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    "Holy" Inquisition?




    The Holy Inquisitions
    The Church
    "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity."
    - Pope Innocent III
    The Inquisition was an ecclesiastical court and process of the Roman Catholic Church setup for the purpose towards the discovery and punishment of heresy which wielded immense power and brutality in medieval and early modern times. The Inquisitions function was principally assembled to repress all heretics of rights, depriving them of their estate and assets which became subject to the ownership of the Catholic treasury, with each relentlessly sought to destroy anyone who spoke, or even thought differently to the Catholic Church. This system for close to over six centuries became the legal framework throughout most of Europe that orchestrated one of the most confound religious orders in the course of mankind.


    Inquisition Procedure
    At root the word Inquisition signifies as little of evil as the primitive "inquire," or the adjective inquisitive, but as words, like persons, lose their characters by bad associations, so "Inquisition" has become infamous and hideous as the name of an executive department of the Roman Catholic Church.

    All crimes and all vices are contained in this one word Inquisition. Murder, robbery, arson, outrage, torture, treachery, deceit, hypocrisy, cupidity, holiness. No other word in all languages is so hateful as this one that owes its abhorrent preeminence to its association with the Roman Church.

    In the Dark Side of Christian History, Helen Ellerbe describes how the same men who had been both prosecutor and judge decided upon the sentence of heresy. Once an Inquisitor arrived to a heresy-ridden district, a 40 day period of grace was usually allowed to all who wished to confess by recanting their faith.

    After this period of grace had finished, the inhabitants were then summoned to appear before the Inquisitor. Citizens accused of heresy would be woken in the dead of night, ordered, if not gagged, and then escorted to the holy edifice, or Inquisition prison for closer examination.

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    Have anyone heard or read about the "Holy" Inquisition? It been argued that the Dark Age was caused by the Roman Church, therefore in my opinion Christianity destroyed the Romans. What all of you say about this ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Have anyone heard or read about the "Holy" Inquisition?
    I've read a bit about it but I didn't find it very interesting and consequently I can't recall much detail about it right now. It was certainly one of the darker periods in European history.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    It been argued that the Dark Age was caused by the Roman Church, therefore in my opinion Christianity destroyed the Romans. What all of you say about this ? [/SIZE][/FONT]
    That I don't really agree with. The eastern Roman empire, Byzantium, survived the West by almost 1000 years and was Christian for, I think, all of it.

    The simplest reason why the Western Roman Empire fell is that, the West was not only not as rich as the East, but also not as densely populated and had a much longer border to defend against hostile Germanic tribes than had the East.

    The Eastern Empire shared borders with Various other kingdoms and empires rather than with warring tribes, and these kingdoms could be negotiated with and treaties made would generally be kept at least for a decade or two.This was usually long enough for the Empire to catch it's breath, and regroup it forces.

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    Yes it contributed but the main factor was the centralised form of government that the Romans had wich was unadequated to their vast Empire. It also colided with their form of citizenship wich only brought distaste to the various dominated people.
    About the Inquisition we can say that it was a form of terror, of control by the church. A form to establish power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    When I first saw this picture I thought it was a Satanic sacrifice. Coincidence? eyes: No, both Satanism and Christianism have the same root.

    Yes, I've heard about the "Holy" Inquisition, although I'm not sure if it was really as cruel as it's depicted. Probably it was.

    However, I think these acts shows as how contradicting is Christianism.

    If God is pure love, why does he demand such cruel punishments? Is he really a blood thirsty god? If he's almighty, what is he afraid of? a bunch of infidels should be nothing against him.

    Well, maybe they are nothing against him, but they may be a danger to the Christian priests, who were the domineering class, even above the warrior social class.

    I think the main purpose of Inquisition was to mantain the Clerecy power and that all that "God will punish you" thing was just the cover to justify it (a tactic that is still used today but with other excuses, i.e. USA wanting to invade Iran). And how can you make it possible?, by producing fear to your potencial enemies. A fanatized mind isn't able to think and open a question mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafner View Post
    When I first saw this picture I thought it was a Satanic sacrifice. Coincidence? eyes: No, both Satanism and Christianism have the same root.
    If the same root, it is in the defensive reflex of human nature. Satanism is a reaction against the modern homogenized, sanitized, commercialized, globalized, liberal version of Christianity and modern society.

    The inquisition in Germanic countries was mainly an attempt by the ruling authorities to get rid of dissidents. In Iberia, the Inquisition was a preservationist movement to rid the country of jews and muslims left over from the Moorish conquests, although this too later devolved into a statist mechanism.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fafner View Post
    If God is pure love, why does he demand such cruel punishments? Is he really a blood thirsty god? If he's almighty, what is he afraid of? a bunch of infidels should be nothing against him.
    The 'God of pure love' is a recent concoction, a reflection of modern liberal culture. Back in the middle ages, European folk were a lot more hard-edged, thus the god which represented them was rather hard-edged as well. Really, nothing changed much from the pagan times. The early Inqusition and Crusades were nationalist movements, and Kings still ruled by 'divine right' even if they no longer claimed to be directly descended from the gods.
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    Christianity destroyed Romans? you mean, Imperium Romanum I suppose? I think barbarians would destroy Romans anyway, whatever if they would believe Mithra or Jesus, its always about money, not the religion or philosophy. And then christianity played a large role in uniting barbarian tribes.

    "Divine rights" was two-edged too. Cause, if the pope was the manager of crown, if he was the one to give the largest "god's grace", king was his servant. The rebirth of roman law helped them to free themselves from pope's law.

    Church had large land territories, in same or similiar way as laic feudal lord. They wanted to protect it. Thats why they looks for some explanation in old teologist (s. Augustine) writings or in H.Bible. Same later, they wanted to have a monopoly for the knowledge, they burned anyone who said things, that was consider as dangerous for doctrine or "old order". Evolution, excisted or not, it would be hard to explain, so, well, "let's ban it" same with Copernicus or Galileo idea of solar system. And so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatt View Post
    Christianity destroyed Romans?

    Yes that's what I meant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatt View Post
    Christianity destroyed Romans? you mean, Imperium Romanum I suppose? I think barbarians would destroy Romans anyway, whatever if they would believe Mithra or Jesus, its always about money, not the religion or philosophy. And then christianity played a large role in uniting barbarian tribes.
    In a certain degree the "barbarians" had brought the deathblow to the Western Empire. However Rome it self had already been hollowed out for a long time. The growing bread and gamesp-system in the capital, the shriking willingnis of the Roman citizen to serve in the army, shriking birthrates, an undermining of traditional Roman/Indo-European values, ect.

    Now did Christianity severly crippeld Rome. Now that is an other question. Where we should ask ourselves if the early Christian leaders had an intrest in undermining the Empire to further their own (religous) agenda.

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    Imperium Romanum was huge, universal state. Whatever, lower social classes were exploited by rich and powerful. Whatever, culture of Rome was more Hellenic, than original latin, whats more, they never made full use of hellenic intelectual achievments. The Christianity came with new organisation, with help to the poor and work around basilicas. Saint Augustine lived in time, when Imperium was falling, and the new powers were rising. The big consumptive society collapsed. What came after that? Barbaric tribes, primitive states. Even in times of Karl der Groβe, the State had problems with own exisctence as a politic creation.

    Christianity destroyed Romans? Well...I don't want to argue, cause I may be wrong. Whatever, my point of view is a bit different. When barbarians destroyed Rome, crushed old civilisation, when Justinian crushed them, and then barbarians crushed Justinian, West Europe civilisation moved backwards, it was regress of trade and culture. In meantime, Arabic intelectuals translated a huge part of greek literature, Aleksandria in Egypt was still a centre of hellenistic culture, and, the most important thing, Byzantium (christian) was big, proud and rich state. The culture moved from West to Spain, Maroco, Egypt, Byzantium, and they were all using the hellenic heritage. The heritage that rised Romans above other tribes. The heritage, that in later Middle Ages helped to rebirth of our culture. But, we can't forget, that Christianity helped to survive this heritage during long time of intelectual darkness. St. Thomas, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, St. Bonaventura, they all used Aristoteles and neoplatonic ideas to enrich christian doctrine.

    More- in Middle Ages, most educated people were clerics, priests, abbots, monks. Also canonical law was most advanced law system in West, and it helped to rebirth the roman law. If we go this way of thinking, they helped to start education in Bologna in Italia and other law Universities. So, it was christianity that saved roman law, not Kaiser, not barbaric tribes.

    Idea of Christian universal state was the main idea of Karl der Groβe in creation his state. Universality of this state was taken from universal Roman Empire.

    I'm not Christian myself, I think this religion made big harm to wonderful culture of ancients, which I prefer as a root of European civilisation. And maybe yes, maybe it has it's own part in destroying ancients, but, we cant deny Christianity a main role in saving and rebirth of this culture. Its not simple, cause same Christianity wanted to burn own childrens. Same Christianity is always a one or two steps before any intelectual movement in Europe, but, in early Middle Age, it was one step forward, cause they knew how to read and write

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    Yeah, if you look at Paul's epistle to the Romans, it opens up with a diatribe condemning all sorts of degenerate practices, indicating that these were already going on. Christianity began as a pacifist movement in the early part, when it appealed to the underclass, but then it was taken up by the Roman emporers as the state religion under which their same old practices continued, as far as I can tell there is no major collective distinction between the pre-Christian and post-Christian emporers of Rome
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