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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Rhadley, you can not deny history and reality. Please, visit the Balkans, visit Bosnia, see what is Islam in Europe, firsthand, the green-neon lit Mosques, the minaret towers with expensive sound-systems instead of their priests, see the true face of Islam, what it really is, not what you'd like to believe.

    But, I guess that talking to you is worthless, because you've deluded yourself enough to think that we'd be better off ruled by Arabians, than we'd do on our own.

    You think that it's a matter of opinion, but it's not.

    Your mistake is in the thinking that Islam was always against the Jews, which it was certainly NOT. All the Islamic powers through history were on good terms with Jews, and I honestly can't understand WHY you think that Islam automatically excludes Jews.

    Jews were thriving in all Islamic provinces, and were expelled as soon as Islamic reign fell. In Spain, in the Balkans, everywhere.

    Here you are lamenting our supposed unability to understand Islam, but it's YOU who doesn't understand the REALITY of things. REALITY! Check it out, if you don't believe the media, and their supposed 'lies' about Islam, then, please buy an airplane ticket and visit the Islamic countries, if you have the balls for that.

    Your opinion is also flawed in a couple more areas.

    You speak about the warrior spirit of both Aryans and Islam as something that binds us. Boxers have a warrior spirit, both of them in the ring, but they still want to pummel eachother into the ground.

    You speak about a warrior spirit we must use together against the Jews. What's so noble and 'Aryan' about 2 billion people allying with 1 billion people to fight against 20 million Jews?

    How do you think that allying with Islam would help us against the Jews?
    If you think that Jews are a parasite on the body of Aryans, how can Islam help?

    When you catch gonnorhea, what do you do? Ask a random Arab to beat you on the crotch with a baseball bat?

    I also don't understand what is it that annoys you so much about the Jews. You keep mentioning Israel... well.... it exists.... so?
    Muslims have had plenty of opportunity to annihilate Israel, and they blew every chance thanks to a brave and effective resistance of the Israeli people. Like it or not, the Jews have proven extremely efficient, smart and brave in Israel, in all the assaults.

    That's what I call a true warrior, not a person who likes swords, but one who knows how to use them, when to use them, and on who to use them.

    The fact that Europeans buy these 'swords' for the Jews is a whole different thing.

    The truth of the matter is that you are probably a muslim, that's the only reasonable explanation for all you have said. Europeans don't have any interest in allying themselves with Muslims, but muslims would like an alliance with Europeans.

    Not all Muslims hate the Jews. Arabs and Arabian-influenced countries hate them. Turks on the other hand have no problem with Jews. They never had through history, and they don't have a problem now.

    Iranian government is Islamist, but most of it's people are not. They live under a totalitarian Islamist regime which they would gladly shed away. Iranians have a bigger hatred going on with Arabs, I doubt they even think about Jews.

    The Muslims in America, the Black muslims are also into hatred towards Jews because of competition, not because of some 'warrior spirit'.

    You also speak about the 'nationalims' of Bosnian Muslims. Do you know how they called their nation until 1996 ? They referred to themselves as to 'Muslims', as a nation called Muslims. Islam is a religion that denies all ethnic difference ( sort of very multicult of the, ) therefore, these Bosnian Muslims were a part of the faith/nation of Islam. So, you can't really divide Islam from nation/ethnicity, because it tries to be both.

    Islam is constructed in such a way that it regulates ALL aspects of life. It's at the same time an ethnicity, religion, philosophy, law, social and economical system. It DENIES everything that isn't Islam. Even at it's most authentic, it's negative for us, and it's extremely negative in REALITY.

    I'm from a country that withstood five centuries of Islamic terror, countless wars against Islam, recent wars against Islam. My own little homeland stood undefeated for centuries, defying a huge Islamic empire, countless generations of men only knew of war and dispair, and now you speak of some 'good side' of Islam to me.
    We survived through a real threat of becoming assimilated and massacred in the name of a foreign religion.

    You speak about Islam fighting against the 'NWO', well, it WAS THE NWO THAT BOMBARDED SERBS [b]TO HELP/b] MUSLIMS!!!

    Get your facts straight, stop living in the romantic Arabian nights and Arabian knights. If you're not a Muslim, you have a lot of re-thinking to do.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    i have seen a lot of things but an Aryan-Muslim was missing

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You also speak about the 'nationalims' of Bosnian Muslims. Do you know how they called their nation until 1996 ? They referred to themselves as to 'Muslims', as a nation called Muslims. Islam is a religion that denies all ethnic difference ( sort of very multicult of the, ) therefore, these Bosnian Muslims were a part of the faith/nation of Islam. So, you can't really divide Islam from nation/ethnicity, because it tries to be both.

    I don't know what it says in the Koran, but in practice Islam is NOT multicultural. If Islam was multicultural, the pre-Arabic peoples like the Fellahin would have assimilated. (In Egypt the Fellahin are seperate from the Bedouin, but they converted to Islam and speak Arabic.)

    The fact the fact that Turks sided with non-Moslems against Arabs, proves that Islam does not replace pre-Islamic ethnicity.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I don't know what it says in the Koran, but in practice Islam is NOT multicultural. If Islam was multicultural, the pre-Arabic peoples like the Fellahin would have assimilated. (In Egypt the Fellahin are seperate from the Bedouin, but they converted to Islam and speak Arabic.)

    The fact the fact that Turks sided with non-Moslems against Arabs, proves that Islam does not replace pre-Islamic ethnicity.
    I have heard that in many Islamic nations there tends to be either an Arabian or Turkish cultural domination; the Islamics claim too to be very multi-racial in their nations (ie race not taken into consideration by their people on anything, ie "colorblind"). I do not know in practice how much that may or may not be true and too that may be a message tailored for Western peoples in an effort to gain converts and in reality may be a load of bs. Wasn't the pan-Arab movement of Nasser based on uniting many of the Islamic states by blood?
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Islam and national socialism/White nationalism go together? Tell that to Louis Farrakhan



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I don't know what it says in the Koran, but in practice Islam is NOT multicultural. If Islam was multicultural, the pre-Arabic peoples like the Fellahin would have assimilated. (In Egypt the Fellahin are seperate from the Bedouin, but they converted to Islam and speak Arabic.)

    The fact the fact that Turks sided with non-Moslems against Arabs, proves that Islam does not replace pre-Islamic ethnicity.
    Turkey is currently secular.

    Jews are not the enemies of Islam by default, they are the enemies of surrounding Arab states.

    Islam is also spread to wide, very quickly, on very different peoples, often politically and strategically confronted states. ( Seljuks vs. Khalifahs, Egyptian sultanate vs. everyone else, Ottomans vs. Saffavids, Moghuls vs. Ottomans, Iran vs. Iraq etc. ) But, in this day and age, Islamist rule would certainly utilize every possible invention and gadget to make sure everyone obeys the sheriat law.

    Modern, hi-tech video surveillance to make sure that all women wear 'proper' clothes, that there is no music, no alcohol. Just like in Orwell's 1984, surveilllance that all pray five times a day etc.

    Consider it all a potential hi-tech inquisition for the 21st century.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    I have heard that in many Islamic nations there tends to be either an Arabian or Turkish cultural domination; the Islamics claim too to be very multi-racial in their nations (ie race not taken into consideration by their people on anything, ie "colorblind").

    Their social structure of West Asia is just different.

    The Middle East is multi-racial because of their endogamy. Lots of ethnic groups live close together but stay seperate from each other, because they don't intermarry. Islam has not changed this, and it is the opposite to western multiculturalism.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Turkey is currently secular.
    Which is besides the point.

    Turkey is still part of the Middle East, and the Middle East had its social patterns before Islam.

    If Islam was an attempt at globalisation, then it failed. And no real attempt was made to force the conversion of non-Moslem Jews, Orthodox Christians or Mozarabic Spanish.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeTheButcher
    The enemy of your enemy is often your enemy too.
    Very true.


    Why is Islam an enemy? Very simple. There are millions of moslems in Europe now and their numbers will only continue to grow. They are a very real demographic threat and will have to be dealt with eventually.
    You're right, it is a threat throughout Europe.

    France's situation is the price it must pay for its past colonialism in Muslim countries.

    It's awful when colonies come back to haunt a country- like Puerto Rico for the US, and India for England.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Rhadley, you can not deny history and reality.

    One man's history is another man's propaganda
    "History" can be very selective

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Please, visit the Balkans, visit Bosnia, see what is Islam in Europe, firsthand,
    Been there, done that, got the T-shirt


    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR

    the green-neon lit Mosques, the minaret towers with expensive sound-systems instead of their priests,
    And the point here - is what?

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    see the true face of Islam, what it really is, not what you'd like to believe.
    Not belief but experience. Lived in Mid-East for a while as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    But, I guess that talking to you is worthless, because you've deluded yourself enough to think that we'd be better off ruled by Arabians, than we'd do on our own.
    I find it interesting that you seem to descend to personal insults - "deluded yourself" - rather than engage in rational debate with someone who has an opinion, based on experience, which differs from yours.

    It is also interesting that you did not respond to my request for details about the assertions you previously made in your replies, and about details of your claim to "having been a Muslim" or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You think that it's a matter of opinion, but it's not.
    When did I say that?

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Your mistake is in the thinking that Islam was always against the Jews, which it was certainly NOT.

    Gee, thanks for pointing this out. Not!

    As I said in another reply, I am not anti-Jewish, and neither is Islam anti-Jewish.

    The original post mentioned that some Muslims - Mujahidden especially - understand the current situation vis-a-vis Zionist power and influence expecially over the US gov. It''s Zionism which is the issue here, not Jews per se, not Juadiam.


    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Here you are lamenting our supposed unability to understand Islam, but it's YOU who doesn't understand the REALITY of things. REALITY! Check it out, if you don't believe the media, and their supposed 'lies' about Islam, then, please buy an airplane ticket and visit the Islamic countries, if you have the balls for that.
    As I said, been there, done that, lived among them, both in Europe and in the Mid-East



    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You speak about a warrior spirit we must use together against the Jews. What's so noble and 'Aryan' about 2 billion people allying with 1 billion people to fight against 20 million Jews?
    You have totally missed the point - rather, points.

    1) It's about Zionism, not the Jews
    2) It's about authentic Islam, especially Mujahideen, not "all Muslims". Only some Muslims actively fight or support the warriors. Many Muslims are apathetic, some side with the US or their own US puppet regimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    How do you think that allying with Islam would help us against the Jews?
    Please, stop saying "Jews". It's about Israel, Zionism, the NWO - not about "Jews".

    Anyways, as the original post said - because the only practical effective oppistion to Israel, Zionism, the NWO are those Muslims who uphold authentic Islam and who undertake Jihad.

    WN are doing very little in the practical sense - apart it seems from "sounding off". And, hey, by practical I mean fighting, striving for a real revolution - not engaging in the con-game of "party politics".



    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You keep mentioning Israel... well.... it exists.... so?
    Muslims have had plenty of opportunity to annihilate Israel,
    Give me a break Or better, read my posts. In which I say they have not due to US and European support for Israel in military and other terms. Israel always got and has gotten the latest military hardware, the Arab nations have not. There has never been equality in military terms due to the US and European support for Israel.

    Some people early on, in the 1950's, tried to help build up the Arab forces, the military - in Egypt, and Syria, and Iraq - and surprise surprise many of these were National Socialists who fought for Hitler, such as Otto Remer.

    Those Arab nations who were regarded as tame and NOT a threat to Israel, such as Saudia Arabia, were some some assistance and military aid, but never enough to ever compete with Israel.


    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    and they blew every chance thanks to a brave and effective resistance of the Israeli people. Like it or not, the Jews have proven extremely efficient, smart and brave in Israel, in all the assaults.
    Interesting pro-Israeli view. Are you a closet Zionist?

    The truth is rather different. Please go to occupied Palestine.
    Is regularly killing Palestinians "efficient"? Like the raid yestersday which killed 15 Palestinians? Yet still the Resistance goes on...

    The Zionists continue with their occupation only because they receive massive military and financial aid from the US gov and help from Europe, and because the Muslims in Palestine get very little military or financial support - what weapons they have have to be smuggled in. They have no tanks, no planes, no helicopters, no artillary - only "small arms" - and yet as in jenin they can hold off the might of the cowardly Israeli Army.

    BTW remember Hizbollah? They kicked ass in South Lebanon and forced the Zionists to withdraw.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    The truth of the matter is that you are probably a muslim, that's the only reasonable explanation for all you have said.
    Wow! Great assumption here. So by your reasoning, you're a Zionist, right, since you go on and on about the "brave Jews"?

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Europeans don't have any interest in allying themselves with Muslims, but muslims would like an alliance with Europeans.
    1) Some Europeans have an interest in an alliance with Muslims. Did you know that Iran currently has several European "holocaust deniers" living in exile since currently about the only country in the world where people can live free from the Zionist thought-Police, free from fear of prosecution for the "thought-crime" of denying the holocaust? There were two other countries - Iraq and Afghanistan, but the Zionists through their US lackeys now control them, or at least parts of them. Interesting isn't it that both Iraq and Afghanistan were very anti-Zionist.

    2) Some Mulsims would like an alliance with some Europeans - but only on the basis of mutual respect and honor.

    If the somewhat prejudiced anti-Muslim replies on this forum are only to go by, that'll never happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Not all Muslims hate the Jews. Arabs and Arabian-influenced countries hate them.
    Excuse me, refer to item above regarding Islam, Jews and Zionism. The points at issue are Israel - the occupation of Palestine - and Zionist power via the US gov.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Turks on the other hand have no problem with Jews.
    Turkey is secular, very anti-Islamic and now a puppet of the US in all but name.

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Iranian government is Islamist, but most of it's people are not. They live under a totalitarian Islamist regime which they would gladly shed away.
    Excuse me? Ever been to Iran? I have. Some people there do not support the government; most do. A lot of the problems now are caused by the US who are pushing for internal change - their agents are everywhere in Iran - just as the US supported Iraq in the long-running Iraq-Iran war in the hope of bringing down the Islamic Republic.

    Iran is one of the priorities for the US gov. Why? Because it is anti-Zionist and may, just may, one day, pose a threat to the "chosen people in the chosen land", and because its now outside the influence of "Western law" - hence it is place of sanctuary for anti-Zionists.

    Anyways, Iran is Shia, which is slightly different from the Sunni Islam of most of the Mujahideen in groups such as Al-Qaida.




    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You speak about Islam fighting against the 'NWO', well, it WAS THE NWO THAT BOMBARDED SERBS [b]TO HELP/b] MUSLIMS!!!

    Not quite. It was - to use a more recent term - to take out a "rogue State" and bring it under NWO control. This was the threat that the new Serbia posed - an ethnic homeland in Europe which was independant of the NWO. The fact that by "dealing with Serbian nationalism" it aided the Muslims in Bosnia was just coincidence and useful propaganda: the treatment of the Muslims gave NATO and others an excuse.


    As far as I am concerned, this thread is over. It has served its purpose.
    Last edited by rhadley; Thursday, February 12th, 2004 at 03:39 AM.

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