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    Faroes Debate Independence from Denmark

    Independence divides Denmark islands


    A group of tiny islands in the north Atlantic are fiercely debating the merits of independence. The Faroes have had autonomy from Denmark since 1948, but the 48,000 people who live there are now pushing for more.

    Over the years the Faroese have taken control of most matters except defence, foreign affairs and the legal system but Denmark has control of nearby oil deposits.

    Conservative Party Chairman Jorgen Niclasen says: “We are a country away from Denmark, totally alone in the North Atlantic. We have our own language, if only 48,000 people. As every child we are growing up and when you grow up you want to move away from your parents and make your own home.”

    The islands have already voluntarily reduced Danish subsidies by a third, without significant effect on an economy heavily dependent on fishing.

    But for traditionalists and unionists, ties with Denmark are necessary for security and as a means of joining the European Union.

    “We are the party who are standing for unity with Denmark and with Greenland because as we are saying usually small is beautiful, our islands are very beautiful and big is powerful,” believes Kaj Leo Johannesen, leader of the Union Party.

    Often shrouded in mist, the country has a rugged landscape locked in time. In traditional grass-roofed houses and ancient Viking and Celtic customs are kept alive.

    On both sides of the argument, there’s a strong drive to create an economy which is self-sufficient - whether people want independence or not.
    http://www.russiatoday.ru/features/news/25753


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    This is hardly news. But maybe it's new to Russians, I can't be sure about that. However, I do know, that the Faroes are known to be the first (western country) make some special sort of trade agreement with the former Soviet Union. I just can't remember which one it was in particular right now.

    But anyway, the articles doesn't focus on the poles of Faroese independence policy. They do quote Kaj Leo Johannesen, chairman of Sambandsflokkurin, true, but they quote Jørgen Niclasen, chairman of Fólkaflokkurin (People's Party - conservative) instead of Høgni Hoydal, chairman of Tjóðveldi (formerly known as Tjóðveldisflokkurin, The Republican Party), who is also the first and current foreign minister of the Faroe Islands.

    However, there's no current debate on Independence as such at the moment. It hits the headlines now and then, but that's about it, although during the election campaign, many parties promised referenda on Faroese Independence and/or a new Faroese constitution. Years like 2010 and 2012 were mentioned, but there's no planned date for a referendum as of yet.

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    I see. In the USA, we do not get so much news about the Faroes, so I generally read European news sources. I believe it is a topic worthy of discussion. I have learned more about the Faroese situation during my stay in Norway than in the USA.


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    Independance.

    Yeah independence we need that in my opinion.
    I think we can make it without doubt. the GDP of faroe Islands is rather high for the time being pluss 95% self sufficient.
    We get about 5% from Denmark.

    BTW thanks for the intrest.

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    Dont most people on the Faroe islands move to Denmark when they are about 18 anyway and the Faroe islands is made up of mostly old people?

    I think independence would be a good step at keeping tradition and stopping globalisation on the island but I dont know if EU counties will trade with them much as they wont be in the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    Dont most people on the Faroe islands move to Denmark when they are about 18 anyway and the Faroe islands is made up of mostly old people?

    I think independence would be a good step at keeping tradition and stopping globalisation on the island but I dont know if EU counties will trade with them much as they wont be in the EU?
    Well it´s not everybody who moves to Denmark.. A few procentage move to DEnmark for studies but most return to faroes again...

    It is true that we have some problems attracting labour force. Since unemployment of Faroe Islands actualy is the lowest of Europe.
    But the living standard of Faroe Islands is high.. we have the second highest GDP per capitia of the nordic countries.

    There has just been some problems for the politicians to create jobs to match the edeucations people take in Denmark and elsewhere.
    I suppose the it´s much easier to find your dreamjob in Denmark and Norway than in Faroe Islands.

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    What about economic nationalism in the Faroe Islands? Do people generally own the business they work for and the houses that they live in?

    Does Faroese politics tend to follow the capitalist/socialist false dilemma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    What about economic nationalism in the Faroe Islands? Do people generally own the business they work for and the houses that they live in?
    Yeah offcourse we own everything here. There is even a law in faroe Islands that forbids foreigners (including danish) to own more than 49% of any company.
    Some social/state entities are still administered in denmark such as police and court. But it´s faroese people who work on those places.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    Does Faroese politics tend to follow the capitalist/socialist false dilemma?
    I´m not sure of what you mean there? Faroe Islands is rather modern and the living standard is the second highest in the north (only Norway is richer than we are).
    Faroe Islands is maybe a bit more isolated than rest of europe, and not nearly as urban than rest of europe.
    But faroe Islands is not a places where you´ll find people praising THor and Odin and believing in trolls. We´re not old fashined.

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    I was impressed with the cleanliness and natural beauty of the Faroe Islands when I visited briefly this summer (the Westmanna Bird Cliffs are well worth the trip alone!) The local people we spoke with were proud of their history of parliamentary government which they claim may even pre-date Iceland's. (Their elected representatives meet in a small, unobtrusive building, and evidently do not consider themselves the privileged elite, as in America.)
    I can understand why many would seek independence and more complete control over their affairs. It would be a tragedy to lose the unique nature of small but praiseworthy nations like the Faroe Islands in a drive to globalize everything in the name of convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slætartind View Post
    Yeah offcourse we own everything here. There is even a law in faroe Islands that forbids foreigners (including danish) to own more than 49% of any company.
    Some social/state entities are still administered in denmark such as police and court. But it´s faroese people who work on those places.


    I´m not sure of what you mean there? Faroe Islands is rather modern and the living standard is the second highest in the north (only Norway is richer than we are).
    Faroe Islands is maybe a bit more isolated than rest of europe, and not nearly as urban than rest of europe.
    But faroe Islands is not a places where you´ll find people praising THor and Odin and believing in trolls. We´re not old fashined.
    It does not sound as though nationalist economics would have much to offer the Faroe Islands, so you have been left debating fiscal matters.

    If wealth is well distributed and the economy is well protected and dynamic, and your immigrants are few, then your situation is near ideal.

    What I really meant to say was capitalist/socialist dichotomy:

    You must surely have some individual politicians (in the pay of big business) who are in favour of free market liberalization and reforms, who disagree with laws which forbid foreign ownership beyond 49% and so forth. If you have state utilities, they may want them privatised.

    You must also have some politicians who are socialists or even communists.

    These materialistic ideologies are the twin destroyers of national integrity and national progress, especially when employed simultaneously and in most European countries politicians of these groups have campaigned to encourage immigration and that has been to our detriment.

    My interest is in knowing whether or not the Faroe Islands have traitor politicians, or even a nationalist counter-movement which thinks beyond the issue of independence or union with respect to Denmark and considers matters such as immigration and economic nationalism and fair distribution of wealth to be the key issues.

    What I am asking is:

    Is there any case for nationalism in your country?

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