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Thread: Should "Degenerate Art" Be Banned?

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    Entartete Kunst

    Let us also not forget that Hitler was an artist, a mediocre one, yet, not a wholly unsuccessful one. He supported himself for ten years by selling his paintings to tourists.

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    I was thinking about it while I posted the nature personifications thread. What is your view on digital art, fantasy art and other modern categories? Does it fit into the "degenerate art" category?

    Hmm, something like these for example:






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    What was considered Degenerate Art back in the 30s would probably classify as High Art if fabricated in 2009. That's actually how low we've fallen.

    The other month I read about an "artist" which works on sculptures made from human faeces and who assembles torture machines, not few of them in perverted machineries expected to give "otherworldly" orgasms. The name of the "artist" evades me but I was shocked to say the least.

    I have also seen a few paintings in restaurants etc. which portray naked people ... and not particularly artfully. Actually it becomes hard to decide whether they are practicing "tough, but ecstatic love" or whether the woman is just being raped. That's simply not art, that really is degenerate.

    I certainly don't mind Art to be strange and even horrifying ... if it is supposed to represent something horrifying. Other than this, I prefer art to be a good mixture between realistic, thought-provoking, metaphorical and leaving something to the observer's imagination. I don't like abstract stuff that much, unless it's "within reasonably use". I must mention that I especially rather like drawings as well, I know it sounds a little clichéd.

    Of the types mentioned as Degenerate Art back in the days, I would class some as degenerate, others as a type of High Art. Let me generally comment:

    • Dadaism: I actually find that to be fairly degenerate - no clear line and topic, strange mixtures, anyone could cut out parts from newspapers and write "dada" over it 500 times. No art in that.
    • Cubism: Too abstract. Nothing to relate to, really. The cubist masterworks that really say much and are appropriately so can be counted on one hand, the rest simply doesn't say much. Picasso only started to become half-tolerable again when he ditched Cubism (But never really did, I still consider most of his work fairly degenerate TBH).
    • Expressionism: There is no such thing as an Expressionist style per se. There are some good paintings (though most are indeed fairly degenerate), I must however admit that I have some liking to Expressionist Film. So Murnau was a gay, but hisNosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922) was genius. Expressionist architecture was again awful. In two minds, thus.
    • Fauvism: I simply don't like most of it. Matisse was awful. Too colourful and too unrealistic in colouring. Wouldn't call it degenerate though. Van Dongen's Woman with Large Hat (1906) could be called degenerate for its display of nudity but to be honest it's a masterwork for its obvious oxymoron and the colour combination.
    • Impressionism: Whoever labelled Impressionism as degenerate should be exhumed, then hanged, drawn and quartered, buried again, exhumed again and so on and so forth until only ash remains. Nuff said.
    • New Objectivity: Let's just say this largely Jewish-initiated movement should have better remained where it was in 1945 and not have been imitated countless times after the war. Not a fan at all, not particularly aesthetic. Largely, degenerate.
    • Surrealism: As far as the contradictory types are concerned, genius. When it becomes too abstract, almost terrifying and loses its wit, then indeed degenerate. Two-edged sword, really. Dalí's The Persistence of Memory for instance is genius, nonetheless.
    • Bauhaus: See New Objectivity.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Where to begin, most current modern art or abstract art is a product of leftist art professors and their lack of skill, talent and creativity. This kind of art is a scam. Gallery owners and art critics promote certain artist to increase the value of their art for investment purposes. It is much like insider trading.

    Degenerate Art or art for the sake of art is a load of bull.

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    Art is the reflection of human mind, sick mind will create sick art, and this sick art will format sick minds !

    So I think you get what I'm saying !

    Only fools think that they are free from what they see, what they eat, and what they do... A real aryan society must be based on High healthy Spiritual Values!

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    Here is an straightforward look at the requirements for fine art. Just like music, there are laws and guides that separate the noise from the symphony. Certainly this is what every artisan should strive for but can only reach when dead and buried.


    *************WARNING Not politically approved ****************

    It is enlightening to juxtapose "Fine Art" to "Modern Art" and to examine the fallacy of "The Emperor's New Clothes": The illusion of art created by so-called "art-cognoscenti", who are more interested in promoting the commercially hyped value of "Modern Art", than in the intrinsic beauty of "Fine Art".

    The following Criteria could be of help in defining "Fine Art" --- as opposed to Modern Art, Abstract Art, Primitive Art, Folk Art, and the many other art forms that are often included in the hierarchical concept of "Art":

    No Communication: No Art --- Art, including music, represents the direct communication of human emotions, without the assistance of explanatory comments in the nature of writing or other artifacts. Similar to the awe we feel when we are face to face with the beauty of nature, we can be moved through a whole array of powerful emotions when we listen to a Beethoven symphony. On the other hand, paint poured at random on a clean canvas might, at best, communicate the chaos, avarice or contempt in the mind of such an "artist". How can emotions be communicated if we cannot even discern which side of the painting is up.

    No Craftsmanship: No Art --- Many schoolchildren exhibit more craftsmanship in "chalkboard art" than is seen in most "Modern Art". It requires years of training and long periods of time to produce any object of value. Worthless junk can be produced by anyone, overnight.

    No Talent: No Art -- Only the spark of talent or genius can produce beauty and true art of lasting value. Just as rationality is the sine qua non for science, talent is the sine qua non for art. In the absence of this criterion, anybody could be trained to produce great Art. (Alas, since I am devoid of artistic talent, I will never be able to produce great works of art.)

    No Maturity: No Art -- The lapse of time is the filter that separates the wheat from the chaff: -- As an old Wine mellows with age, true art is confirmed by the lapse of time: If it has survived the critique of more than one hundred years, it may qualify as "art". The absurdities of the Picassos of this world will be swept into the dustbin of history, while the works of Rembrandt will continue to delight future generations of man. -- The Louvre does not display modern art, neither does the National Art Gallery of London. Picasso's most famous work, the Guernica, cannot be found in the Prado. There are no Van Goghs in the Louvre. The National Gallery (London) does not display any works produced in the 20th century. Grandma Moses' paintings are hidden in the basement of the National Art Gallery in Washington.


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    Condamning is useless

    Not only condemning is useless with Internet, digitalizing & E-Mail, but moreover it even led to the promotion !

    As an example just look the impact of small numeric camera (like as GSM option) in Muslim countries:
    http://www.redorbit.com/news/technol...ras/index.html

    Every guy is trying to collect photos of unveilled (or even in bikini on women only beach) woman.

    Better making promotion of "good" art, and buying it rather than making useless and sometimes illogical (*) censureship.

    (*) just because of jewish religion, of the author, Nazi removed the whole artwork, I suppose without checking it.
    What if the artist actually created artwork linked to the Germanic/Norse culture or History ?
    For example, there was an lot of Jews in the Kaïser troops in 1st WW didn't you know ?
    Should their memory, testimony be destructed just because they were circoncized ?

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    I'm not sure banning degenerate art was a great idea. There are two ways to give something power: make it the default, or ban it. By banning it, you show it has some power and influence that you fear.

    Some of the 'degenerate artists' wouldn't be so popular today if their art hadn't been banned. The prohibition itself gave the art its 'value' through the perceived oppression. After nazism fell, everyone just wanted to use the values which it had rejected, and here we are now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guðrún View Post
    Some of the 'degenerate artists' wouldn't be so popular today if their art hadn't been banned.
    Most of their art wasn't banned, it was legal to own, "create" and sell degenerate "art".
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    The question is what is the intention of the artist. Why is it created as it is.

    Some try to shock and think that is art

    some try to create an effect and think that is art

    some want to show contradiction and what to start a thought process in the viewer

    some want to create something beautiful, something which eases one life

    some want to promote their own race

    some want to have a wild carefree lifestyle and try to finance it with 'art' which sells

    some want to express what is in themselves and what they have to deal with

    some want to show you something what you ordinarily dismiss as mundane, they try to increase your awareness

    some have a devotion for a religious subject and try to promote it through art

    some want to express the sickness of the world, like a loud outcry of pain

    some try to bann something in art what has an intensity, beauty and high energy

    some simply want to be famous and admired



    there are 1000s of reasons for art. Choose the one which speaks to your heart. It actually can educate you and give you something.

    I am against banning and against public funding. Art has its place. Try to produce it yourself then you understand much more.

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