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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Was German national socialism dishonourable because it promoted the German people against the interests of others, and yet bitched and screamed while the Jews were doing the same via socialist movements?
    Having had a few hours sleep I promise I won't confuse you with another person who also replied to my post

    To the point, NS Germany AFAIK tried to encourage Zionism, a homeland. It just didn't like Zionists or Jews interfering in German affairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    I don't. What do you think of Europeans owning the world a hundred years ago? Was that a bad thing?

    Yes, and I state that quite openly folks. It was imperialis, exploitation. It was one of the reasons the West has got its immigration problems now. Hubris, that's what I see. Dishonorable conduct.

    But since we don't agree about honor and all its consequences we won't agree about this either.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    They're getting masses of votes in the working class 'red belt' which used to be controlled by the Communist Party, and Le Pen's FN was the second largest party in the entire country last presidential election.
    So what? My point was they won't create the type of Aryan society I desire - one of honor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack

    LOL. Like pie-in-the-sky rubbish is going to save the white race from hordes of non-whites.

    I'm interested in evolving the Aryan race - not "saving" it as it is now or was in the bad old days of tyraninical kings (and queens!) and empires. If that means a smaller race, then that will be. What's important to me is honor and duty to one's folk, or race.

    If "saving the white race means" means acting dishonorably, then I won't do what is dishonorable even if some Whites perish.

    Again, it's not about numbers, it's about honor and duty. But we disagree here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    non-whites bearing the banner of Islam who stand against European values.
    What are these "European values"? I's say our true values are honor, loyalty and duty. Not the materialism of the capitalist way. And not the might is right barbaric morality either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Haha, I'm pro-zionist.
    No surprise there then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    I want the Jews to have their own country so that can stop annoying the shit out of Europeans.
    The problem is not "the Jews" but Zionism which is about much more than a simple homeland for Jews in Palestine.

    Zionism is about dominating the area; its about social engineering societies; it's about control the West, as witness the NWO. Check out http://www.israelshamir.net/english/ and especially the article The Shadow of Zog

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack

    Not one of the eight Jews I know personally has ever bitched about the holocaust.
    The crucial point is that the holocaust is a myth, a lie, and has been and is being used to stifle dissent and National Socialism and Aryan idenity. It's the basis for "thought-crime" laws. Here's a quote from one of my favorite authors:

    Crucial to this control of people's minds has been the lie of the holocaust. With the lie, the Zionists were able to occupy Palestine, dispossess the Palestinians in a brutal way, and maintain an evil military occupation of Palestinian lands, all without any effective opposition from the world whatsoever. Whatever atrocities the Zionists have committed in Palestine - and there are a multitude - and whatever new atrocities they commit, the nations of the West turn a blind eye, cowered as they are by the lie of the holocaust and mentally controlled as they are by the Zionist created ideas which underlie their crypto-Marxist States: the ideas of usury, of Marxism, of a sex-obsessed Freudian psychology, of sociology (Durkheim; Levi-Strauss). Such is the infestation of the societies of the West by Zionist ideas that a nation like Britain now has well over a million "social workers" who swarm around enforcing crypto-Marxist social policies and brainwashing the inhabitants with crypto-Marxist dogma.

    With this lie of the holocaust, the Zionists have created - through American and European aid and help - a powerful military machine in Palestine which is superior to that of any of its neighbours, thus assuring an on-going and overwhelming Zionist military superiority.

    Palestine is central to the aims for Zionism, for Zionists see it as the centre of the new world order they wish to create: their base of operations; their safe haven; their spiritual home from which their fellow Zionists can draw inspiration, and to which they go and live if they ever need to or want to.

    For Zionists sincerely believe they have a God-given right not only to Palestine, but also to govern the world. As the then Chief Rabbi of Great Britain, Dr. Jakobovits, said, in an unguarded moment: "the Jews were chosen... and Israel [and thus Zionism] has a special place as an instrument to effect the Jew's social engineering upon the world." [Interview published in The Guardian newspaper (London) on 7th August 1982] Source - Palestine, Islam, The West, and the Zionist Quest for World Domination


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Go live without modern medicine, cars, roads, planes, heating, tv, guns, metal like the zulus did and claim you don't appreciate it.
    Go read stuff like Why We Must Return to the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Read Aristotle, Kant or Rand if you want 'reason', not the Qu'ran LOL.
    Done that, including Rand, the Jewish author.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    What's honour got to do with 'facts'?
    Read my carefully worded reply in my previous reply to you.

    BTW true justice is the justice of honor. At least according to my world-view.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    I'm dealing with those who call themselves Muslims.
    No, you dealing with SOME who may call themselves Muslims and with others who are called Muslims by some WN but who may or may not be actual Muslims - i..e. who may or may not support the five pillars of Islam.

    It's the age old fallacy of generalization - or should I say prejudice - from a few bad examples.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    I have not heard of a single Anglo-Australian rapist. All of the rapists I've heard of in my country are either Lebanese, Vietnamese, Turkish, Aboriginal or African black.
    You're saying there's never been a White Australian rapist?? LOL!

    Here's the news from the New World and old Europe - there's plenty of Whire rapists around.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack

    Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people for a homeland in the middle east.
    It's much more than that. See my reply above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Just whose side are you on?
    National Socialism, if it's of any interest. The way of honor, loyalty and duty to one's kindred. This is not, repeat not the way of some gang of cowardly bullies who kick the **** out of some non-Whites when they outnumber them.

    Or maybe I should say I'm on the side of the evolved, reasonable, honorable, "revisionist" NS of the likes of Dave Myatt who states:

    What has hitherto not been very well understood in respect of National-Socialism, is that it is not race which defines our humanity - it is honour and reason. Race is our relation to Nature: how Nature is expressed, is manifest, in us. As such race is important and indeed vital; but so is honour. It is the combination of an acceptance of both race and honour which is National-Socialism. An affirmation of race without an affirmation honour is not National-Socialism, just as an affirmation of honour without an affirmation of race is not National-Socialism. It is this living, organic, dialectic of honour and race which defines National-Socialism itself, and a National-Socialist is an individual who strives to do their honourable duty to both their own race and Nature herself, of which other human races are a part. That is, a National-Socialist must always be honourable, whatever the consequences, or the perceived consequences. Quite often, this means a National-Socialist is faced with what seems to be difficult choices and difficult decisions, although in reality if National-Socialism itself is properly understood, there is no conflict, no moral dilemma and no difficulty in doing the right, the honourable, thing.

    Thus if something, some act or deed, seems to affirm race - or be beneficial to one’s race - but is dishonourable, then that something is not something a National-Socialist should do. What honour does is define our duty to our race and other races - it prevents us from committing hubris: that is, prevents us from “overstepping the mark”, from being insolent toward Nature and “the gods” (or God). Source - Esoteric Hitlerism: Idealism, the Third Reich and the Essence of National-Socialism


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Do you even draw a line between Europe and the Arab world?
    No, because I consider Europe, as is and was, belongs to the past. The old nation States are irrelevant. We need a true and new ethnic homeland. We should move on, upward; evolve, and have a pan-national Aryanism based upon honor, loyalty, duty to one's folk.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    What's wrong with this?
    It is dishonorable; un-warrior like behaviour. Honor, loyalty, duty - that's the essence of NS, at least to me - a true modern warrior way. These values are the essence of the Jihadi movements - another modern way of the warrior.

    Seems we've lost sight of the original meaning of the post that started this thread - a current, practical and tactical alliance between warriors, whose share the same values but whose way of life differs. Like the article said, we have the same enemies - Zionism and the NWO. Or rather I should say - some WN believe we have the same enemies.

    The essence here - in the article I posted - is about practical action, armed struggle, revolution, Jihad - against Zionism and the NWO. It's not about party politics. It's about real action in the real world.

    The Jihadi movements are engaged in an armed struggle. We WN are not, at the moment it seems. We could be; we perhaps should be; but we are not.

    You and others can talk all you like about party politics and the FN and the BNP or whatever. Go read some articles Colin Jordan wrote some years ago about the stupidity of that approach, or the original White Wolves document (attributed to Dave Myatt) or dave Myatt's own stuff about Aryan revolution (as in the old NSM newsletter, #'s 19, 20 I think, re-published as Why we need an Aryan revolution . Not to mention the banned, illegal A Practical Guide to the Strategy and Tactics of Revolution.

    On the silliness of the party political game for WN let's imagine by some miracle that the FN or the BNP attain power. How long would their government last? Would they be allowed - would it be even possible - to remove all non-Whites? How long before all the propaganda about the new rogue State? How long before the UN, the US imposed sanctions? How long before an invasion on some pretext or other - as happened to Serbia?

    But long before such a group even approaches power you can bet the ZOG in that land will change the rules, make up some new laws, outlaw the Party, or have its leader(s) arrested for some "crime" or on some "corruption" or "tax fraud" charges. And if all that fails, why the Black Ops groups will simply kill the leader.

    ZOG, the NWO is not simply going to hand over power to a bunch of Aryans intent on creating a new ethnic society.

    But we'll disagree, as usual - about almost everything it seems

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Vojvoda
    Interesting website I found.These Iranian national socialists(INSP) are against their Islamic republic

    http://www.geocities.com/irnationalsocialism/

    I've asked some Iranian friends about this and it's their view it's one of the oh so many groups set up by the CIA to sow dissent. It's run from London, UK it seems.


    My view - check it out; is it really NS, what we mean by NS? Does not seem to be...

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    European values still exist even while people are believing in a desert religion. I don't see how Islam is very different, Europeans could easily make it their own without interference from Arabs. Its easiest explained as Unitarianism + Mohammed (:saw). I read the Bible, Quran and Talmud. Quran is more modern, progressive and logical. Muslims make their religion look bad. there is nothing within Quran which would stand out as weird to a Christian, unlike the Talmud which is full of weirdness.

    That said, I don't want non-white Muslim immigrants in Europe, anymore than they want Europeans and Americans in their lands.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    rhadley are you a Muslim?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    European values still exist even while people are believing in a desert religion. I don't see how Islam is very different, Europeans could easily make it their own without interference from Arabs. Its easiest explained as Unitarianism + Mohammed (:saw). I read the Bible, Quran and Talmud. Quran is more modern, progressive and logical. Muslims make their religion look bad. there is nothing within Quran which would stand out as weird to a Christian, unlike the Talmud which is full of weirdness.

    That said, I don't want non-white Muslim immigrants in Europe, anymore than they want Europeans and Americans in their lands.
    Du sollstest mal L.F.Clauss lesen über der Unterschied zwisschen die Seele des Wüstenländer und die Nordische Seele und was Guenther zu sagen hatt im Bereich der indogermanische Religion, dann würdest verstehen weshalb
    man unseren Glaubesgemeinschaft und die Weise oder Erlebung nicht einfach aus zu tauschen ist mit dieser orientalischen Humbug.

    Sonst in jeder Religion und Kultur kann man dieselbe Werten zurückfinden, aber die sind nun einmal universel, wie Ehre und Rechtglaubigkeit, die seelische Beschaffenheit is ohnehin unüberbrückbar.
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    I've asked some Iranian friends about this and it's their view it's one of the oh so many groups set up by the CIA to sow dissent. It's run from London, UK it seems.
    Oh, the conspiracy theories never end NWO,ZOG,CIA,KFC I'm not a national socialist so I can't say if the party is real NS or not,try asking people on Stormfront

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    rhadley are you a Muslim?

    Interesting that several people have asked me this. Answer: I am a National Socialist.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    rhadley, I don't think Zionist want to erase the Islamic faith from the earth, and the Palestinian struggle is not religious. Everyone puts a religious spin on 'oppression,' not just Muslims. Jews do it, in the US abortion becomes a religious issue for Christians, Hindu nationalism, etc.
    If Islam, like Christianity, is to be vetted to remove the impediment to democratization and cultural degeneracy, it would be better if it disappeared.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I understand what people here are saying is not Islam-bashing. The people here are expressing dislike of Muslims (Arabs? Pakis? UNDERSTANDABLE!) & their behavior, not necessarily their religion (the same attitude most here have for Jews). The people who practice it can be fucked up, and because of this no one wants to associate with them or their faith. Islamic extremist do bad dawah for their faith when the blow up busses full of Israeli civilians, don't you think?
    Is there such a thing as an Israeli civilian? All Israelis over 18, both men and women, are technically in the military as they have universal draft and can be called up when the need arises. Also, the Israelis elected Sharon to lead them after he instigated the latest bloodbath by strutting around the Temple Mount with armed guards.

    Sure, not everyone voted for the bastard, and Jewish Israelis morally opposed to the mistreatment of Palestinians do exist, but they don't seem ever to affect policy. Have the refuseniks removed one kibbutz from occupied land? Have any of them ever been run over by a bulldozer?

    In the same way, we Americans are responsible for electing Bush and giving slavish support for Israel. We have and will continue to pay the price.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I won't defend Christianity. A great deal of American Christians actually believe all the crap about Jews being chosen people, and that it is our duty to die for them, etc. Christianity is phony Judaism wrapped in Roman paganism, centered around a phony deity ("the son of God" - an invention meant to appeal to pagans :anieyes).
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    Europeans adapted Christianity to their own race soul in the same manner as Europeans adapted agricultural to the climate of Europe. The old Faith united Europe and kept out invaders. Is there a way to be a Christian and not be susceptible to miscegenation pressure? Or can religion be non-political and neutral? That's my present quest to find out.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    Jews have a hand in the Christian church's degeneration- i.e. acceptance of homosexuals. Only the Orthodox Church has got it right when it comes to faggots. But you'll never see 2 men signing a marriage contract in the mosque. And perhaps it is that strength of not giving into contemporary degeneracy that appeal to certain people within the 'movement' or just traditional-minded people in general.
    The Roman Catholic Church still considers the act of homosexuality a damning offense. There are those pedophiles, though...

    As far as never seeing two men signing a marriage contract in a mosque goes, don't be too sure about that. Why not? The fact that homosexuality is strictly forbidden by the Bible didn't stop the Presbyterians et al and there seems to be less propensity for buggery in Europe than in Islamic lands...

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I'm not a religious person, just spiritual. In the end I'm just too free spirited to live with all the rules of any religion. I'm probably going to die and go to hell for all my bad behaviors. But Allahu Akbar anyway, dude.
    I can respect that, but "there is safety in numbers." Just ask your average Jew, or Mel Gibson when he needed to find a distributor for his film.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    NS and Islam is not a good mix, btw. You say yourself nationalism is not Islamic.
    Which Islam? Sunni or Shiite?
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally



    Muslim attack a Briton...

    They want violence on non-believers. It is not our ally.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    They are not an ally, but a very serious threat. I know there are people who tend to romanticize the "Jihadists" and refer to ideals like: self-sacrifice, discipline, primacy of the spirit, anti-globalism, etc. But, in actuality these Moslem fundamentalists tend to be shifty, shady, self-promoting and totally untrustworthy. They cause more trouble than they are worth.

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