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    'If Euro Fails, So Will the Idea of European Union': Merkel

    In a dramatic appeal for Europeans to come together to address the common currency crisis, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned Thursday that if the euro collapses, so will the idea of European unity. She also described the current euro crisis as Europe's greatest test since the collapse of communism.
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    The European Union is in Bad Shape.

    The European Union is in bad shape. Not only is the common currency in a shambles and the economies of many member states moribund, but young Europeans no longer see how the EU helps them. Millions of them are taking to the streets to demand a future

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    Squabbles between Flemish and Walloons could bring down EU, warns Belgian king

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    King Albert II of Belgium has warned that over a year of political squabbling between Flemish and Walloons has threatened to break up his country and to endanger the future of the European Union.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...gian-king.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    The European Union is in bad shape. Not only is the common currency in a shambles and the economies of many member states moribund, but young Europeans no longer see how the EU helps them. Millions of them are taking to the streets to demand a future

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    The "European Union" Dosent Help them in any way.

    All it is, is a way to bind the Independent European Nations into one Centralized Unit so it can be used as a weapon to beat down enemys who they[Globalist] do not agree with.

    It is a repeat of what they have done here in the United States where they have taken a lose federation of independent states and converted it into an Imperialism for Global Control.

    And ultimately Trash Europe as they have Trashed Russia and now are Trashing the United States.

    Look out Europe! YOU are next!

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    Not only is the common currency in a shambles and the economies of many member states moribund, but young Europeans no longer see how the EU helps them. Millions of them are taking to the streets to demand a future
    I do hope the Europeans see the right reasons why the EU is no longer beneficial for all Europeans and Europe- MULTICULTURALISM!

    I hope they are marching to the effects of what multiculturalism has done to Europe and caused the effects of so many Europeans out of work!

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    ‘EU will see 100th anniversary’ but will never become a state – Juncker

    While the EU will never become the “United States of Europe,” the organization will live long enough to celebrate its 100th anniversary, despite all the current problems, President of the EU Commission Jean-Claude Juncker believes.
    Juncker spoke to German ZDF TV a day ahead of the 60th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome, which established the European Economic Community (EEC), and which itself led to the European Union.

    When asked by a reporter whether the bloc will live to see its 70th birthday, Juncker gave a rather optimistic response.

    “There will be a 100th anniversary of the European Union.”

    While acknowledging the advantages of the EU, some of its practices leave much to be desired, he noted, citing a significant lack of unity and solidarity among its members.

    “We are suffering from the fact that we are making decisions and these decisions are being inadequately implemented in some European countries,” Juncker said, adding that when “solidarity is declared,” what is in fact happening is just “navel-gazing” – particularly regarding the refugee influx into the EU, which peaked in 2015.

    The EU can overcome its difficulties only through close cooperation between member states, the EU Commission president believes.

    “During the refugee crisis, the Council of Ministers... adopted steps to act in solidarity. Some do not adhere to this decision. But that does not change the fact that solidarity is still a trend. One cannot leave Italy alone, Greece alone with the problems arising from the refugee influx. We have to deal with them together,” Juncker said.

    This approach, however, should not result in the total unification of Europe, as its true strength lies in its diversity, and unification might “kill Europe,” Juncker believes.

    “Anyone who wants to make a not recognizable ‘Mixtum Compositum’ from Europe has not understood anything about Europe, its diversity, its colors and its cultural wealth,” Junker said.

    EU integration does not have the ultimate goal of creating a “United States of Europe,” and “we will never experience the European Union becoming a state,” according to Juncker.

    The EU Commission president is also reluctant to accept new members into the union, as the EU should not be perceived as a way to “replace an Iron Curtain” in Eastern Europe.

    “My favorite scenario would be, that we make everything to 27,” Juncker stressed, referring to the decision last year of the UK to leave the bloc, which would leave a total of 27 states.

    Lack of unity on certain issues has been plaguing the EU for several years, as member states did not show much solidarity when confronted with serious problems like the economic crisis.

    The severe economic problems in Greece prompted the EU Commission to urge other member states to not turn “turn their backs” on the impoverished country, which has also been struggling to cope with the migrant influx.

    The open-border policy, advocated by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, has not always been well received by other member states. Last year’s plans to introduce a refugee admission quota system, based on the member state’s wealth and population – and favored by the EU Commission and Berlin – met staunch resistance from eastern member states, namely Hungary, Bulgaria, and Romania. Several top Hungarian officials even threatened to leave the bloc if the migrant-related policies were not changed.
    https://www.rt.com/news/382288-eu-anniversary-juncker/

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    “We are suffering from the fact that we are making decisions and these decisions are being inadequately implemented in some European countries,” Juncker said, adding that when “solidarity is declared,” what is in fact happening is just “navel-gazing” – particularly regarding the refugee influx into the EU, which peaked in 2015.
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    “During the refugee crisis, the Council of Ministers... adopted steps to act in solidarity. Some do not adhere to this decision. But that does not change the fact that solidarity is still a trend. One cannot leave Italy alone, Greece alone with the problems arising from the refugee influx. We have to deal with them together,” Juncker said.
    Well, enforcing your own border policies and not letting Frontex and NGOs "rescue" refugees a few hundred metres in front of the North African coast, would be helpful, so they don't get to Italy or Greece in the first place. Windbag.

    “Anyone who wants to make a not recognizable ‘Mixtum Compositum’ from Europe has not understood anything about Europe, its diversity, its colors and its cultural wealth,” Junker said.
    Ah, so he himself has not understood anything about Europe either, just like all his non-Europeans importing fellow politicians.
    "Man kann sich heute nicht in Gesellschaft um Deutschland bemühen; man muss es einsam tun wie ein Mensch, der mit seinem Buschmesser im Urwald Bresche schlägt und den nur die Hoffnung erhält, dass irgendwo im Dickicht andere an der gleichen Arbeit sind." - Ernst Jünger

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    Preparing For EU Collapse

    First of all, Brussels can no longer insist that this is an internal, domestic, Spanish issue, since Catalan president Puidgemont is in... Brussels. So are 4 members of his government.

    That moves decisions to be made about his situation from the Spanish legal system to its Belgian counterpart. And the two are not identical twins. Even if both countries are EU members. This may expose a very large European problem: the lack of equality among justice systems. Citizens of EU member countries are free to move and work across the Union, but they are subject to different laws and constitutions.

    The way the Spanish government tries to go after Puidgemont is exactly the same as the way Turkish president Erdogan tries to get to his perceived archenemy, Fethullah Gülen, a longtime resident of Pennsylvania. But the US doesn’t want to extradite Gülen, not even now Turkey arrests US embassy personnel. The Americans have had enough of Erdogan.

    Erdogan accuses Gülen of organizing a coup. Spanish PM Rajoy accuses the Catalan government of the same. But they are not the same kind of coup. The Turkish one saw violence and death. The Spanish one did not, at least not from the side of those who allegedly perpetrated the coup.

    Brussels should have intervened in the Catalonia mess a long time ago, called a meeting, instead of claiming this had nothing to do with the EU, a claim as cowardly as it is cheap. You’re either a union or you’re not. And if you are, the well-being of all your citizens is your responsibility. You don’t get to cherry pick. You got to walk your talk.

    Belgian news paper De Standaard today makes an interesting distinction. It says the Belgian judicial system is not asked to “extradite” Puidgemont to Spain (uitlevering), but to “surrender” him (overlevering). Legal gibberish.

    The paper also states that the case will go through three different courts, each of which has 15 days to announce a decision, so Puidgemont is safe for at least a month and a half. And then on December 21, Rajoy had called elections in Catalonia. For which, reportedly, he will seek to ban several parties. Don’t be surprised if that includes Puidgemont’s.

    Moreover, even if the democratically elected president of Catalonia loses all appeals available to him, he could then ask for asylum in Belgium (apparently, Belgium is the only EU member country in which EU citizens can ask for asylum). And then you would really get into a mix-up of EU versus Belgian versus Spanish laws. In a way this is good, it would test a system that is not prepared at all for such divergences.

    But what a disaster this is, once more, for the EU. It has shown zero leadership in the case, neither from the likes of European Commission head Juncker nor from Angela Merkel, its most powerful head of state. How can one not conclude that the Union is completely rudderless? This is just as bad as the refugee crisis, and the beheading of the Greek economy.

    Threatening people with 30-year jail terms for organizing a peaceful vote is not what the EU should stand for. And now that is does, it threatens its own survival. Europe cannot be the land of Erdogan or Franco, it cannot look the other way and live.

    That may be why the German armed forces, the Bundeswehr, have prepared a report that looks at future scenarios for Europe, including worst-case ones. The article in Der Spiegel is in German only, and my command of the language is a tad rusty, but the translation through Google is surprisingly accurate, I only had to change a few words.

    The authors don’t seek the worst case option in either Spain or Greece, but perhaps they should. Then again, some of their projections are stark enough to offer plenty food for thought.

    Military planners think EU collapse is conceivable

    According to SPIEGEL information, the Bundeswehr played through social and political trends until 2040 for the first time. Strategists are also developing a worst-case scenario. The Bundeswehr believes that an end to the West in its current form over the next few decades is possible. This is according to information from Der Spiegel from the “Strategic Perspective 2040”, which was adopted at the end of February by the top of the Ministry of Defense and since then kept under wraps.

    For the first time in its history, the Bundeswehr’s 102-page document shows how social trends and international conflicts could influence German security policy in the coming decades. The study sets the framework in which the Bundeswehr of the future is likely to move.

    The paper does not yet provide any concrete conclusions for equipment and strength. In one of the six scenarios (“The EU in Disintegration and Germany in Reactive Mode”), the authors assume a “multiple confrontation”. The future projection describes a world in which the international order erodes after “decades of instability”, value systems worldwide diverge and globalization is stopped.

    “The EU enlargement has been largely abandoned, other states have left the community, Europe has lost its global competitiveness,” write the Bundeswehr strategists: “The increasingly disorderly, sometimes chaotic and conflict-prone world has dramatically changed the security environment of Germany and Europe.” In the fifth scenario (“West against East”), some eastern EU countries are freezing the state of European integration while others have “joined the Eastern bloc”.

    In the fourth scenario (“multipolar competition”), extremism is on the rise and there are EU partners who “even occasionally seem to seek a specific approach to Russia’s” state capitalist model “. The document expressly makes no prognosis, but all scenarios are “plausible with the 2040 time horizon,” write the authors. The simulations were developed by scientists of the Federal Armed Forces Planning Office.
    Funny, that ‘future projection’ looks a lot like how I see the EU today, not in 2040.

    There’s a longer article behind a paywall at Der Spiegel, but this should be sufficient to get a conversation going. Angela Merkel may be all EU all the time, just like all her EU peers, but her own army has serious questions about that. And given the Catalonia swamp, who could doubt that they are right about having doubts?

    Yanis Varoufakis’ DiEM25 movement is all set towards democratizing the EU, but how realistic is that goal? How divergent does a Union have to get before you give up on it? Poland, Hungary, Czechia all want completely different things from what Holland and Germany want. New French president Macron is finding out as we speak that he can only do what Merkel allows him to.

    And then along comes Spain and tries to inflict Franco era laws and violence on its citizens. But Brussels does nothing, and neither does Berlin. Refugees can rot away on Greek islands if eastern Europe doesn’t want them, and Catalan grandmas can get beaten to a pulp by the remnants of Franco’s troops, Brussels has zilch.

    The way the EU functions today is no accident, and it’s not some new development. Present-day Brussels is the culmination of 50-60 years of institutionalization. You don’t change that with an election here or there.

    Will Catalonia be the endgame of Brussels? Will it be the refugee crisis? Brexit? It’s impossible to say, but what is certain is that in its present state, the Union has no future. And at the same time, there’s no solution in sight. The powers that be are deeply invested, and they’re not going to let go just because some country, or part of a country, or political party, or group of voters wants them to.

    The EU is profoundly anti-democratic, and it intends to stay that way.

    But imagine that Belgium ‘surrenders’ Puidgemont, a man whose movement has lifted anti-violence to a whole new and modern level, and Rajoy jails him for 30 years, and the next day sits in on some meeting in Brussels, what picture does that paint for the 500 million EU citizens?

    They’re crazy if they think they can get away with this.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...ng-eu-collapse

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    Either the EU ditches neoliberalism or its people will ditch the EU


    Either the EU ditches neoliberalism or its people will ditch the EU

    We live in a world fashioned by Washington, and as 2019 approaches the dire consequences remain woefully evident.


    In 1948 US State Department mandarin George Kennan – the man credited with devising the policy of containment vis-à-vis the Soviet Union at the end of WWII, – laid bare the focus of US foreign policy in the postwar period:
    We have about 50 percent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population…Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern or relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and daydreamings…We are going to have to deal in straight power concepts.”


    The “pattern of relationships” advocated by Kennan is embodied in the panoply of international institutions that have governed our world and dominated the planet’s economic, geopolitical, and military architecture in the seven decades since.


    The World Bank and the IMF came out of the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944, along with the establishment of the dollar as the world’s primary international reserve currency.


    The Truman administration’s 1947 National Security Act gave birth to a US military-industrial complex that married the nation’s economy to what was destined to become and remain a vast security and intelligence apparatus.


    NATO, an instrument of US imperial power, was established in 1949, the year after the Marshall Plan (European Recovery Program) was rolled out with the objective of creating markets and demand in Europe for US exports; Washington having emerged from the war as a global economic hegemon and creditor nation without peer. A similar plan was also rolled out to rebuild the Japanese economy on the same basis.


    Pausing for a moment, it has to count as a remarkable feat of forward thinking on the part of US policymakers, embarking on a plan to not only affect the economic and industrial recovery of its two defeated enemies, Germany and Japan, immediately after the war, but turn them into regional economic powerhouses.


    Subsidizing Europe’s postwar recovery was not only of immense economic importance to Washington, it was also of vital strategic importance in pushing back against Soviet influence in Europe. Immediately after the war, this influence was riding high on the back of the Red Army’s seminal role in liberating the continent from fascism, buttressed by resistance movements across occupied Europe in which Communist partisans had been most prominent.


    A portion of Marshall aid money – in total some $12 billion (over $100 billion today) over four years between 1948 and 1952 – was diverted to fund various covert operations under the auspices of the CIA, designed to penetrate and subvert those governments and political parties that elicited a leaning towards socialist and communist ideas.


    In their titanic work ‘The Untold History of the United States’, co-authors Peter Kuznick and Oliver Stone reveal that one of those operations involved “supporting a guerrilla army in Ukraine called Nightingale, which had been established by the Wehrmacht in the spring of 1941 with the help of Stephan Bandera, head of the Ukrainian National Organization’s more radical wing OUN-B. The following year, Mikola Lebed founded the organization’s terrorist arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army…made up of ultranationalist Ukrainians, including Nazi collaborators.”


    Given the nefarious role of Washington and its allies in aiding and abetting the rebirth of ultra-nationalism in Ukraine in our time, Marx’s dictum – History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce – is hard to avoid.


    Another institution that was established with US economic and strategic objectives in mind was the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) in 1951, the forerunner of today’s European Union. Yes, that’s right; the original incarnation of the EU was a triumph not of European diplomacy but US diplomacy.


    In his 2011 book ‘The Global Minotaur’, left-leaning economist Yanis Varoufakis writes:
    Students of European integration are taught that the European Union started life in the form of the ECSC. What they are less likely to come across is the well-kept secret that it was the United States that cajoled, pushed, threatened and sweet-talked the Europeans into putting it together…Indeed, it is indisputable that without the United States’ guiding hand the ECSC would not have materialized.”


    He goes on:
    There was one politician who saw this clearly: General Charles de Gaulle, the future President of France…When the ECSC was formed, de Gaulle denounced it on the basis that it was creating a united Europe in the form of a restrictive cartel and, more importantly, that it was an American creation, under Washington’s influence.”
    Washington’s influence over the European Union continues to this day. Most prominently the economic model that underpins this crisis-ridden economic and increasingly political bloc, neoliberalism, is one made in America.


    From inception as the lodestar of Western economic thought in the mid 1970s, prior to its adoption as the economic base of the US and UK in the early 1980s, neoliberalism has functioned alongside Washington’s military might and overweening cultural values as part of an architecture of imperialism to which European elites have signed up as fully-fledged disciples, consciously or otherwise.


    De Gaulle, as mentioned, was no slouch when it came to understanding that the major threat to European independence and security lay in Washington not Moscow. He championed a ‘Europe of Nations’ after WWII, not supranational institutions that were established with the primary purpose of servicing US economic and strategic interests. As he famously proclaimed: “From the Atlantic to the Urals it is Europe, all of Europe, that will decide the fate of the world.” De Gaulle’s great fear was a “Europe of the Americans,” which alas is what transpired with the establishment of neoliberalism as the economic foundation of European integration three decades or so later.


    De Gaulle took a dim view of the UK in the postwar period, considering London a proxy of Washington. It was a view that gained common currency within French political circles after the debacle known to history as the Suez Crisis, when in 1956 the French and British entered into an ill-fated military pact with Israel to seize control of the Suez Canal from Egypt and effect the overthrow of the country’s Arab nationalist president Gamal Abdul Nasser.


    President Eisenhower forced the British into a humiliating retreat, threatening a series of punitive measures to leave London in no doubt of its place in the so-called special relationship. The French had been eager to continue with the Suez operation and were disgusted at London’s craven climb down in the face of Eisenhower’s intervention.


    In 1958, two years after the Suez debacle, De Gaulle entered the Elysee Palace as French president. Thereafter, the humiliation of Suez still raw, he embarked on an assertion of the country’s independence from Washington that contrasted with Britain’s slavish and unedifying subservience. The French leader withdrew France from NATO’s integrated command and twice blocked Britain’s entry into the European Economic Community (EEC) – the previous incarnation of today’s EU – on the basis that London would be a US Trojan horse if admitted.


    There is, given this history, delicious irony in the fact that the country responsible for injecting the poison of neoliberalism into the EU – the UK under its fanatical leader Margaret Thatcher – is currently embroiled in a messy divorce from the bloc.


    The EU in its current form is a latter-day prison house of nations locked inside a neoliberal straitjacket and single currency. Not only can’t it survive on this basis, but it also does not deserve to. Ultimately, either Europe’s political establishment decouples from Washington and its works – the Trump administration notwithstanding – or its peoples will decouple from them and theirs.


    As things stand, the latter proposition is far more likely.


    Either the EU ditches neoliberalism or its people will ditch the EU 18 Dec 2018.
    corporate/financial class government = neo-liberalist dictatorship = globalism = NWO totalitarianism

    It didn't wear in the USSR and it won't wear in the EUssr either.

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    Salvini MP: If EU Had Pushed Sanctions Italy Would Have Debated Leaving


    Following the European Union’s climbdown on the Italian budget, populist League MP Claudio Borghi has revealed that if sanctions had not been dropped Italians would have begun a debate on leaving the EU entirely.


    The European Commission announced this week that it had come to terms with the populist Italian government coalition on the budget and is no longer considering the process that would have led to potential sanctions against the country, Il Giornale reports.


    Borghi, who also serves as president of the Budget Committee in the Italian chamber of deputies, said that “the lords of Brussels have understood that if they had pulled the rope again, people in Italy would have come back to ask themselves whether they really want to stay in Europe or not.”

    According to a Eurobarometer poll released in October, Italy has become the most eurosceptic country within the political bloc, with the results showing that only 44 per centof Italians would vote to remain within the EU if a referendum on membership were held.

    Italian Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of the Interior, and League (Lega) leader Matteo Salvini celebrated the cave in by Brussels, saying that the government had actually improved the budget in certain areas.


    Salvini has also been largely critical of the current state of the European Union, saying in October: “It is clear now to everyone that it needs to be re-founded. I dream of a Europe that does few things and does them well. The next year’s European elections will be a historic occasion.”

    The League leader, who is seen as one of the most popular political figures in Italy, announced he would be joining forces with French Rassemblement National (RN/National Rally) leader Marine Le Pen to form an alliance ahead of May’s European Parliament elections.


    Last week, Austrian Vice-Chancellor and leader of the Freedom Party (FPÖ) Heinz-Christian Strache also announced he would be joining the alliance alongside Salvini and Le Pen.


    Salvini MP: If EU Had Pushed Sanctions Italy Would Have Debated Leaving 20 Dec 2018.


    No more 'third world immmigration' or Italexit.

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