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    Quote Originally Posted by theTasmanian View Post
    now if Zimbabwe had oil do you think the yanks would not be there in a flash!
    Only long enough to install an oligarchy

    they only pick on lesser powerful nations with oil hardly pushing the free democratic nation stuff is it
    Venezuela ? lol we could learn a lot about democracy from them.
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    It's hard to predict what Bush will do at this point, it depends on how much influence the neo-conservative zionists have in the administration. My guess is that all this posturing is aimed at making Iran think it will be attacked, and thus sucker them into thinking that a preemptive strike is their best option, similar to what was done to Japan and Germany before WWII.


    Quote Originally Posted by theTasmanian View Post
    they only pick on lesser powerful nations with oil hardly pushing the free democratic nation stuff is it
    Syria does not have oil, and is a frequent target of neoconservative rhetoric. Nigeria and Venezuela have oil, and are basically ignored by the US. Syria and Iran train and fund militant groups which oppose Israel, African and South American countries do not.
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    ah Israel

    why even help them..they are just arab's with a different name i dont see any need to help them

    leave the middle east to fight each other.....ah but the oil

    hmmm now why would militant groups hate America hmmm let me think :p
    Tasmanian twice the heads!!.......twice the intelligence!?

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    ah Israel

    why even help them..they are just arab's with a different name i dont see any need to help them
    Because jews put Israel first no matter what other country they are a citizen of. And in America they have great influence on foreign policy. Which is why Iraq was attacked and why Iran could possibly be attacked.
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    It is quite clear that certain countries are more at risk of American/NeoCon attention than others -- and there are several deciding factors. NeoCon - well, thats what gets said now - but even Obama said to the Israeli lobby - "Whatever it takes!" ( in the defence of Israel.)

    I'm not American , so I wouldn't know; maybe that's what one has to say to get oneself elected as a new President. That - and the support of the American Voters when it comes to it >. Time will tell....

    More pressing to anyone interested - or in the vicinity of Iran's nuclear facilities - is whether it will happen sometime soon. Skyhawk, it may just be prop-hype .... or it may be the controlled release of forward planning.... That's what we are trying to decide. On this issue , at least, it isnt a matter of mobilizing troops or setting them off amarching. Maybe later , who knows. For now, its just fueling up the jets and loading the bombs! Because they think that Iran , like Pakistan, is after the bomb ( -- for rather similar reasons it might be said....)... and perhaps because they think that of all nations, Iran might just , oneday, use it . Who knows...

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    US military chief to visit Israel for talks on Iran

    Jerusalem
    Telegraph 25/06/2008

    The head of America's armed forces will make a hastily-arranged visit to Israel this week, fuelling speculation about a possible Washington-sanctioned Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear programme.

    Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, will use a rest day during a planned tour of Europe to meet with his Israeli opposite number, Lieutenant General Gabi Ashkenazi.

    It is understood the rest day was to have been spent in Europe but at the last moment he decided to fly to Israel for talks, with the Iranian nuclear question at the top of the agenda.

    Adm Mullen last visited Israel in December - the first visit from a US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff in more than a decade.

    A second visit in such a short time, sources indicated, was a demonstration of the close relationship Adm Mullen had forged with Gen Ashkenazi.

    Israel is America's closest military ally and relations between the two sides are very close................

    Gen Ashkenazi himself is due in Washington for his own official visit within a month.

    Israel would require tacit US military approval for an attack on Iran, because America controls the Iraqi airspace which Israeli jets are likely to cross if they mount an assault.

    News of Adm Mullen's visit comes after American sources revealed Israel carried out a full rehearsal of an air assault on Iran's network of nuclear sites involving scores of strike aircraft flying long-range missions.

    While Israeli officials remained silent on the matter, sources in Washington at the Pentagon and other US government agencies confirmed the exercise staged in early June over the eastern Mediterranean.................

    The exercise came as US President George W Bush and Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, both used the same language in public to put pressure on Tehran, saying that a nuclear Iran was "unacceptable''.

    Speculation about a possible attack intensified this week when John Bolton, America's former ambassador to the United Nations, suggested Israel might attack between the presidential election on November 4 -- and the inauguration in January.
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    I doubt USA would like to engage in this moment in a war against Iran. Iran may not have a hell of an army, but they certainly have a better army than Iraq. USA is having headaches with Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries which have AK-47s as modern armament. Iran even develops indigenous fighter jets, it's a very big risk to go against them, even if USA wins that would be a pirrical victory. Notice that lately there are no news on North Korea's situation, I guess because North Korea has shown that they can withstand a couple of rounds... and they have China watching their back, so USA decided not to bother them by now. For the same reason there are no direct militar interventions in Venezuela, the CIA prefers to avoid another Pig's Bay.
    Israel would be more stupid if it starts an attack. They couldn't advance in Lebanon, what makes them think this time wil be diferent?. Mahmud is not dumb, I think he realised he's being teased to make him enter in action and appear as a bad guy.
    The problem with Mahmud is that he doesn't accept money to cancel his program. In Argentina until late '80s there awas a program to develop a mid-range ballistic misile (capable of carrying ABC warheads) together with Libia and with some German technical assistance. The program got cancelled in a blink of an eye when a pretty big amount of money appeared in the president's pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanseMacabre View Post
    Because jews put Israel first no matter what other country they are a citizen of. And in America they have great influence on foreign policy. Which is why Iraq was attacked and why Iran could possibly be attacked.
    that's it.....the Jews its funny i would have thought WWII would have made an impression on what happens when they stick their nose in other country's business

    if America used logic instead of so kind of racist passion for the Jewish as an excuse then they would pick their fights(if you could find a logical reason for one) in a better way and understand the need for stability in the country after the "war" is over

    Afghanistan will never be won the "we can beat any comers" is so well im bedded in their minds you would have to kill them all...now thats a problem
    and you would have to annoy Pakistan also as their northern parts are just as bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post

    Syria does not have oil, and is a frequent target of neoconservative rhetoric. Nigeria and Venezuela have oil, and are basically ignored by the US. Syria and Iran train and fund militant groups which oppose Israel, African and South American countries do not.
    A US intigated coup is ignoring Chavez? The only reason they haven't attacked Venezuela directly or by proxy yet is because they are too busy smashing up Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening Iran , Somalia , N Korea , Syria.
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    We trained the Taliban in the tactics they now use against our own troops

    Quote Originally Posted by DanseMacabre
    Because jews put Israel first no matter what other country they are a citizen of. And in America they have great influence on foreign policy. Which is why Iraq was attacked and why Iran could possibly be attacked.
    It is pushing the boat out , imo , to say that the Israel lobby had much to do with the sacking of Iraq. Iraq was destroyed ten years or more before the recent invasion and was not considered a danger by anyone in the region. That is purely about corporate gain and oil supply control ( pricing ).

    Iran would be a concern of the Israeli lobby , they are the only ones allowed to have nuclear weapons in the middle east and they don't want a Arab nuclear power. It would be too balanced and they couldn't get away with attacking their neighbours and destroying the Palestinians. But we shouldn't forget that the US regardless of the Israeli lobby wishes for control of Irans resource wealth and strategic position. They would much prefer a coup but that doesn't seem likely , so yeah an attack on Iran suits American/Israeli interests what anyone else thinks about it doesn't matter , just don't believe the benevolence hype
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    I'm not American , so I wouldn't know; maybe that's what one has to say to get oneself elected as a new President.
    It sure is!

    Even advocating "neutrality" gets you labeled as an 'anti-semite' and vilified in the media, as happened to Howard Dean in 2004 before he 'clarified' his 'mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by theTasmanian View Post
    that's it.....the Jews its funny i would have thought WWII would have made an impression on what happens when they stick their nose in other country's business
    Apparently, the impression the jews got from WWII, is "this is what happens when you have a country with a majority Germanic Christian conservative population", and have taken great efforts since then to ensure that any country is none of the above.

    Here is a quote from Earl Raab, an official with the ADL (the primary American Jewish advocacy group)

    "It was only after World War II that immigration law was drastically changed to eliminate such discrimination. In one of the first pieces of evidence of its political coming-of-age, the Jewish community has a leadership role in effecting those changes.

    The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country.

    We have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to ethnic bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever."
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It is pushing the boat out , imo , to say that the Israel lobby had much to do with the sacking of Iraq. Iraq was destroyed ten years or more before the recent invasion and was not considered a danger by anyone in the region. That is purely about corporate gain and oil supply control ( pricing ).

    Iran would be a concern of the Israeli lobby , they are the only ones allowed to have nuclear weapons in the middle east and they don't want a Arab nuclear power.....
    well actually Iraq was quite a power before the invasion. There was some concern that it might have been a lot more difficult to get in there. Iraq did have WMD - it depends on definition. They had Chemical, they had Biological; we know - because they used them both!! They also had rockets and a SuperGun - which was used to lob shells into Israel directly. One can easily imagine how the Israelis must have been worried about what might come next.... what almost certainly would have come next, if they had got round to it. But their time expired! Marxist analysis is shallow, Skyhawk! I agree, there weren't nuclear. But in Iran's case - this is not true; we know there is nuclear - we don't know the intention. But others think they do!

    And by the way, Iran isn't Arab. Some Arab states might quite like to see Iran pacified by limited military action.... if that is possible. Maybe it wont be --- but then , they will have nuclear --which could oneday end up almost anywhere!!!! Is that what you want ?

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