people involved with it. If someone is so mentally weak that being exposed to a piece of art will turn their life for the worse, the reality is that it likely would have ended up on that path soon anyway. Even the most degenerate art is naked truth, and whether we like it its reflective of the human condition and we can learn from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
    ISome people see 13 year old girls dresses like hookers on television, and say, "well i guess its okay that my 13 year old daughter wears thongs and trashy makeup." Others see it and say, "holy crap is society getting messed up!" ... If someone is so mentally weak that being exposed to a piece of art will turn their life for the worse, the reality is that it likely would have ended up on that path soon anyway.
    Such weak people are depressingly common, and we have to live among the results of their 'lifestyle choices'. Because of that, I favour a certain degree of chaperoning them and limiting what filth they are exposed to...
    Even the most degenerate art is naked truth,
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    No it shouldn't be banned, even though it's tat. The trouble is that in the UK "modern art", despite being loathed by most of the public, is propped up with huge sums of taxpayers money. There are a handful of artists who could make a lot of money in the free market, the rest have their wages paid by different museums competing with the aid of taxpayers' money to help artificially drive art prices, it's a joke.

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    Entartete Kunst

    I don't favour banning even the most degenerate art that I have seen. There are ways for the public to make their displeasure felt if a work of degenerate art offends the norms of public taste.

    If the work is displayed in a private gallery, resolve never to buy anything there. If it is displayed in a publicly-funded gallery, complain to the funding agency. If this doesn't work, then the majority probably isn't with you.So, look the other way.

    There is real trash displayed in both private and public galleries. It is there at least partly because somebody buys it. Or, it has received favourable reviews from the critics. Critics are talentless wannabes. Their opinions are worthless. Nonetheless, GOK why, they are influential.

    As long as there are buyers for Dreck, Dreck will be displayed.

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