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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    Cats?! :eek: Is this for real? Sorry to disturb the discussion but I've never heard this before.... Vegans forcing their pets to adapt to their own diet? God this is absurd. Of all the vegans I know who have pets (even raw vegans for heaven's sake), they feed the pets meat as they're supposed to. Cats & dogs are carnivores, I thought that was common sense.

    Come on, let’s give the vegans some credit!

    From Now celebrity gossip:


    Meat free: Alicia SilverstoneAlicia Silverstone: My dogs don't fart because they're vegan
    Clueless actress says her mutts have a healthy diet

    Friday, 20 June 2008


    Alicia Silverstone says her dogs have a vegan diet, which stops them passing wind.

    The Clueless actress hasn't eaten meat or dairy products for a decade.

    'I really care about animals, there's so much unnecessary suffering going on.' she told The Graham Norton Show.

    'All four of my dogs are vegan, they don't fart any more! I eat delicious food but without cruelty.'

    But Alicia, 31, says her pooches have eaten meat.

    'If you're walking along the sidewalk in New York, people might give them meat because they don't know they're vegan,' she says.

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    Wow, this last one just shows that unfortunately, a lot of the celebrities and public figures promoting veganism and the like, simply don't have a clue. They just care how nice and holier-than-thou they appear in the public eye, nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachthimmel
    They just care how nice and holier-than-thou they appear in the public eye, nothing else.
    I don't think it's even that, it rather seems she's just plain stupid :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    I don't think it's even that, it rather seems she's just plain stupid :p
    or perhaps... clueless?
    People turn to poison as quick as lager turns to piss

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    Vegans... LOL. People who want to act morally superior and not hurt a single thing that comes from nature should just stop eating. Yeah, you'll starve, but think of all the animals and plants that will be "saved", if you don't eat them during an entire lifetime. eyes:
    I can understand if adults choose to follow this stupid ideology, but to force it on their kids? It's like a crime in my eyes. I love animals too, but pigs, chicken, cows and the like are made for eating. To fight against the torturous breeding today you have to protest in other ways. Spread the word. We socialists do it. Buy from rural or local animal raisers nearby. But let's get real, we aren't herbivores. And plants feel too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Vegans... LOL. ...
    I can understand if adults choose to follow this stupid ideology....
    Can't we have a discussion without unecessarily insulting people around here?

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    Damn. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to touch this thread again. I really am sick of this debate. You people have no idea how many times I've participated in it, so forgive me if my response is somewhat lackluster. Remember - I'm used to the vast majority of people questioning my dietary choice, and I'm used to being told I'm "wrong". The phrase "water off a duck's back" comes to mind.

    @ Deary:
    I don't care whether a person able to make an informed decision eats meat or not. My children will be vegan until they come to me one day and decide that they want to eat meat. I won't stand in their way if they do. For myself and my children I choose spiritual and ethical health as well as physical and mental health. I know a lot about nutrition and I know that it's actually quite easy to be a healthy person without eating animal products. My partner and I have a lot of experience. You can come at me with scientific facts about vegans lacking 'this' and vegans often suffering from 'that' but believe me, if I saw the point, I could list at least an equal amount of scientific facts pertaining to the contrary. So which side is lying? The struggling dairy industry has a vested interest in condemning veganism just as the vegan movement has a vested interest in condemning the effects of meat and dairy. I'd rather gather as much objective information about the nutritional requirements of the body and make my own mind up - and I have.

    My argument that we are natural meat-eaters yet thrive on a vegan diet is not flawed. Our bodies do not require meat, but particularly in a hunter-gatherer situation, meat is the only viable diet because it provides protein (and some other properties) more quickly. In short - meat is a more efficient diet. A carnivore would not be able to survive meat-free, but we are omnivores so by the very definition of the word, we survive on meat and/or plants.

    @ Cuchulain:
    Yes, good point. And one that I've had to address in many a debate. If I were to go to a restaurant in an unfamiliar town, or purchase a chocolate bar from a newsagent, or stop at a burger van at a leisure attraction for example - would I be able to know for sure that those products came from a 100% cruelty-free, drug-free, organic farm? No. So, I could be vegan in all instances except for when I cook my own food. This is possible - and I'm sure there are some people who live this way. I prefer to cut it out completely and gear my body and lifestyle up for a totally vegan diet. That's my choice and it's logical to me. Besides, like I said before, I'm doing perfectly well on a vegan diet .

    I know I'm not changing the world, and I'm not trying to. I don't preach, and avoid even discussing the issue unless someone challenges me with (often disrespectful) presumptions. I'm vegan because I can get into my bed at night content that I haven't knowingly contributed in any way to the suffering of animals. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else, I'm just the kind of person who likes a clean conscience. God knows it'd be easier if I could turn it off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I love animals too, but pigs, chicken, cows and the like are made for eating.
    Made by who? Don't worry - I'm not going to take offence to your statement that my ideology is stupid. Very few people know enough about veganism to make a worthy judgement about its merits or lack of. The world eats meat. Trying to suggest that it's unnecessary would be as dangerous as trying to tell the world that the planet is spherical.
    "If by being a racialist, you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man that believes one race is inherently superior to another in civilisation or capability of civilisation, then the answer is emphatically no." - Enoch Powell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I don't care whether a person able to make an informed decision eats meat or not. My children will be vegan until they come to me one day and decide that they want to eat meat. I won't stand in their way if they do.
    I knew a girl whose parents raised her as a vegetarian. She became anemic and suffered some other deficiencies. Her doctor advised her to eat meat, but she could never learn to keep it down. Thanks to her parents who forced their choices upon her, and risked her health in the process, she couldn't eat meat even if she wanted to.

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    I think individuals who's evolutionary path has been shaped by the northern latitudes are quite likely even more naturally designed for meat consumption than others, given that access to other sources of food was quite restricted during the winter months in that part of the world. Still, I'd bet that a through, diligent vegan is probably eating healthier than the average person in my country anyway. I don't think veganism is compatible with eating the healthiest diet possible, but no one really does that anyway (and most people who try are annoying as hell.) Ultimately its just a lifestyle choice, just like bacon/cigarettes/drinking/sloth/working with dangerous chemicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I'm vegan because I can get into my bed at night content that I haven't knowingly contributed in any way to the suffering of animals. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else, I'm just the kind of person who likes a clean conscience. God knows it'd be easier if I could turn it off.
    Are you sure nothing you consume is an animal product? Did you know some pharmaceutical products are made from animal components? Or how about glue? Anyway don't you feel guilty about contributing to killing plants? Plants have some level of awareness too, and they can feel pain, they're beings too, not objects.

    Made by who? Don't worry - I'm not going to take offence to your statement that my ideology is stupid. Very few people know enough about veganism to make a worthy judgement about its merits or lack of. The world eats meat. Trying to suggest that it's unnecessary would be as dangerous as trying to tell the world that the planet is spherical.
    Made by nature. Or do you really think that animals are made to die of old age in comfy and warm beds? eyes: Actually think about it, animals who live in the wild have an uglier death than farm animals. A wolf or a bear dpesn't think about a humane way of killing its prey, it doesn't care or have mercy, it just tears it apart. But we humans have the capacity to develop less painful methods to kill them. I have a very clean conscience by the way. I would feel guilty for torturing an animal, but for eating it, not really.

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