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Thread: Modernization/Technology: Good or Bad?

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    Inherently self destructive. Civilization has become a zoo.

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    Are We Better Off with Modern Technology?

    People like Fantasy novels and or RPGs in a Fantasy setting. However are we truly better off with our 21st century technology? In fighting diseases yes, no doubt. However if a hurricane strikes and a large number of people lose their power or even homes most people cannot deal with it at all, let alone come close to handling it like people from ancient times. Does our embrace of technology help us or hurt us? My answer: I think overall it helps but it would be better if we focused on technology that didn't try to mimic sci-fi movies. Researching better ways to grow food, focusing on health, focusing on energy, and most of all ways to make us more productive without killing jobs. One way of being more productive without killing jobs is instead of making machines to stock things (Pharmacies looked into that however I do not know how far it has come along), better ways calculating and being able to transport goods more effective is better path. Your thoughts?

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    Without modern technology most of us would die off so it depends who you mean by "we." With stone age technology, no more than maybe a couple million could survive in Europe or North America. The more technology, the more people can survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    Without modern technology most of us would die off so it depends who you mean by "we." With stone age technology, no more than maybe a couple million could survive in Europe or North America. The more technology, the more people can survive.
    Well I do not mean Stone Age technology or even technology during our very early farming periods. Sorry I didn't explain it better. I have a bad habit of being too focused and that leads to me not explaining things fully.

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    There are positives and negatives to nearly everything and this includes technology. On the one hand it saves lives, makes our lives more convenient, allows for a wider dissemination of knowledge than at any point in the past, can help the weak protect themselves against the strong or vicious, and so on.

    On the other hand, by saving more lives we are being lead to overpopulation and possible dysgenic population growth, it makes us lazier and less healthy, it allows for the spread of degenerate media and propaganda, or can allow those who normally would not be able to harm others bring harm to others (giving cowards and weaklings access to deadly force with firearms, etc.)

    One thing we must ask ourselves in relation to this question and all other questions is what the purpose of our lives are: what is the objective meaning, if any, to being human? Personally I concur with the traditional answer which is that life is a spiritual journey. Does technology help or hinder that purpose? It has the possibility of helping but it seems to me in many regards it does more harm than good, both as a distraction or by deepening illusion as well as uprooting man from his integration into the natural order and its various cycles. This in turn leads to further depression, lack of satisfaction, lack of sense of purpose, lack of health, etc. much in the same way the free-spirited wolf or tiger removed from his habitat and put in a zoo will be dispirited.

    Ultimately suffering and death is a part of being human or life on Earth and while technology may ease that in some regard, it can never remove that or lead us to transcend that. Thus a technologically deprived society which leads to transcendence is superior, a technologically advanced society which pulls us away from that goal is inferior. If a balance between technology and spirituality can be found perhaps this is best...but the question is, what is a good balance in that regard? Ancient Greece? Renaissance Europe? It certainly isn't anything in the past few centuries that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
    Well I do not mean Stone Age technology or even technology during our very early farming periods. Sorry I didn't explain it better. I have a bad habit of being too focused and that leads to me not explaining things fully.
    The point remains, the more technology, the more people can survive. If you want to turn back the technological clock 100 years, far fewer people can survive compared to now. That may even be good for humanity in the long run, but not for one group that gives up the tech alone.

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    Can we have Technology without the Modernization?

    The problem with modern technology is that it is doomed to failures unless we know how to do things manually. I have been to a bank and store far too many times when their "system" is down and the clerks can't do anything. I know this is just an example, but really how many of you could go from having electricity to blackout and still flourish or even survive?

    Much has been lost in our arts and craft, in the days before the industrial revolution when things were made by hand people took the time to add beauty to their works, little scrolls, carvings, and other adornments. These things spoke loudly who we were and where we came from. Modernization has killed the life we put into the things we crafted and needed.

    I'm not opposed to technology, otherwise I would not be here typing on this laptop enjoying a cold glass of water and seeing with an electric light. However to some great degree we have lost our identities with mass production and always looking for the cheaper, faster, better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    However to some great degree we have lost our identities with mass production and always looking for the cheaper, faster, better.

    Yes. And what's worst, the majority of people buy newer, faster, better devices so they can post pictures of their naked butts on instacrap in HD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mööv View Post
    Yes. And what's worst, the majority of people buy newer, faster, better devices so they can post pictures of their naked butts on instacrap in HD.
    Hear, Hear, I hate that snap chat and Instagram, in fact I don't even like texting all that well. Phone is just fine, I can read emotions by voice, not text.

    does this mean I'm getting old.
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    I'm not quite decided on this one, could be somewhere in between. It depends on how we use it, first and foremost I think.

    Why it could be good:

    Increase in quality of life, technological and medical progress, longer lifespans

    Economic development.

    Easier access to information, easier to gain knowledge.

    Replacing human workforce so less wage slavery, more efficient jobs done by machines. Less physical strain of people who have to work hard manual labor.

    Speed and accuracy of production, better accessibility to products, cheaper prices. Better profitability.

    Advanced infrastructure and communications, better reach and cooperation between people. Concentration of everything in the same place.

    Environmentally friendly innovations to create and conserve energy.

    Smart cities.

    Exporation of space and prospects of existence outside our planet.

    Why it could be bad:

    Loss of culture - especially if that culture was more traditional or in touch with nature, you replace it by MTV, McDonalds, video games, reality TV, which are all sedentary cultures

    Loss of morals and values - modern culture is shallow, it's about shopping and about consuming

    Physically and mentally unhealthy - sedentary lifestyles and zombie-like states. Hard to keep up, mental distractions.

    Overpopulation due to the progresses in medicine, deforestation, pollution to produce much of the modern technology

    Unemployment because of the robotization.

    We overuse and become dependent on it - too much increase in hygiene and germophobia leads to making our immune systems less resistent to microbes, the same with antibiotics, if we overuse them they're not as effective. Everything being computerized, if the computer breaks down, the rest doesn't function and we can't fixit the conventional way.

    We no longer appreciate the beauty of nature.

    It could take away our human value.

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