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    Frederic Nietzche.....some professors believe he sholdn't be taught in college, others say he required reading.

    Don't be fooled, at first reading, it seems as if Nietzche is spewing teenage blasphemies.....but he does have a point of view.

    Here are some key concept to understanding Nietzche.

    The Superman: The superman looks on us, as we look on the ape, said N. The Superman is that individual who is beyond Good and Evil...lives by his own set of rules. Napeleon, Hitler, were Supermen.

    Will to Power: Everybody at whatever level they are at, is praticing Will to Power. The idea of being beating everyone at their own game.
    Many people practice this unconsciously, but the idea is to become the champ or victor...weather your a garbage man, or a CEO. To be the best....

    Democracy: N. was not a big fan of Democracy. He felt the "Herd" mentality was not the smartest, or sharpest way to run a government.

    Civilization: Most great civilizations are built on cruelty. This would seem to be borne out...I think instantly of Rome.

    Christianity: Ironically, N. liked Jesus. Thought he was a tough bastard...to say the things he said, and go thru what he did knowingly. He was very unhappy with the Church, however, who had emasculated the original message and made Christianity anti life, anti joy, anti sex.

    Plato and Socrates: He really hated what many people who believe to be history's greatest philosophers. He felt that the Greek "Search for Excellence" actually stifled the wild, true nature of man.

    well, thats all I can think of now...


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    Post Re: Brother Nieztche...Beyond Good and Evil

    Originally posted by Calm Rain

    Plato and Socrates: He really hated what many people who believe to be history's greatest philosophers. He felt that the Greek "Search for Excellence" actually stifled the wild, true nature of man.
    This is quite interesting, I think Plato and Socrates are two of the greatest philosophers. What were Nietszche objections to their philosophy?

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    Plato was a totalitarian statist that believed in other worlds. I imagine that is a pretty good reason why Nietzsche hated him. You forgot to explain how Nietzsche believed Egalitarianism and Socialism/Communism grew out of Christianity, the Jewish origin of slave morality, and eventually turned against God and developed into its own ethical system.

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    Originally posted by Calm Rain
    Frederic Nietzche.....some professors believe he sholdn't be taught in college, others say he required reading.

    Don't be fooled, at first reading, it seems as if Nietzche is spewing teenage blasphemies.....but he does have a point of view.

    Here are some key concept to understanding Nietzche.

    The Superman: The superman looks on us, as we look on the ape, said N. The Superman is that individual who is beyond Good and Evil...lives by his own set of rules. Napeleon, Hitler, were Supermen.

    Will to Power: Everybody at whatever level they are at, is praticing Will to Power. The idea of being beating everyone at their own game.
    Many people practice this unconsciously, but the idea is to become the champ or victor...weather your a garbage man, or a CEO. To be the best....

    Democracy: N. was not a big fan of Democracy. He felt the "Herd" mentality was not the smartest, or sharpest way to run a government.

    Civilization: Most great civilizations are built on cruelty. This would seem to be borne out...I think instantly of Rome.

    Christianity: Ironically, N. liked Jesus. Thought he was a tough bastard...to say the things he said, and go thru what he did knowingly. He was very unhappy with the Church, however, who had emasculated the original message and made Christianity anti life, anti joy, anti sex.

    Plato and Socrates: He really hated what many people who believe to be history's greatest philosophers. He felt that the Greek "Search for Excellence" actually stifled the wild, true nature of man.

    well, thats all I can think of now...
    I just bought "Anti-Christ" by Nietzche. I'm eager to finish reading it.

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    Calm Rain: "... Nietzsche.....some professors believe he sholdn't be taught in college, others say he required reading.

    Don't be fooled, at first reading, it seems as if Nietzche is spewing teenage blasphemies.....but he does have a point of view."

    Not only does he have a point of view, but one which liberal egalitarians shrink from.

    Few philosophers gain in stature after their death. Certainly the likes of Bacon and Kant took time to fully appreciate (or hate ). Likewise, Nietzsche's message which is buried in his often enigmatic style is gaining strength and attention. Even hard science is taking a look.

    http://www.msubillings.edu/modlang/b...ableofcontents

    Modern academic philosophers, living in their cloistered, in-bred, politically correct world, have nothing say. It's debatable as to whether they have a unique thought among the lot of them.
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    I am interested in getting to know more of Nietzsche's Philosophy, or rather I would like to get started on his Philosophy. What do you suggest I read first to build a basis for an understanding of his Ideas?

    Also, I read a book which is a collection of articles by what I would term as a Catholic Fundamentalist, and he referred to Nietzsche's Thus spoka Zarathustra as a Demonic book. Could you give reasons of why such a description?

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    Nietzsche was extremely anti-Christian and believed it to be an alien Jewish system that weakened Europeans. Therefore, Christians despise him. To get started reading Nietzsche, I would suggest Also Sprach Zarathustra (Thus Spake Zarathustra) and Jenseits von Gut und Böse (Beyond Good and Evil).

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    Thanks for the suggestions and explanation. Is it Thus spOke Zarathustra or Thus spAke Zarathustra? Beyond good and evil sounds the book to read for me, to understands Nietzsche's Morality Ideas.

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    The title is usually translated as Thus Spake Zarathustra, maybe because it is archaic, old-fashioned English and that gives the title more significance or something.

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    Nietzsche was great philosopher that supported godless essence, and he was clear antichristian. He also thought that man is just a link between monkey and superman, and that, probably according to evolution, man must not stop mental and physical development, and that man must gravitate to SUPERMAN.

    I advise you to read ''Thus spake Zarathustra''and also ''Antichrist''.

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