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    Britain is 50% Germanic on the male line or Y-chromosome. This means according to a study done by the University College of London in 2011, biologists after studying a segment of the Y-chromosome which occur in almost all Danish and northern German males, found this to be common in Great Britain. Now if we separate the British by countries, the English are over 50% Germanic on the male line.
    So the answer to your question is that the English are essentially a Germanic people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    So what he ment?




    Ok, but how it how it makes Britons Nordic? Do you have a quote from Lundman that Britons are Nordic, not NE England and neighbouring SE Scotland population, but all Britons?



    Britons have more than 30% of pure brown eyes and very little fair and light-brown hair. Most of blondism is concentrated in SE, where CI and NI are higher.

    There are parts in Britain which are remarkably Med, but the Med element is widespread all over Britain.

    Once again, even if we recognize Swedes as ideal Nordics (well, they're far from the Nordic ideal) Britons are waaaaay less depigmented, and closer to Italians. How they can be Nordic? Or yu want to say that dark brown shades and brown and heavily mixed eyes are Nordic? Swedish anthropologists beg to differ.

    Sure, NE England and SE Scotland are Nordic for Lundman, as eastern coasts of Britain are very close to Scandinavia when it comes to pigmentation...



    First of all, it's obvious that Nyssen was talking about Nordids, not Nordics. For Nyssen and, for example, for Guenther the Nordid type included UP and mixed Nordic/UP types as well.

    Second, Nyssen is obviously a lay man.

    He wrote that "The English population of today must be regarded as Nordic due to the tall stature, fair hair, and long headedness"

    Well, where did he see fair hair? It was just a figment of his imagination.

    Guenther was right when he was talking about the Med presence in Britain.

    http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoechap6.htm



    He underestimated the Med presence thou. There are 30% of only pure Meds (= 30% of brown eyes), but a lot more of Med blood is diluted in individuals of heavily mixed eyes. So for sure the Med component is signficantly more than 30%.



    How he had it? do you have a quote?
    Corrections! By the way, less than 30% of Britons have brown eyes. This is well confirmed by a recent study done in 2014 by the BritainsDNA project. The overall eye colour for Britain is 48% blue, 30% green, 22% brown. This translates as 78% for light eyes (blue/green) and with blue as the most common eye colour in Britain. This in turn is obviously lighter-eyed than the German average, though northern Germany is similar, still lighter-eyed than the Dutch average. It is also true that the Mediterranean genomic component in the British population to be lower than that of Germany has also been proven by the National Geographic Genographic Project.

    Mediterranean Genomic elements various European populations:
    Denmark = 30%
    Britain = 33%
    Germany = 36%
    Sardinia ( Italy) = 67%
    Thus, England is more Nordid than Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    A pretty absurd claim. The English are more related to the Belgians and Dutch genetically than to any other ethnicities. How related the English are physically to Germans is irrelevant. The English are obviously similar in appearance to the Dutch -- at least rural English are -- and the Dutch are Germanic. We also have a good proportion of indigenous British blood, which is why genetic distances between English and Scots and Irish are much lower than between continental Europeans and the Scots and Irish. It's sad that extremists on both sides of the issue discount, or feel animosity towards, a large part of their own heritage.
    True, the English are physically quite similar to the Dutch, Danish and Flemish people.
    The percentage of fair hair in the Netherlands is quite similar to that of England, contrary to what some ignorant people say.
    % of blonds in the Netherlands
    Netherlands-North
    Friesland = 43.1%
    Groningen = 41.2%
    Drenthe = 39.4%
    Netherlands-Central
    North Holland = 31.2%
    South Holland = 31.4%
    Gelderland = 34.4%
    Netherlands-South
    Utrecht = 20.1%
    Zeeland = 28.4%
    North Brabant = 22.3%
    Limburg = 21.8
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    England - South East
    Berkshire = 34%
    Buckinghamshire = 37%
    East Sussex = 44%
    Hampshire = 41%
    Isle of Wight = 33%
    Kent = 38%
    Oxfordshire = 34%
    Surrey = 34%
    West Sussex = 22%

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    I'm so sick and fed up with some of these geneticists and people in general saying that the English/Scottish/Northern Irish are not really Germanic. How in hell did we get our overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon language and culture without significant Germanic dna. Doesn't make any sense at all. I think it is a movement to undermine Germanic people. I'm so happy we have these forums to fight back and reclaim our heritage and identity. Thank you Skadi for existing.

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    Apologies if I already commented on this last year, it's been a while since I posted. People on here claiming Britain isn't Germanic are idiots. Recent genetic studies have confirmed that British ancestry is at least 50% Germanic. This is a high percentage, as it doesn't take several things into account: The study was carried out across Britain, i.e. it includes the Celtic nation, it also likely the case that both extreme stances on Anglo-Saxon settlement are wrong - they didn't "wipe out" all the Celts, but it wasn't some tiny elite "apartheid" government either, the extent to which they did wipe out Celts varied, and in some counties medieval accounts and genetic evidence indicate they did pretty much wipe out the populace in some areas. They also would have come over with families like the Norsemen did. Considering the extent to which both the Celtic expansion and the Norse slave trade affected the rest of Europe, you'd probably find a similar figure in other Germanic countries (especially Iceland, as around half their ancestry is British).

    Something else we need to take into account is how misleading genetic differences can be - Icelandic people are considered ethnically distinct from Norwegians because of the 1000 years of isolation, the same applies to Irish gypsies in relation to the common Irish populace. The Celts have origins in the Halstatt culture in modern Austria, so we can safely assume they were originally of the same "Germanic" or Nordic origins. It is only later due to their expansion across Europe that they inherited trace Mediterranean genes. They were still mostly of the same roots as the Anglo-Saxon settlers. Going back further Celtic peoples, Germanic peoples, Slavic peoples, The native Iranian tribes (and by extension Aryans), and according to Thomas Rowsell/Survive the Jive Italians etc as well all have the same origins in the Eastern European steppes around modern Ukraine, Russia and central Asia (which then, before the Turkic expansion west, was still European). Mediterranean peoples have become a bit more mixed ethnically over time, to varying degrees, but the same doesn't apply to modern Celtic populations, in Britain at least.

    On a side note, as someone above brought up Frisians, I found it quite interesting last time I was reading up on the Migration period that the native Frisian population actually either migrated or died out en masse when the lowlands were flooded and water levels rose, the Frisians we know from the Migration period were actually of the same mixture of Angles, Saxons and Jutes that England's Anglo-Saxons were.

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    Different studies give slightly different results. And when you say Germanic you further need to say Germanic from when. It is quite possible that significant numbers of people from Scandinavia and northern Germany migrated to the British Ilses in the Bronze Age and mixed with the proto-Celts. If you class them as Germanic then the English and Scots are about 50% Germanic in origin and the Welsh and Irish about 33% Germanic. If you say that the Germanics began later in the Iron Age then more than one study suggests the figure for the English probably drops to about 33%, counting only the AngloSaxon/Viking input.

    Would a proportion of 1 in 3 AngloSaxon have been enough to completely change the language of Britannia over about 200 years? I imagine it would but we'll probably never know the exact truth of what happened then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    Different studies give slightly different results. And when you say Germanic you further need to say Germanic from when. It is quite possible that significant numbers of people from Scandinavia and northern Germany migrated to the British Ilses in the Bronze Age and mixed with the proto-Celts. If you class them as Germanic then the English and Scots are about 50% Germanic in origin and the Welsh and Irish about 33% Germanic. If you say that the Germanics began later in the Iron Age then more than one study suggests the figure for the English probably drops to about 33%, counting only the AngloSaxon/Viking input.

    Would a proportion of 1 in 3 AngloSaxon have been enough to completely change the language of Britannia over about 200 years? I imagine it would but we'll probably never know the exact truth of what happened then.
    It is not how someone class them! It is a fact that the Germanic people brought a whole new set of paternal lineages with them to Great Britain, these are namely I1, I2a2a-Z161, R1a-L664, R1a-Z284, R1b-U106, to a lesser extent Q1a(Norsemen). These haplogroups now make up over 50% of all male lineages in England and Lowland Scotland. We should also that a large number of Danish Vikings settled northern and eastern England! The area of England which was formely known as Danelaw stretching from Yorkshire and Lancashire to East Anglia and the Midlands. We should not be surprised that since Danelaw was essentially the land of Angles who themselves already came from Denmark, it shouldn't be surprising that this area has the highest incidence of blond hair in the British Isles. Overall England is fairly homogenous in Germanic ancestry, most English counties have been 55% - 65% Germanic Y-DNA haplogroups, while Conwall has 45% and Wales 25%. So the gap is not great, but clearly is found.

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    England was diluted by the annexations of Wales, Cornwall and Cumberland. Rule by French and Spaniards made the land ripe for the Union with Scotland and Ireland, because we were immobilized and unable to incorporate Gaels how was done with Brythons, especially since the Brythons usurped the Throne and remade England along with Scotland into their image, although failing with Ireland. It beats Belgium and Switzerland. If Indo-European solidarity is more important than Nordicism, it's also better than Finland.

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    Something we need to remember is that it is pretty easy to pinpoint distinct ethnic groups that have been here a thousand years. Irish people and Irish gypsies are essentially the same people, but because Irish traveller populations have been mostly keeping to themselves since the middle ages, they have developed a distinct ethnicity, and have recently been legally classes as a separate ethnic group I believe. Celtic populations did live separately from Germanic ones, but these two distinctions are primarily linguistic, not ethnic, as they originally shared the same roots. Literally all that makes Celts different is their language, the centuries of genetic isolation from other Nordic peoples and the trace genes from the Mediterranean.

    We can't take all studies seriously, but the two extreme narratives - that Britain was ruled by an anglo-saxon "elite" and the other that they completely wiped out the Celts in England - are both wrong. On average we're about half and half, but this will vary between counties, and once you take Scotland, Wales and Cornwall out of the equation it's probably more likely 3/4 Anglo-Saxon on average. In some counties, such as Sussex, they may well have massacred the Celts there.

    Ultimately it doesn't matter, because they are the same people anyway. But in terms of those most genetically similar to English people, we are closest to the Dutch, as a result of pre-Celtic settlers as well as Anglo-Saxon settlers. As much as I like ancestry I have noticed that it's default homepage, recently anyway, has this dramatic headline of "the average British person is only 31% British or some bullshit like that. I got an average figure of 71%, most of my ancestry comes from South East England but considering I have considerable parts of Irish and German ancestry, this wasn't a bad result. It does distinguish between Celtic nations and England (I think it lumps England, Cornwall and possibly Wales together). I expect that in reality anyone who is actually English going back generations would get similar results.

    There is probably a strong argument that English people are actually more homogenous than some parts of Scandinavia and Iceland, due to mixing in these areas with Sami and Inuits respectively (or in Iceland's case Inuit genes being transferred back by travellers to Greenland and Vinland). The reality is much of Germany's ancestry is parts Celtic and Slavic as well, so it doesn't matter. All Europeans, Northern and Central Europeans especially, share basically the same roots, just with varying degrees of trace Mediterranean heritage via Celts.

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    ^ I'm not sure what Sigebrond means by Med but all Northwestern Europeans have some (fine scale) genetic crossover with North Africans and West Asians. Perhaps surprisingly, the purest Europeans are probably the Basque people, along with Norwegians, Icelanders and British/Irish. Just follow the geography. Blondness is no guarantee of Europeaness.

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