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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    So, all doctors are wrong, only vegans are right and everything else is a big meat-eating conspiracy?
    No, I'm merely pointing out that to go against the grain has always been met with overwhelming opposition. This is true for almost every grand controversy and scientific leap. Doctor's aren't wrong, they just succumb to the same natural inclination as the rest of us - to let their own moral and philosophical compass guide their decision making. The difference is that doctors are an authority and regularly make decisions for others on the basis that they know better. The problem is, even doctors aren't able to make completely objective decisions based on their medical knowledge. They are human and prone to letting their own feelings on a matter influence a decision. It would be the same as if a doctor were a non-drinker. They'd be more inclined to suggest giving up alcohol for the treatment of an ambiguous discomfort such as regular headaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorm the Old View Post
    Our dentition shows clearly what we are OMNIVORES. We are not herbivores. If we were we could graze in the fields or browse in the forests. Our teeth are suited for a mixed diet of meat and vegetable foods. Not only are we CAPABLE of subsisting on such a mixed diet. WE NEED TO.

    If, in order to be healthy, we need to supplement a Vegan diet with artificial mineral and vitamin supplements, then this is prima facie evidence that this diet is not adequate for our needs. This is not a natural diet for us.

    Partly, this is a matter of to what our bodies have become accustomed. At the age of 40, having begun to study Hinduism, I sought to become a vegetarian. I did not flourish. My body had had 40 years to become adapted to an omnivorous diet.

    Having studied the dentition of ancient animal species in Vertebrate Paleontology, I came to realise that we can infer the type of diet for which the animal is best suited by its distinctive dentition. An animal develops the kinds of teeth it needs for the kind of diet it needs. It's not that a herbivore CAN eat vegetation, it MUST. Given its distinctive dentition, a carnivore MUST eat meat.

    Misguided Vegans have starved cats to death by forcing them to eat a meat-free diet. Our omnivorous dentition, as I mentioned above does not merely PERMIT us to eat a mixed meat-and-veggies diet, it proves that that is what our bodies NEED.

    If I saw teeth like ours in the jaw of an extinct animal, I would not hesitate to say that it lived on a diet of meat and vegetable food, not merely that it COULD survive on such a diet, but that such a diet was NORMAL for it, AS IT IS FOR US !
    I feel the need to counter this outrageous post.

    Perhaps age forty was too late for Gorm..... as he had missed the vegetarian boat.

    So how does this add any weight to the idea that humans must eat meat? It does not.

    This is Gorm's personal opinion and, if anything, suggests that a vegetarian diet is preferable for health and it is not for him to visit his misfortune upon others by deliberate misdirection.

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    FiA;

    I respect your intelligence and knowledge, and the fact that you often bring new and fresh ideas and viewpoints into the discussions here.

    However, I have to object to the way you address Gorm. I know it's nothing but a matter of personal values and preferences, but to me a disrespectful attitude towards seniors is unacceptable.

    And, Gorm's point about about Homo Sapiens's teeth being designed for an omnivorous diet was exactly on the money afaIk.

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    eat what you crave in moderation, listen to your body.
    i on the other hand practice breatharianism. yes, i live on air and sunshine baby! what now vegans!? :p
    haha, yeah right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    I am lacto-veg for religious reasons and because I do not like the taste of meat and eggs.
    I believe the Hindu prohibition against beef-eating was generally a Brahmin response to a Buddhist and Jain stimulus. I find the latter sects to be rather um, "life-denying" to say the least.

    I personally would like to see the abolition of industrial factory farming slaughter, and a reversion to the old farm method.

    The ancient Vedics as a huge cattle culture (like the Irish for example) did eat beef in the past. As a matter of fact, a certain king (unfortunately, I forgot his name) slaughtered 21,000 cattle for a dinner party. I read it was common and perhaps even obligatory, for people to offer a beef dish to guests as a gesture of hospitality.

    How is there empirical evidence that chili, onions, garlic, and mushrooms alter the senses negatively?

    It's like how grains are prohibited for the one meal on Navratri because of a myth involving Brahma and an Asura... It's folk tradition.

    More pertinent however, I find that vegetarianism is a viable diet and that humans don't need any foreign supplements.

    For example, the Mongols lived on a diet of mare's milk and vegetables; as the empire expanded the nobility became avowed carnivores (not to mention gluttonous alcoholics) thus leading to health problems, infertility, and early death.

    Interestingly enough, the Mongols have the highest instance of any ethnic group of lactose intolerance... Why I have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    I just told you to what I was referring. It was a general rant like many other occasions, I have been reading a Savitri Devi book these days that says exactly the same things and I felt it like a really good occasion to exclaim enthusiastically about how much I agree!

    So, do they need to post in this thread specifically? They have expressed their opinions a millionth times already in this forum.
    You quoted what I said in your general rant, that animals serve the natural purpose of being eaten.

    Again, assumptions. I am not lecturing anyone. Why would I do that? People will always do what they do, I or anyone else cannot change others around us but we can still express our opinion, can we not?
    Your tone was a lecturing one:
    You want to eat animals? Go ahead, by all means. But please, PLEASE, do not present it in such a way that 'animals are made to be eaten', 'nature is made to serve us', etc.
    eyes:

    Besides, I really think these words 'hypocritical', 'traitors', etc, have been overused and overrated. Keep repeating something like that in everyday and every occasion, and it loses its value too.
    I only use them for those who deserve it.

    Is fish inferior to other animals in your mind? Maybe it's not as cute as a lamb or piglet? It doesn't matter if a fish suffer when it's killed? Or what is your justification? Why do you eat it, if not because nature designed it to be eaten by humans like you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X View Post

    For example, the Mongols lived on a diet of mare's milk and vegetables; as the empire expanded the nobility became avowed carnivores (not to mention gluttonous alcoholics) thus leading to health problems, infertility, and early death.

    That's strange, I always assumed that the Mongols had lived on nothing but meat and dairy products since time inmemorial (or so a Mongolian yoga instructor I used to know told me): you know; camel, horse, yak, etc. meat, usually marininated between your saddle and your horse's back. Mongols traditionally have no agriculture, and therefore no veggies in their diet.

    "Beer" made of fermented yak milk is another Mongolian "delicacy".

    As for what the causes of the downfall of the Mongol empire were, I do not know, but any modern empires should find out, methinks. After all, the Mongol empire was spread out over a larger territory, and lasted longer than any other empire in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    You quoted what I said in your general rant, that animals serve the natural purpose of being eaten.
    Look at the original post. I didn't quote your post, I quoted Cythraul's post. And this 'rant' had nothing to do with you, but you chose to make it your own business for obvious reasons.

    Is fish inferior to other animals in your mind? Maybe it's not as cute as a lamb or piglet? It doesn't matter if a fish suffer when it's killed? Or what is your justification? Why do you eat it, if not because nature designed it to be eaten by humans like you?
    Listen, Bärin.

    I eat what I eat for my own reasons and I'm not gonna sit here and explain to you why I do so. My own dietary habits are my own business and I don't see why I should owe any explanations to you or anyone else.

    The only thing I said in this thread that was addressing to you is when I asked you to mind your irony and be more polite in a conversation that concerns the dietary habits of people that are none of your business.
    It is you that entered this thread with comments such as 'vegans, lol', 'stupid ideology', etc.
    You could have just expressed your disagreement with arguments and civility just like everybody else has done here...Raven, Deary, Gorm, etc....but no, you had to be ironic and insulting and more so about a matter that was none of your business to begin with.

    P.S. I am done discussing this with you, it's obvious it's taking a turn that has nothing to do with the thread topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Is fish inferior to other animals in your mind? Maybe it's not as cute as a lamb or piglet? It doesn't matter if a fish suffer when it's killed?
    There is some truth in this however, I believe. I have heard from many "animal rightists" who would eat fish, poultry because the animals looked "less human" (in their own words).


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    I see "veganism" as a silly perspective. First, because most of the vegans I know don't eat meat, because they have too much emotional boundaries towards animals...
    I can understand this if someone wants to eat your own horse or "pet", but when it's about having a healthy nutrition I think wisdom should be more important than emotions. I also see a some kind of extremism in it since they only and only eat products that contain vegetables.
    It has been a tradition for endless times that humans ate meat as part of everyday diet. As a result of this the most healthy and strongest individuals were all parts of cultures that held meat as one of the most important elements of their diet. For example look at Indians. With the rise of Jainism and Buddhism meat was more and more excluded from their diet and the result of this you can see on modern Indian people, having a really badly evolved physical structure in their bodies.
    However in western societies there's also a psychological thing in it, like a some sort of "labeling". The most easy way to give an example is like this: when a vegan usually sees a nicely fried chicken, he/she sees the "cute, fluffy little" chicken in it, instead of seeing it as food or meat as it is, an important element of nutrition, that the body needs in order to evolve properly.
    I consider meat as an important element that completes daily nutrition, while it builds the organism strong and I don't think it should be excluded because of "excessive emotional boundaries".
    Honouring the animal world doesn't consists in not eating any meat at all, but taking from it only as much as you need. The fact that the human individual stands on the top of the food pyramid doesn't mean that it has no respect towards animals.
    The most ironical thing in all this is that the International Vegetarian Union was founded in Germany in 1908.

    (I do not want to offend any vegan with my post, I just stated my opinion.)

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