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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    ROFL, I never said I was a Muslim, I remember someone else saying somtehing similar in this thread earlier, surely not me.

    You still havent explained WHY you think that the "NWO/Zionists" are such a threat to Europeans that we need to ally ourselves with another potential threat.

    What can I say, I don't believe that you've been in all these places ( middle east, Bosnia, iran ). If you really have been, and you still have this opinion, there is also an explanation:
    1. You're a Muslim
    2. You've been indoctrinated by Muslims.
    3. Your brain doesn't process gathered informations.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    It's not "sucking up" - it's an alliance based on our common enemies and on our shared values, chief of which are honor and the warrior way.
    What values are these that we 'share' with muslims? I would like to know since Islam tried to destroy Europe for over a thousand years. We don't have 'common enemies' either. I have never seen moslems ever expression solidarity white white separatists.

    It's these Muslims values which are not, repeat not, understood by many WN.
    Tell me what the moslem values are. Are these the values of the Albanian terrorists, pimps, and drug pushers? The Chechan scum that continues to murder Russians? The ragheads that riot in the streets of Beligum?

    2) Some success? Don't make me laugh! Sorry, can't help it - LOL!
    The Dutch are about to deport over 20,000 illegal aliens. That's good news.

    Success judged by what?
    See above.

    By restoring our Aryan culture, by allowing us to live according to our own Aryan laws? By creating a real Aryan society?
    I am sure most people here would support that.

    I'm not interested in the old type of socalled "nationalism" but in our Aryan culture and our future as a race.
    I am not a nationalist myself but I am not going to attack nationalist parties for attempting to cleanse their countries of the scum that infects it.

    That's why the old nation States have become irrelevant - because they do not represent our culture, our values, our way of life, and to my mind they cannot now be made to do so.
    We don't have the luxury of starting from scratch. The old nation states EXIST. They are REAL administrative units. We have to first work with what we have been dealt, not what we would like to see sometime in the distant future.

    What are our values? See Myatt's Complete Guide to the Aryan way of life.
    Link?

    Yeah real in that they represent what is un-Aryan - in their laws, their way of life.
    Reality always trumps fantasy. We are forced to start from what does exist, not what any of us feel should exist in some fairytale.

    What is a modern expression of the Aryan way? Why it's National Socialism!
    How, pray tell, is National Socialism modern? We do live in the 21st century now you know.

    Any hope of getting a NS government in these nation States? Nope. NS requires a real revolution now. Any sign of that? Nope. Could an open NS political party succeed in these old nation States at the moment? Nope - in many it wouldn't even be allowed.
    The absolute last thing Europe needs at this moment is a return to petty-statism.

    Why wouldn't a NS movement succeed at the moment? One good reason - not many people really understand NS - it's principle of personal honor, for instance. How many who call themselves NS really live by a code of personal honor??
    You shouldn't ignore the 'national' aspect of National Socialism.

    How many "nationalist" parties even know what Aryan law really is? How many want to create a system based on our own Aryan law - the law of personal honor? How many really understand what "freedom" means?
    National Socialism more closely resembled Judaism than Indo-European tribal law.

    1) Europeans have gone to America, and Canada and others places such as Australia, which made them into new nations.
    Europeans do not want to go anywhere.

    2) This new homeland or homelands can be anywhere - even part of one of the old European nation States.
    Submission will not solve our problems.
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    —Honoré de Balzac

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Interesting website I found.These Iranian national socialists(INSP) are against their Islamic republic

    http://www.geocities.com/irnationalsocialism/



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    rhadley, I don't think Zionist want to erase the Islamic faith from the earth, and the Palestinian struggle is not religious. Everyone puts a religious spin on 'oppression,' not just Muslims. Jews do it, in the US abortion becomes a religious issue for Christians, Hindu nationalism, etc.

    I understand what people here are saying is not Islam-bashing. The people here are expressing dislike of Muslims (Arabs? Pakis? UNDERSTANDABLE!) & their behavior, not necessarily their religion (the same attitude most here have for Jews). The people who practice it can be fucked up, and because of this no one wants to associate with them or their faith. Islamic extremist do bad dawah for their faith when the blow up busses full of Israeli civilians, don't you think?

    I won't defend Christianity. A great deal of American Christians actually believe all the crap about Jews being chosen people, and that it is our duty to die for them, etc. Christianity is phony Judaism wrapped in Roman paganism, centered around a phony deity ("the son of God" - an invention meant to appeal to pagans :anieyes). Jews have a hand in the Christian church's degeneration- i.e. acceptance of homosexuals. Only the Orthodox Church has got it right when it comes to faggots. But you'll never see 2 men signing a marriage contract in the mosque. And perhaps it is that strength of not giving into contemporary degeneracy that appeal to certain people within the 'movement' or just traditional-minded people in general.

    I'm not a religious person, just spiritual. In the end I'm just too free spirited to live with all the rules of any religion. I'm probably going to die and go to hell for all my bad behaviors. But Allahu Akbar anyway, dude.

    NS and Islam is not a good mix, btw. You say yourself nationalism is not Islamic.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    ROFL, I never said I was a Muslim, I remember someone else saying somtehing similar in this thread earlier, surely not me.
    Ah, my mistake and apologies, and well spotted! It was another reply. That's what happenes when you're in from a long hard days work and sit in the wee small hours pecking away at the keyboard, dog-tired...

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You still havent explained WHY you think that the "NWO/Zionists" are such a threat to Europeans that we need to ally ourselves with another potential threat.
    1) I refer you to the writings of Dave Myatt here - plenty posted on this forum, some by me!

    2) Check out writers such as Shamir at
    http://www.israelshamir.net/english/

    3) Somewhat more fanciful is stuff like

    www.iahushua.com/Zion/

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    What can I say, I don't believe that you've been in all these places ( middle east, Bosnia, iran ). If you really have been, and you still have this opinion, there is also an explanation:
    1. You're a Muslim
    2. You've been indoctrinated by Muslims.
    3. Your brain doesn't process gathered informations.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been to such places - a former girlfriend was from Serbia BTW.

    Alternative explanation for my views:

    1) I've reflected on my experiences and arrived at certain conclusions which just happen to differ from yours

    2) I'm a reasonable man who tries to actually live by ideals such as honor.

    Now, I really must get some sleep...

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    rhadley, I don't think Zionist want to erase the Islamic faith from the earth, and the Palestinian struggle is not religious.
    1) They like the US gov want to erase Mulsims who resist through Jihad. They want a tame, domesticated "Islam" - a socalled moderate Islam which accomodates itself to the "Western" way, for which read the NWO.

    That's what the struggle is about - WHAT type of "Islam". The modernist, tame, type, or the Jihadi type.

    2) Hamas is an Islamic organization seeking to create an Islamic society.

    The current "government" in occupied Palestine is "secular" as is the PLO.


    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I understand what people here are saying is not Islam-bashing. The people here are expressing dislike of Muslims (Arabs? Pakis? UNDERSTANDABLE!) & their behavior, not necessarily their religion (the same attitude most here have for Jews).
    Well in that case they do not understand Islam and make gross generalizations about Muslims - sheer prejudice. But the main thrust of replies seems to be "the menace of Islam".

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    The people who practice it can be fucked up, and because of this no one wants to associate with them or their faith. Islamic extremist do bad dawah for their faith when the blow up busses full of Israeli civilians, don't you think?
    No, it depends of "what Islam" you've talking about doesn't it. The tame moderate "Islam" the Zionists and their US lackeys want, or the authentic Islam of the Jihadi groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33

    NS and Islam is not a good mix, btw. You say yourself nationalism is not Islamic.
    True about Islam and nationalism - but we're talking tactical allies here, not trying to accommodate NS with Islam or vice versa. Or trying to make an NS Islamic organization such as the Greenshirts in pre-war Egypt! The sort of alliance that enabled the SS to recruit 60,000 Muslims in WWII.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    1) As made clear on another thread, we differ over morality. I believe in honor which I repeat I consider the hallmark of the Aryan. Double-standards are dishnorable.
    Was German national socialism dishonourable because it promoted the German people against the interests of others, and yet bitched and screamed while the Jews were doing the same via socialist movements?

    2) I care about honor, therefore I care when dishonorable people - bullies - act as they do, in this case against Muslims in Iraq, Palestine and so on.
    I don't. What do you think of Europeans owning the world a hundred years ago? Was that a bad thing?

    Advancing? What, again? And what exactly have they achieved in - what - how many years?
    They're getting masses of votes in the working class 'red belt' which used to be controlled by the Communist Party, and Le Pen's FN was the second largest party in the entire country last presidential election.

    Personally I think that kind of "nationalism" is out-dated and quite dishonorable and therefore cannot advance the Aryan cause or more to the point create an Aryan society, based upon the law of honor.
    LOL. Like pie-in-the-sky rubbish is going to save the white race from hordes of non-whites bearing the banner of Islam who stand against European values.

    A land where the majority of people are Muslims.
    Like Ba'athist Iraq under Saddam Hussein?

    Interesting. Whose standards? The Quran and the Sunnah?
    The Qu'ran.

    So you did Shahadah?
    Yes.

    So you prayed five times a day, in Arabic?
    God is forgiving, I didn't know Arabic, and still don't.

    You paid Zakat?
    Yes.

    You enjoined the good, the Islamic, and forbid the bad, the un-Islamic?
    They consider it that.

    You fasted in Ramadan?
    Yes.

    Interesting. I'm not anti-Jewish, BTW - just anti-Zionist. The problem is Zionism, not Judaism.
    Haha, I'm pro-zionist. I want the Jews to have their own country so that can stop annoying the shit out of Europeans. I don't care if one clan of semites slaughters another.

    So, the lie of the holocaust does not and has not caused "harm" to European peoples?
    Not one of the eight Jews I know personally has ever bitched about the holocaust.

    What is this European "civilization" I keep hearing about? What is "civilization" anyways? Cars, roads, planes, heated houses, TV and the like?
    Go live without modern medicine, cars, roads, planes, heating, tv, guns, metal like the zulus did and claim you don't appreciate it.

    Or a civilized way of life - that of reason,
    Read Aristotle, Kant or Rand if you want 'reason', not the Qu'ran LOL.

    fairness,
    Like saying one religious cult should establish military guard over all the others to protect them, charge them taxes for the benefit of said protection? I call that a protection racket.

    true justice,
    LOL. What's that?

    and thus honor?
    Whatever.

    Is the drug-dealer sitting in his designer clothes in his plush Apartment with his new car outside more "civilized" than say a Saami who lives in a tent and follows the Reindeer? Give me the Saami...
    Most drug dealers I know don't live in plush apartments or wear designer clothes. If you want to go live with the Saami, I'm not stopping you.

    The ability to see things clearly without undue emotion - to consider the facts - and then to act with honor on the basis of those facts.
    What's honour got to do with 'facts'?

    Please, give evidence here, and anyways we've not talking about MUSLIMS are we - those who pray five times a day, fast in Ramadan, and so on? We may just may be talking about some immigrants who may hail from a once Muslim land and who by the Muslim standard are not Muslim anymore.
    I'm dealing with those who call themselves Muslims.

    And of course White people never indulge in rape, do they? It's only those damn foreign people...
    I have not heard of a single Anglo-Australian rapist. All of the rapists I've heard of in my country are either Lebanese, Vietnamese, Turkish, Aboriginal or African black.

    Give chapter and verse here please.
    Once I've finished looking for it again, sure.

    The New World Order - the practical manifestation of Zionism in the world. For more info, do a search on Google.
    Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people for a homeland in the middle east.

    Not to me. One's man's hero is another man's villain...
    Just whose side are you on? Do you even draw a line between Europe and the Arab world?

    Give your sources for this assumption, which I do not believe. Anyways, the latter-day Ottoman Empire was certainly NOT Islamic.
    http://richards1052.tripod.com/richa...page/id29.html

    Just like bullies they cannot bear an even fight or even the chance of one so when their enemy may just be getting some weapons they get their lackeys to act and invade and occupy the land and create a puppet government.
    What's wrong with this?

    Israel wants political and practical domination of the lands around and is following a long term agenda to achieve that. It wants to neutralize the threat of Islam - the only serious threat, in the world at the moment, to its power, to the NWO, which was the original point of the original post, which seems to have got lost.

    Let Israel use those weapons, and see what happens.
    Sure. I wouldn't mind seeing it happen. Jews can go ahead and prosper in an evacuated middle east, I'm all for it.

    Here endeth the lesson...
    Whatever.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    I agree with rhadley on all of this. Not all Moslems are the ally and we need the Islamic immigrants out of most European countries. I know that there are Moslems in the west who hate us and they should go back. But how is it sensible to accuse ALL Moslems accross the world of being the enemy? They don't all share an ethnic group, or even a sect.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I agree with rhadley on all of this. Not all Moslems are the ally and we need the Islamic immigrants out of most European countries. I know that there are Moslems in the west who hate us and they should go back. But how is it sensible to accuse ALL Moslems accross the world of being the enemy? They don't all share an ethnic group, or even a sect.
    Sure enough, one of my best pals on the Internet and great supporter of my crackbrained ideas and viewpoints on Indo-Europeans and the origin of races is a liberal but devoted Turkish Muslem.
    However, I wonder why we need allies beyond the European borders, best is still to remain unmutable and in power(Afrikaans: baasskap), honourable, dignant and regal in composure, minding our business and prospering our destiny and spiritual growth, striding forth on our own and make a definite and irrevocable difference in our achievements in light of the entire human evolution....and this means also not mixing in affairs of others cultures and races as long they dont harm our wellbeing.
    Neither Muslims and Jews are our enemy, but it's important to set the record straight, who even dares to lay a finger on us Germanics, must pay a high toll.
    Nobility and generosity expressed to whom reach their hand to us in friendship.
    Firm but just measures to whom wants to subordinate or destroy us.
    There is no middle way.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    a former girlfriend was from Serbia BTW.
    Ah! I found the cause behind your support for Islam!
    Serbian women really do inspire such 'Islamist' feelings...

    1. They're beautiful, so you'd need at least 3 of them for wives.
    2. They spend too much on clothes and make-up.
    3. They have no taste for clothing whatsoever.
    4. They're stubborn and rarely think things through.
    5. They don't know how to drive.

    The Sheriat law would straighten them out

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