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    Opinion: French Vote Not the End of Europe
    Many have already started reading the European Union the last rites after the French rejected the EU constitution on Sunday. But far from killing it off, the EU may in the long run benefit from the result.

    The 'non' vote in the French EU constitution represents one side of a European paradox: France has long been one of the strongest advocates of cooperation and integration within the bloc and yet Sunday's vote against the EU constitution is a clear sign that the French people now reject a contract which would promote these ideals.

    However, while doom-mongers may now be ringing the death knell of the EU, the French vote may actually give the bloc time to reflect and to take its foot off the gas in the enlargement juggernaut to its benefit.
    The French 'no' vote had been signposted for weeks. It had been clear for over a month that the European constitution would not get a majority vote in favor from the French people.

    And yet, while the rejectionist camp got stronger, the leaders of the EU states put their heads in the sand. There was no Plan B. Even on Sunday, current EU president Luxembourg's Jean Claude Juncker and EU Commission President Jose Barroso were at a loss to explain the result.

    What now for Europe? Crisis? Disaster? Chaos? It is doubtful that this nightmare scenario will come to pass despite the obvious rejection of the constitution. The EU already has a working, although complicated, legal framework with clear rules in the Nice agreement.

    And some, including German EU commissioner Günter Verheugen, believe that once the repercussions of this setback have been digested, the EU can actually make progress. The union will go on working and not break up. France will not resign.

    At first, there will be a pause for reflection on the speed of integration and the progress of enlargement. Only after such consideration, which may take years, can the constitution project and the streamlining and democratization of the decision-processes within the EU continue.

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    Post Re: AW: France rejects EU treaty

    Schröder himself may even be removed from power by the end of the year and replaced by a conservative alternative, further decreasing the support Turkey has in the bloc.
    The stock exchange rate in Istanbul lost five percent after the annoncement of new elections in Germany. But I wouldn't give to much on these "conservatives'" will and strength to make an end to the Turkish issue. The story will be delayed, but there will be no basic change of the whole course that immediately just because of a government change in Germany; Turkey moves already with full power towards E.U. because of the maniac politics which these super-"Europeans" perform for years now already.
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

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    Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    José Manuel Barroso put the Netherlands under pressure for being indifferent about the EU Constitution, De Volkskrant reports. In the spring of 2005, the Netherlands and France gave the Constitution a big no.

    “Once you have signed an agreement you must ratify it as well”, Barroso said to Dutch journalists in Brussels today. “And if that’s not possible, you should at least try to contribute everything you can to a solution”, he added.

    The European Commission president would not comment whether he thought it was a good idea to “shrink” the Constitution to the size of a mini-agreement, as suggested earlier by the French presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy. “This is a question for the member states. They have signed the agreement, and now they have to find a solution”, Barroso said.
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    Re: Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    What a stupid man he must be ! If the people have been given a vote and have made good use of it , that should be enough for anyone! Blair didn't dare try one on the British - and Germany doesn't have that kind of "democracy" of course!! I suspect they will have to dump this Euro-Constitution idea as irrelevant to the future - or am I fooling myself ??

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    Re: Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    giving them blame because they had a fair vote??? Wow, just when i thought my feelings towards THIS EU couldn't get any lower... IS he acutally blaming them for saying no to a Constitution by fair vote? The man obviously is an idot, and the EU as it is now is just a big joke.

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    Re: Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    Seems they don't understand the word No.

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    Re: Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    I suppose France is too big to be at fault.

    Incidentally, under what stretch of logic can it be assumed that the people who signed the agreement and the people who refused to ratify it are the same people? The only reason there was a ratification process in the first place was precisely because the signers and the ratifiers were not the same. Otherwise, the agreement would be finished upon signing.

    He's trying to smear the Dutch here by saying that they've gone back on their word, but they never did. Rather, a maverick Dutchman tried to sell them out by signing the thing and they refused to give in to his and his conspirators' demands.

    This kind of posturing that so completely ignores common sense is kind of sickening. And when this is coming from a civil leader, you can be certain that something is rotten.

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    Re: Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    The Dutch can take comfort in the fact that they are probably speaking for Britain as well - given that we are actively denied a vote by frit politicians. Only when we can speak the truth about this international farce on our own doorstep can there be any real progress in Europe -- towards a Europe of Reborn National States seeking to safeguard their own interests rather than those of "everyone else" !!

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    Re: Barroso Blames The Netherlands

    It should be clear by now no one in the EU (aside from certain politicians and their sheep) wants Turkey in, and near everyone is fed up with its bureaucracy and impediments on national sovereignty. It was meant to harmonise regulation between states for business purposes - not take over the member-States. So as far as I am concerned, Mr Barosso can go jump right off a cliff. One less parasite to worry about.
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    Re: The Netherlands and the EU Constitution

    Debates on EU Constitution Popular

    The European Parliament will increase the number of debates scheduled in The Netherlands on the European constitution. At least six to eight debates are planned, ANP reports. The number of people who visit the debates is growing. 250 people visited the debate in Maastricht last Wednesday, as compared to 80 at the first debate held in Nijmegen.

    Visitors can speak openly with politicians during the debates. While most of the EU countries have long since ratified the constitution, the Dutch say they still have a lot of questions.

    Meanwhile, most debate visitors have spoken for more democracy and more unified legislation in Europe, which is actually what the constitution stands for. The results of the debates will be sent to Prime Minister Balkenende.
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