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    Modernization/Technology: Good or Bad?

    Modernisation has caused quite alot of controversy globally. It is slowly progressing in third world countries as they have emerged as being highly competitive, they want to try and develop like the fist world countries. It has become necessary for change as whole. Technological advancement has come about as a result of modernisation, it has helped increase productivity and it has increased efficiency. Modernisation is virtually good in third world countries because they become more successful, in the case of introduction in technology there is greater flexibility of work because of machinery that has become advanced there is a vast decrease in the exploitation of workers to a large extent. There is higher profitability and therefore economic stability. Employees have better skills and knowledge therefore creating more employement opportunities for them. It creates specialisation and a higher distributive capacity were society benefits from good services like new tax mechanisms. There are new patterns of socialisation as well.

    Modernisation causes some problems in these developing countries. it creates an identity crisis people are influenced by the western cultures and this comes into conflict with their traditional cultures. Modernisation leads to a loss of morals and a crisis whereby there is a large division between the poor and the rich creating a capitalist society were there is reduced equality and relative deprivation is aroused. Modernisation comes hand in hand with urbanisation which creates problems like pollution, crime unemployement and other problems that become hard to deal with. Modernisation bas both benefits and drawbacks to countries.

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    A number of competing theories on the environmental consequences of globalization and modernization and environmental degradation have been proposed over the last several decades.
    These debates include:

    1. Neoliberal theories [“economic production is not necessarily as connected to natural resource exploitation as many believe” 534];
    2. Economic theories i.e. environmental Kuznets curve (EKC) hypothesis [negative environmental impacts follow an inverted U curve during the modernization process];
    3. Ecological modernization [less negative environmental impact as modernization ideas are diffused through the institutions of developing countries];
    4. Neo-Marxist and [modernization drives environmental degradation];
    5. world-systems theory [wealthy core dominate global economy and utilize a disproportionate share of the world’s natural resources];
    6. Metabolic rift thesis [urbanization will consistently lead to the expansion of energy production and environmental degradation].

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    Do you think modernization is a good or bad thing? Or both? Why? Many people in nationalist circles praise traditional living and escapism to nature, but would you really want to do it? Give up your TV, Internet, washing machine, car and the like? Isn't it anachronical to live like our ancestors did 100 years ago? Are the consequences of modernization outlined above inevitable?

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    The main problem is over-population.

    European & East-Asian insights and technology enable other peoples to flourish.

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    Our ancestors didn't try to hold back the tide of progress, and neither should we, some parts of progress are desirable and some not. As a totally wild example we could cure the population problem by

    a, terraforming another planet

    b, losing all medical technology

    both would work in totally different ways, besides which, on a selfish level I don't want to have to do the washing by hand and live in the dark, dying at 30 odd!
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    It's something we have to live through, and hopefully will educate us as a race/species, enabling us to rebuild on a surer footing in future. The results of our present follies might help us avoid such things later. Optimism... How odd of me!

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    It is a tradeoff. One key aspect of modernization is the pressure towards systematization that erodes traditional ways of life as much as the purely economic transformation toward converting land, labor, and just about everything into commodities to buy and sell. Systematization is something we take very much for granted in that it is what gives us names and addresses - originally to enable tax collectors and military recruiters to find us easily but now are central parts of our identities. It makes it much easier for states to deal with such major problems as epidemics but at an enormous cost.
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    The technological advancements are good, but they've also caused society to change, which sometimes heads in the wrong direction.

    For example, with technology being more complex, a higher level of education is needed to function and achieve a good job, which means that people are often dependent on their parents until their 20s, and thus do not mature until later in life. This has caused problems in relation to sexuality as people still mature physically at the same age but not mentally until much later. Many women don't decide to settle down and have children until a much later age around which it is too late, and many men live with their parents until age 30 or even older.

    Medical technology also plays a role in this, as both parents and children live to much older ages, and the retirement age has to be raised. Also, is an issue that we can continue to extend peoples lives, but at what cost? Currently 1/7 of the US economy is related to medical. Sure, you might live 5 or 10 extra years, but you give up whatever you would otherwise have spent the money you spend on health insurance and taxes: vacations, cars, boats, things that would make you enjoy your youth and middle ages more. If the retirement age keeps going up along with the cost of medical care, you get a situation where everyone is working longer and harder just to live a bit longer, a sort of 'quality vs quantity' issue in terms of years lived.

    Another example is that electricity and modern appliances reduced the workload on women enormously and allowed women without young children to hold down full time jobs, also most jobs today do not require strenuous physical activity, whereas in the past they did. This was good because it made lives easier for women and gave them more choices, however gave fuel to feminist ideology which claimed that there was no difference between the genders and that both should be treated the exact same by society in all aspects. In many cases this meant the lowering of standards for jobs which still required physical labor (military, firefighter, etc) and for government intervention trying to achieve the same average income for both genders.
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    Our ancestors were very progressive. Had they been opposed to modernisation, they we would still be running around with sticks and stones. Compared to changing the whole make-up society from hunter-gatherer nomadism to settled farming and animal domestication, the changes we find ourselves dealing with are fairly miniscule, I should think.

    I am sure that at any given time, many people feared that which was yet unknown. Mankind has always been afraid of the unknown. I am not afraid of the unknown - I am only afraid of its uses. Just as a knife can both feed (slicing bread or beef) and cure (wounds that need treatment by cutting) - it can also be used to murder someone. Likewise, radioactive metals and nuclear power can be used to supply people with energy, but can also be used to annihilate a great number of people in a mass exodus.

    Technology is never evil, it is what man makes of it that makes it good or evil. New times call for new solutions to old problems. We should not be afraid to meet those challenges. We should embrace the advancement they bring, and seek to improve it.

    Yet at the same time we must not forget where we came from, as it were. Technological progress is of importance, but such must not happen to the detriment of our natural surroundings or our heritage: A factory does not need to be built in the most scenic of sites, depositing its waste into a reservoir of water wildlife ... and a motorway does not need to pass through ancient sites of interest.

    Our forebears have left us with both a legacy and a potential for advancement, it is our duty to make the best of both.
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    I accidentally voted for the first option. :o
    I think modernisation is both good and bad. I think we need the new technology but we also need to go out in nature, breathe fresh air and remember the traditions of our ancestors. But we mustn't dream of pasts we can't revive.

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    Generally bad.


    Modernisation has caused quite alot of controversy globally. It is slowly progressing in third world countries as they have emerged as being highly competitive, they want to try and develop like the fist world countries. It has become necessary for change as whole. Technological advancement has come about as a result of modernisation, it has helped increase productivity and it has increased efficiency. Modernisation is virtually good in third world countries because they become more successful, in the case of introduction in technology there is greater flexibility of work because of machinery that has become advanced there is a vast decrease in the exploitation of workers to a large extent. There is higher profitability and therefore economic stability. Employees have better skills and knowledge therefore creating more employement opportunities for them. It creates specialisation and a higher distributive capacity were society benefits from good services like new tax mechanisms. There are new patterns of socialisation as well.
    This tells a great deal about modernization, it's primarily about efficiency, competitiveness, flexibility, opportunity, advancement, technology, productivity. Where is the family, culture, community and people? The major development is urbanisation. Millions of people moving into the cities and being crammed into apartment building- sub urbs that spring up around it. Concrete nightmares where people live inside concrete blocks stacked on top of each other for maximum space usage efficiency. Any vegetation that these people are exposed to is restricted to planned squares of brush or trees surrounded by gravvle. It's all been maticiously planned out to the very last detail.

    This is the modern concept of ideal living:







    As opposed to this:



    Or even this:




    Where is the human value to be found in this development? What happens to the social bonds inbetween members of a supposed community? People become islands, strangers to their own neighbors. Torn from their roots and heritage. And for what? To serve the ever moving wheels of progress and modernization. I think something has been lost along the way here. Something essential to our humanity.

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    I'd say that is more a problem of overpopulation than modernization.

    With modernization we can still have the country houses only with better technology, and I doubt the slums of medieval London were any great place to live
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