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    A German caricature who hits the nail from my point of view:



    "You wight dare to throw stones in the way of the European unity process?

    ...and anyway: Why aren´t you naked and enchained like the 500 million idiots behind me?"

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Its a great cartoon ,Valkyrie - we are indeed being enslaved. The British ratification is pushed through by our parliament -- whatever the people feel ( strongly against) is of no consequence! Only little countries seem to have any voice. I wonder why the big ones are all so helpless!! Isn't it pathetic.

    Arthor - you are right in your own perception . Blair has even put down his own thoughts to help your argument along !!!

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=7829
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    20 June


    The EU is seemingly dead locked over what to do next. That means that behind the scenes, massive Euro-pressure & money will be thrown at the Irish to oblige them to change their minds in a new Vote . But all this will delay things.... and others may get increasingly nervous about public hostility to Le Fix Up . Lets hope so.:

    From Times Online

    Czechs' stalling delays EU progress on Lisbon treaty

    The concerns of Mirek Topolanek, the Eurosceptic Czech Prime Minister, delayed the summit dinner by two hours.......

    The Czech Republic last night threw a spanner in the works of EU plans to agree a clarion call to push ahead with the Lisbon treaty despite the Irish “no“ vote.

    Mirek Topolanek, the Eurosceptic Prime Minister, objected to a declaration for rapid ratifications in the seven other countries yet to agree the treaty...........

    The Czech Senate has stalled ratification to await a constitutional court ruling, and Mr Topolanek told journalists: “If the [Senate] vote was today, I would not bet 100 crowns [about £3] on the outcome.”

    His concerns delayed the EU leaders’ summit dinner by more than two hours as they debated how to phrase a message combining “respect” for the Irish vote with a determination to press on with the document.

    Irish PM under pressure to save treaty
    Brown hailed as saviour as Dublin pressure builds ( !!! pah)

    Mr Topolanek’s intervention meant that the 27 leaders were not able to sign off their statement last night and will have to come back to it this morning in a session supposed to be focusing on food and fuel supply problems....... ( ie. real issues....)

    Once again, EU leaders have spent hours obsessing about how to change their institutional structures, overshadowing issues arguably of much more importance to European citizens.....

    “There is particular difficulty with our Czech friends. I hope we will be able to lift it by the morning,“ Nicolas Sarkozy , the French President, told a news conference.

    “We are talking to [Mr Topolanek] about the drafting of the final communiqué, each side being well aware that the idea is to confine the problem to Ireland and for all the other countries to continue the ratification process.”

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    ..... the sound of arms twisting ...? eyes:

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    20June 08
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    In Brussels, EU leaders gave the Irish government until October to suggest ways to proceed with the treaty, which must be ratified by all 27 member states to take effect. ((!!))


    The Irish vote sparked a row between Britain and France after Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, blamed Peter Mandelson, the EU trade commissioner for alienating Irish voters.

    Mr Sarkozy said that the European Commission's trade policies – which aim to lower protectionist barriers on farm produce – had alarmed Irish farmers and contributed to the No vote.

    He listed issues which contributed to the No vote including Irish concerns over euthanasia, abortion and the world trade talks – adding: "Mandelson."


    But Mr Brown defended Mr Mandelson, saying he is doing "an excellent job." He also pointedly reminded Mr Sarkozy that the commission's trade policies are decided by all 27 EU governments.

    Mr Mandelson said: "It's not all my fault." !

    Mr Mandelson pointed out that Mr Sarkozy had been asked during a press conference to hold EU Commission President José Manuel Barroso responsible for the setback.

    "He tactfully and diplomatically chose to blame me instead. My shoulders are broad enough and my skin is thick enough to take this," Mr Mandelson said.

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    ...........Sounds like a Ratification process alright!!

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    Since these characters are doing such a poor job, perhaps Robert Mugabe should be hired instead? He is rather experienced in the matter at hand.
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    EU should have been only for the north-european countries, and maybe with a different name then. I think countries up here in the north should work together more, we are some of the wealthiest countries in the world and share alot of culture and etnicity. Im just glad Norway isnt in the european union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadir View Post
    EU should have been only for the north-european countries, and maybe with a different name then. I think countries up here in the north should work together more, we are some of the wealthiest countries in the world and share alot of culture and etnicity. Im just glad Norway isnt in the european union.
    I guess most of us would think this makes a lot of sense. Perhaps some federation in the south as well - providing it is properly committed to protecting the Southern Flank from the southeyes:! As it is ,Italy has already questioned the issue of Centralize Finance, which is clearly creating a considerable strain for them - and others . Maybe the break will actually come from the south - or even the east. Its hard to see the central powers escaping from the current mess. Norway is WELL out of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadir View Post
    EU should have been only for the north-european countries, and maybe with a different name then. I think countries up here in the north should work together more, we are some of the wealthiest countries in the world and share alot of culture and ethnicity. I'm just glad Norway isn't in the european union.

    Unfortunately, non-EU countries such as Norway and Switzerland enjoy no particular immunity from the ills of EU driven multiculturalism and mass migration. Denmark is being overrun by Islamic colonialists just as is Sweden and Denmark; and Norway's government has betrayed the interests of it's own people to the same degree as the governments of the EU member states. Mosques in Oslo? A possibility of Pakistanis or Kurds in the Stortinget; Are you kidding me?

    The very idea of some American model federalised Europe is an abomination. Norway, Germany, Italy, and France are no mere geographical administrative units to be compared with Texas, Alabama, North Carolina, and Vermont. The countries of Europe are National homelands each with their own distinct cultures, languages, and peoples. A borderless, Schengenised Europe can only result in the complete collapse of individual European National identity in favour of some chaos of generic monoculturalism for the indigenous peoples; overshadowed and shoved aside and made secondary by the more vigorous, cohesive ethno-centric transplanted cultures of the alien migrants.

    The EU which began life as a mere economic co-operative has surreptitiously morphed into a bolshevised pan-European police State which is aggressively dismantling every cultural, social, legal, and racial basis of European civlisation in order to create some misconceived post National Eutopia wherein every race on the planet will be invited to live side by side in peace and harmony enriching the empty and stagnate indigenous cultures of the unremarkable locals.

    If European civilisation is to be saved from the insane agenda of globalist-multiculturalism;The EU must be dismantled in its entirety and the Eurocrats held accountable for their unspeakable treason and perfidy. The Nations of Europe will prosper ten fold as free trading, separate but equal, fully sovereign Nation states free of their multicultural burden. The restoration of the ethnically homogeneous societies of Europe will pay huge dividends to those respective societies. Immigration as a practice should be abolished in its entirety as it only benefits the third world horde to the disadvantage of the indigenous populace. In a post EU Europe, the non-negotiable prohibition of extra-European immigration should be hard wired into the state constitutions of every European country.

    This has been my marginally coherent, random tangent for the day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    This seems unlikely to happen if ratification is by referedum. How many members are there in the EU anyway, 16 or more. No way all those nations will come to a unanimous decision on treaty ratification without some sort of coercion being used. As a faraway observer I have a hard time understanding how the EU functions. The EU Parliament doesn't seem to have any real power or function. The real power is in Brussels but just who whelds that power?
    Not even most people in the EU knows. But it seems to be bureaucrats mostly. Or manderins like they are called in this book. Nust rememberd how Stalin was described, namely as nothing more then the ultimate bureaucrate.

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    Sarkozy again - wanting to use his EU "Presidential" status to force through the EU Treaty. But it may not be so easy ........

    Nicolas Sarkozy pledges to force through EU Treaty

    Telegraph 10/07/2008

    President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to push through the new European Union's Treaty by the end of the year, warning the EU must not get embroiled in an "institutional soap opera".

    French President Nicolas Sarkosy speaking at the EU Parliament:
    In a forceful speech to the European Parliament in which he presented France's priorities during its six-month rotating EU presidency, Mr Sarkozy said: "It is Europe's duty to act right now".

    He said he would propose a way forward by the end of the year for the Lisbon Treaty after consulting the government of Ireland, where voters rejected it in a referendum last month.

    "The French presidency will propose a method and, I hope, a solution either in October or in December," he said in a high-energy four-hour speech and debate with Euro-MPs.

    Irish voters plunged the EU into crisis when they rejected the Treaty, designed to adapt the 27-nation bloc's institutions for further enlargement. The French are said to favour a second Irish referendum, although Mr Sarkozy made no mention of this.

    He said that if EU nations failed to reach agreement on the Treaty, then they would have to revert to the current Nice Treaty.

    "There will not be any new treaty. It's either Lisbon, or it's Nice," Mr Sarkozy said to strong applause from MEPs. Reverting to Nice would mean no more EU enlargement, he warned.

    He also used his keynote speech to reiterate his differences with the European Central Bank's monetary policy, and with the EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson.

    Mr Sarkozy believes Mr Mandelson's position ahead of World Trade Organisation talks in Geneva on July 21 is too generous, and suggested all EU countries backed his view that a deal was far off.

    "We are unanimous in Europe, even if it is not for the same reasons, to say that in the current state of things the conditions are not right," he said.

    "There's not a French exception to this point of view," he added. "I haven't heard anybody, including the British Government, say that we've got to sign in the current state of negotiations."

    The trade talks aim to boost international commerce by removing trade barriers and subsidies, but countries are loath to open up their markets or reduce financial support to farmers.

    On the European Central Bank, he defended his right to spark healthy debate on monetary policy. "We are not calling into question the independence of the ECB if we ask whether it is reasonable for interest rates to go up to 4.25 per cent when the Americans are at 2 per cent," Mr Sarkozy said.

    France's priorities were, he said, to adopt strict measures to fight climate change and promote renewable energy sources, a pact on managed immigration, as well as beefing up European defence and modernising the Common Agricultural Policy.

    But he made clear that any farm reform should not lead to a fall in EU output.

    "Is it reasonable to ask the EU to reduce its agricultural production when the world has never needed food so much? I don't think it is reasonable. This is not about French agriculture, it is about common sense," he said.

    After some MEPs attacked his decision to attend the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympic Games, he said he had the unanimous backing from EU governments.

    "I happen to think that humiliating China is not the best way to respect human rights", he said. "I don't think you can boycott 1.3 billion people, a quarter of the world's population."

    Mr Sarkozy also said he would back Jose Manuel Barroso for a second term as European Commission president when his mandate ends next year.

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    more of Sarkozy's strange ideas :
    (.......... coming unstuck ??)

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=76201

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