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    Unless the big global companies start globalizing the Faroe Islands and creating Wall Marts and big factorys then I dont think they will ever have a problem with an in-flux of immigrants, even if there was a labour shortage on the Faroe Islands I carn't imagine all the Eastern Europeans going there and taking all the fishing jobs like they have come to the UK and took all the factory jobs.

    I believe there are no large chains of companies in the Faroe Islands and the citizens should protect this cultural blessing to there death before they regret it, being so linked with Denmark is not a good idea to keep this so, they should claim full independence. The Faroe Islands dont need a standing army, there is little there with appeals to the war makers of the world, it's hardly going to be a target for the muslim terrorists and if any hostiles did invade I'm sure the British wouldn't take too kindly to hostile forces occupying land so close to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    It does not sound as though nationalist economics would have much to offer the Faroe Islands, so you have been left debating fiscal matters.

    If wealth is well distributed and the economy is well protected and dynamic, and your immigrants are few, then your situation is near ideal.
    Well yeah the riches are pretty well distributed, we have lots of social systems (maybe too many) and the taxes are unforunatly very high... Probably the higest of Europe..they exceed 50% often (depending on your income). We have progressive taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    You must surely have some individual politicians (in the pay of big business) who are in favour of free market liberalization and reforms, who disagree with laws which forbid foreign ownership beyond 49% and so forth. If you have state utilities, they may want them privatised.

    You must also have some politicians who are socialists or even communists.
    Yeah there is... the 49% rule has sometimes been debated as some politicians wanted to have foreign investors.. But in majority then i think everybody is glad of that rule (specially now the economic crisis has hit all of europe..etc.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    These materialistic ideologies are the twin destroyers of national integrity and national progress, especially when employed simultaneously and in most European countries politicians of these groups have campaigned to encourage immigration and that has been to our detriment.
    Right now we are in a situation where we need labor force badly, and the laws have been more or less liberalized to make it easier to find workers that come from non Nordic EU countries. I don“t think it will destroy my county if a few poles and eastern Europeans come into our country to work..I think it will strengthen us.
    I don“t think you can compare it remotly to the situations in UK and rest of europe. You have a real danger with all of the muslim immigration in UK and i understand your concern perfectly when considering all the trouble you have with non western immigrants.

    Denmark still administers our foreign immigration. And Denmark is known to have tough immigration laws.. i i think they apply an even tougher immigrant laws for immigrants to Faroe Islands.
    It has been debated to take over the immigration minister. Since it works very slowly and unsmootly.
    Takes months for foreigners to get an answer if they can work and live here or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    My interest is in knowing whether or not the Faroe Islands have traitor politicians, or even a nationalist counter-movement which thinks beyond the issue of independence or union with respect to Denmark and considers matters such as immigration and economic nationalism and fair distribution of wealth to be the key issues.

    What I am asking is:

    Is there any case for nationalism in your country?
    Well i think it“s surprisingly little need for Nationalism, in that sense, beyond doing all the traditional stuff that we do and try to protect our herritage and language from picking too many foreign words into them.

    There is no need to be racist and hatefull here since foreigners have spoiled nothing here yet.

    According to wikipedia then these type of foreign people live in the faroes:
    91.7% Faroese, 5.8% Danish, 0.4% Icelanders, 0.2 %Norwegian, 0.2% Poles
    I think the polish estimation may be underestimated... there are alot of polish workers nowdays here.

    As well as children who are adopted. Also some men adopt wifes with asian background

    People are mostly concerned with internal affairs and whats happening in Faroe Islands and not so much on immigrants and so on..Since they are so insignificant and most of them are well integrated.
    You won“t see big demonstrations and overruling of government because of foreigners anytime in the near future

    But the question of Denmark/Faroes is sometimes debated in the media.
    There are lots of people who are afraid to take independence from Denmark, but fortunately then they are fewer and fewer... Now even the union party wants to take more things over to Faroese control. Witch would be unthinkable for 15 years ago.

    The problem of Denmark/Faroes is probably the question that has been most important when talking about faroese Foreign affairs. even though it hasn“t been debated so much lately since all politicians agree that we should take more things over somehow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ard Ri View Post
    I was impressed with the cleanliness and natural beauty of the Faroe Islands when I visited briefly this summer (the Westmanna Bird Cliffs are well worth the trip alone!)
    Thanks hope you enjoyed that.

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    The local people we spoke with were proud of their history of parliamentary government which they claim may even pre-date Iceland's.
    It realy does... it“s the oldest parliamentary in the world...

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    (Their elected representatives meet in a small, unobtrusive building, and evidently do not consider themselves the privileged elite, as in America.)
    Yeah you can risk meeting your prime minister shopping or something :p. And maybe get a talk with him...I don“t think the prime minister ever needed security guards on the faroes.
    Hųgni Hoydal of the idependance party once got an got beaten by some drunk guy .. he got a black eye. He didn“t even report it in - the man appologized for attacking him hahah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ard Ri View Post
    I can understand why many would seek independence and more complete control over their affairs. It would be a tragedy to lose the unique nature of small but praiseworthy nations like the Faroe Islands in a drive to globalize everything in the name of convenience.
    Well thank you for your kind words, and it“s always good to read peoples opinions on Faroe Islands. Convenience?? what more convenience do we need? We have the second highest living standerd of the nordic countries.. and it is certainly not thanks to globalists, bankers or Denmark.
    I don“t think globalizing would help anything at all.. would probably worsen things if anything.
    We need more people actualy, but in some way i hope it“s not non europeans (not to be racist or anything) but i“ve seen the problems non western immigrants have caused in Britain, France and Sweden.

    And by the way it“s free access in the parliment when the politicians are debating.. One time one nut cam in there with a gun actualy... But luckyly he got overruled and arested. The guy had psycological problems.

    He would probably be sniped down pretty fast if he did such a thing in the US :p

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    Goodbye Denmark? Faroese weigh pulling free of Danish grip

    Enough is enough: for the Faroese sailor Birgir Enni, having spent more than half a millennium under Danish rule means it's about time for the North Atlantic autonomous archipelago to break away.
    "We've been occupied by Denmark for 600 years! That is enough and we need to change that soon," the white-haired captain tells AFP on his wooden sailing ship.

    Located more than 1,100 kilometres (more than 680 miles) northwest of powerhouse Copenhagen, the Faroe Islands have since 1948 had their own white, blue and red flag with an offset cross, their own language originating from the Viking's Old Norse and institutions and culture.

    With its breathtakingly green and high mountains covered by fog and inhabited by more sheep than people, the island territory is weighing the idea of pushing its autonomy to full independence.

    "We are not Danes, we will never be Danes, we can't be Danes, we are Faroese and that's it... we have to stand up for it and fight for it," says Foreign Affairs and Trade Minister Poul Michelsen, who's also the leader of the separatist Progressive Party.

    "We are becoming more independent everyday... because we're taking more and more responsibility. The gap between Denmark and the Faroes comes quite naturally," Michelsen tells AFP in his office in the Faroese capital, Torshavn.

    An unlikely alliance of the left, the right, separatists and unionists, the local government is now writing a constitution, which is aimed at capturing the Faroese identity and is seen by some as one of the final pieces of a puzzle leading to emancipation.

    An April referendum on the constitution was postponed in order to reach the widest possible consensus on the text. As yet, no new date has been set.

    After the planned transfer of migration affairs to the Faroese authorities, Copenhagen will only be in charge of Faroese defence and certain aspects of foreign, monetary and judicial policies.

    "Denmark is not a hard master," says Hanna Jensen, co-founder of the Progressive Party.

    "(But) Denmark has its own motivations, its own needs and interests for its own place in the world... they are trying to also include our needs, our motivations and our wants, but they collide regularly," she adds.

    This conflict of interest was particularly notable during a mackerel and herring war with the EU -- of which the Faroe Islands is not a member -- in early 2010, when Denmark was forced to join a Brussels-imposed boycott against Faroese fish.

    The issue touched a raw nerve in Faroese society, which is mainly reliant on fishing, and has not been forgotten to this day.

    The islands' economy is flourishing compared to Greenland, another Danish autonomous territory, thanks to fishing, agriculture and rising tourism, although oil exploration efforts have drawn a blank.

    Unemployment is almost non-existent, gross domestic product per capita exceeds that of Denmark and the Faroese authorities feel so confident that they've asked Copenhagen to freeze their annual subsidies, meaning that their importance for the local economy is gradually shrinking over time.

    The fight for their national identity began at the end of the 19th century, even though the islanders had to wait until 1937 to have their own language officially recognised.

    When the Faroe Islands were invaded by the British army during World War II -- while Denmark was under Nazi German rule -- they got a taste for managing their own affairs in the absence of Danish involvement, triggering a desire for freedom.

    A referendum led to a narrow victory for the separatists in 1946, but Copenhagen responded by dissolving the Faroese parliament, the Logting.

    At the port of Torshavn, in narrow streets and houses covered in green grass roofs, opinions on independence are divided, reflecting a split also shown in the polls.

    "I have no problem being in a union with Denmark," says Ossur Hovland, a retired teacher.

    "We are 50,000 people, it's more convenient to be in a nation of five million people".

    But for Birgir Enni, the long-distance relationship is no longer working out.

    "We are so far away from everything, we have a lot of everything, we don't need anything from anybody."
    https://www.thelocal.dk/20180619/goo...of-danish-grip

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    I don't see how the Faroe Islands would fare particularly well in becoming an independent country. 50 thousand people, with no natural resources to speak of, on a bunch of islands mostly made up of cliffs, where nothing but grass grows naturally... They are a bunch of tough bastards, though, so I'm sure they'll survive somehow. But if the crux of their issue with Denmark is the meddling of the EU, why not ask to become a part of Norway instead? Just like the good old days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    But if the crux of their issue with Denmark is the meddling of the EU, why not ask to become a part of Norway instead? Just like the good old days.
    Hmmm, part of Norway, that sounds good to me.

    However, I tend to believe they would rather consider following Iceland's example instead, which also is an independent nation now.
    Die Farben duften frisch und grün... Lieblich haucht der Wind um mich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vķšįlfr View Post
    However, I tend to believe they would rather consider following Iceland's example instead, which also is an independent nation now.
    I find that very unlikely, considering a large part of their GDP (between 11 and 15 percent) is gathered from Danish subsidies. And their currency is also the Danish krone. I'm not sure a population of 50 thousand could manage to maintain a unique currency. Their quality of life would likely be greatly diminished if they choose to go independent.

    Norway has plenty of money for subsidies, and doesn't have the EU breathing in their necks as much as Denmark does. Besides, the Faroe Islands claim a sea territory of 275 000 square kilometers, which may possibly hold oil and gas reserves in the sea bed. Norway has plenty of experience and expertise in locating and drilling for that, which would be of benefit to both parties. Win-win. I also believe the Faroe Islanders would find a bit of relief in having to learn Norwegian in school, instead of Danish. The Faroe Islands have always been closer connected to Norway than Denmark culturally and ethnically, anyways.
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