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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    [QUOTE=AngryPotato] Israel sits in between Arab/Muslim countries and has not been wiped away by the Islamic warrior. QUOTE]


    Here's an article about Jenin mentioned in my previous reply:

    The Battle of Jenin:

    Dawn breaks over the shattered buildings and the rubble. It is the 27th day of Muharram, fourteen hundred and twenty three years after the Migration of the Prophet Muhammad to Medina (April, 2002 CE). The place: Palestine.

    Mujahideen - Islamic warriors - are occupying defensive positions in a small, battered, refugee camp - less than one square kilometre in size - as they have been for nine days. For nine days they - with only hand held automatic weapons - have kept the powerful Zionist occupation army at bay, inflicting heavy losses on their Zionist enemy. The resistance of the Mujahideen has been heroic and intense: automatic rifles against American supplied tanks, missiles, artillery and helicopter gunships. But now: now the Muslims have run out of ammunition.

    The Mujahideen have to throw rocks. One of the Muslim Field Commanders manages to place a call to the Al-Jazeera television station, and calmly, with great dignity, asks Muslims around the world to offer Surah Al-Fatihah as a prayer for them - that Allah may have mercy on those killed, now being killed, and about to be killed as the Zionist occupation troops advance, executing any Mujahideen they find.


    Two days later - with Jenin sealed off from the outside world by the Zionist occupation army - the bodies of the Mujahideen are dumped into mass graves which Zionist bulldozers hastily cover over. Hundreds of warriors have died; some martyred where they fell defending their brothers and sisters and the small piece of land where they lived; others brutally murdered by the Zionist occupation army who, despite their vast military superiority, only dared advance when the Mujahideen ran out of ammunition.

    For days beforehand the Zionist army had tried to advance, resorting to the cowardly tactic of using captured Mujahideen as human shields: stripping these often badly wounded Muslims to their underwear and forcing them to walk in front of the Zionist tanks.

    But the Zionists, just like bullies, wanted their humiliation of the Muslims to continue even after the battle ended: for wounded Mujahideen were forced to strip to their underwear before being taken way for brutal interrogation. Whole families - women, children, old men - were held at gunpoint by Zionist soldiers while their few possessions were ransacked, looted or destroyed. The battle-scared buildings were reduced to rubble by Zionist bulldozers, burying many Muslims alive.


    And yet, the Muslims have won. For nine days and nights a small group of Mujahideen - armed only with hand held automatic weapons - took on the whole might of the American supplied Zionist occupation army. And held them back, resisting the onslaught for three days longer than the combined armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan resisted the Zionists during the misnamed "Six Day War" over three decades before.

    Thus shall the name of Jenin be remembered by Muslims and all those who admire the fighting spirit of honourable warriors: for Jenin is a glorious example of Jihad in the modern world.


    "The life of the Ummah is connected to the ink of the scholars and the blood of the martyrs. What is more beautiful than to write the history of the Ummah with both the ink of the scholar and his blood, such that the map of Islamic history becomes coloured with two lines: one of them black, and that is what the scholar writes with the ink of his pen; and the second red, and that is what the martyr writes with his blood. And more beautiful than this is when the blood is one and the pen is one, so that the hand of the scholar, which expends the ink and moves the pen, is the same hand that expends his blood and moves the nations. The extent to which the number of martyred scholars increases, is the extent to which nations are delivered from their slumber, rescued from their decline and awoken from their sleep.
    So history does not write its lines except with blood. Glory does not build its lofty edifice except with skulls. Honour and respect cannot be established except on a foundation of cripples and corpses. Empires, noble persons, states and societies, cannot be established except with examples." Sheikh `Abdullah Yoosuf `Azzam (Shaheed)

    "Let those who would trade the life of this world for the life Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allah. And those who do fight in the Cause of Allah - whether they be killed or are victorious - will have bestowed on them, by Us, a great reward." [4: 74]

    Source - Myatt's NS Guide to Islam, Part 3


    On the question of martyrdom operations see The National-Socialist Guide to Understanding Islam: 1: The Correct View of Islamic "Suicide Attacks"

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Semitic nonsense is not an ally. They could care less about us. They want to abolish our civilization.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    The reality is that all of the treasures of ancient Greek literature, of learning, were saved by Islamic scholars, and the society created by Islam in Spain was fast superior to that in Europe at the time which is why Eueopean scholars went there to learn. It contained the first Universities, for instance.

    Without this saving of such manuscripts the European Renaissance would not have been possible.

    BTW it was Islam, building on the work of people such as Aristotle, which created the scientific method. Not to mention mathematics - the contribution of Muslims was quite profound.
    I am amazed at times the extent people will go to be apologist for Islam (Europeons no less); it's remindful of back in the Cold War days the folks who insisted we could be friends with the Soviets. Despite all the evidence that they (the reds) wanted to destroy Europe and meant only harm (ie the one hundred million murders between 1917-67, the constant undermining of our societies, breaking of agreements, etc) you still had folks defending them. The same with some and Islam, the equivelant of wanting to make friends with a poisonous snake. In time you will be bitten and suffer accordingly. The fact that Islam has persistently attacked the West, colonized, enslaved, and raped millions of Europeons means nothing to the apologist.

    I do not believe in making the relationship worse than it already is between Europe and Islam but I sure don't believe in creating an artificially friendly relationship with them based upon self deceit and denial of the past. Perhaps when they have pulled their colonists out of our lands and our militaries have pulled out of theirs we may in time be able to build a simple relationship based upon mutual respect...and that's a big maybe.

    I've heard that one for years about Islam saving science and Greek literature. What were they saving the literature from? Was it not Islam that pounded away at Byzantium for 800 years and ultimately took the capitol city in 1453 (yes, the crusaders passed thru several times and looted Constantinople, but it was Islam that did the body blows). In a sense it's like Islam created the problem with the destruction of Byzantum Europe and then claims to have saved Europe by rescuing documents from the culture it destroyed. Would it not have been simpler (and better) had Islam left the Greek Byzantium culture alone and in peace and then there would have been no need by Islam to "save" anything? Also, by 1453, when Constantinople was taken, other parts of Europe (ie Ireland) had recorded vast amounts of Europe's knowledge so tho Byzantium and it's institutions was destroyed by Islam other places had the knowledge saved.

    Just out of curiosity, did you convert to Islam? If so, why? (If not great, and it's not necessary to answer this)
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    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    1) Europeans have gone to America, and Canada and others places such as Australia, which made them into new nations.

    2) This new homeland or homelands can be anywhere - even part of one of the old European nation States.
    I'll never leave my country nor i'll share a single acre of my land with Muslims.
    If we can't kick them out of Europe we must segregate them, everything but dealing with their culture.

    Ask to the Palestinians if they are willing to recognize Israel existance and sharing their country at firstn and if u will be still alive tell us what is their answer!

    May i ask you where are you living?
    I live near Milan, Northern Italy, we are invaded by them and the only contribution that they give to the cultural life of my country is to complain about why the Italian intitutions don't recognize them and don't change the laws in order to be more adherent to the Coran...
    With "allies" like them who need enemies??

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Only because of American and European support - without this financial and military aid, it was have ceased to exist before now.
    I believe that Israel would have plowed through most neighboring countries by now if it weren't for the yearly US/Euro support. Islamic countries can purchase military equipment as well. The only difference would be nuclear weapons, which some have tried to develop or are developing. Israel knows that it would cause a problem if they started attacking other nations instead of the everyday border skirmishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    BTW one reason for the invasion of Iraq was because it might have posed a threat to Israel. Same now with Iran - which is why the CIA is busy creating internal dissent there.
    Iraq did pose a threat to Israel and other American allies. Instead of rolling into Kuwait, Saddam should have rolled through Jordan and into Israel and leveled the country. His mistake and now my tax burden since I have to chip in on the 80 billion to feed/rebuild a nation of muslims and pay for the US military to be there. Iranians desire more freedom. I could care less if they worship cows or throw stones at pillars to fight satan, these nations can be of no help to us. I recently saw a story about skiing in Iran and how the laws are all relaxed in the mountains, with the exception of no alcohol, and it was contrasted to the urban laws where the women are forced to cover up head to toe or face retribution. I could never work with someone who considers their women 2nd/3rd class.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    No you probably don't. But if you lived in occupied Palestine you might. Most adults in Israel are Army reservists and thus considered a legitimate target.
    Good point. I forgot about the mandatory service over there. Now if we move out of Israel and talk about more Western terrorism. I wouldn't consider someone a warrior because they sneak a shoe bomb on a plane to ignite it midflight. I wouldn't consider people warriors for blowing up Australian tourists or decapitating Christian missionaries. There are more legitimate targets, such as an embassy, in every country, but they seem to rely on blowing up the average Joe instead of targeting the specific David.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Anyways, you're viewing such things from a Western point of view, imposing Western criteria on them - not considering them how Muslims consider them, from their own way of life.
    Muslims would force me to view things their way and no other option would be available. Associating with them would force me to take on their customs and respect their rules, which are radically different than my own. They wouldn't adopt our customs because our way isn't the Islamic way.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Well, it's simply amazing now much the Zionist anti-Muslim propaganda has succeeded among WN. What a triumph for them.
    The anti-muslim propaganda goes along with the holocau$t, antisemitic views, and low negroid IQ scores. I try to base all of my views from what I've seen firsthand. I lack the education that many here have. My experiences with Arabs has always been a negative one. I deal with them on an almost daily basis due to my job. They are as shady in business as any jew and much more loud mouthed and ignorant. I don't think we should rely on such a people in trying to help take back our nations. The goal is proud, white nations, not "special needs" white nations with large, dark skinned muslim minority populations.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Speaking of Constantinople, thought I might add this firsthand account of the Venetian surgeon Nicolo Barbaro who witnessed it's conquest by the friendly Islamics. His account is considered one of the most accurate and detailed

    "They sought out the monasteries, and all the nuns were led to the fleet and ravished and abused by the Turks, and then sold at auction for slaves throughout Turkey, and all the young women also were ravished and then sold for whatever they would fetch, although some of them preferred to cast themselves into the wells and drown rather than fall into the hands of the Turks, as did a number of married women also."

    and..

    "The fighting lasted from dawn until noon, and while the massacre went on in the city, everyone was killed; but after that time they were all taken prisoner. Our Bailo, Jeruolemo Minoto, had his head cut off by order of the Sultan; and this was the end of the capture of Constantinople, which took place in the year one thousand four hundred and fifty-three, on the twenty-ninth of May, which was a Tuesday"

    Islam, rape, and beheading, the more things change the more they stay the same.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    And what about the massacre of Muslims by some Serbs?
    Moralising. I don't believe in universal morality, and I don't see what's wrong with double standards. Why do you care about Muslims exactly?

    Now with propaganda like this it's hardly surprising we WN aren't winning...
    Oh, really? Tell me why Le Pen's FN is advancing in France.

    1) Of the Muslims, only Pakistan has a few nuclear weapons, and these are now firmly under the control of the NWO via that Zionist lackey, America.
    For how long, exactly?

    The Zionist/NWO fear of Muslims possessing such weapons was the reason for the invasion of Iraq, and the reason why the NWO is now busy destabilizing Iran. If this internal CIA caused strife in Iran does not succeed in creating a more pro-NWO government - the US will invade.
    I doubt it.

    2) As to Muslim personal conduct re women, children and so on. Have you ever lived among Muslims?
    Yes.

    Do you have any Muslim friends?
    I did.

    Have you lived in a Muslim land?
    What exactly is 'Muslim land'?

    That is, any first-hand practical experience of the Muslim way of life?
    I was a Muslim, by their standards.

    I have. Now, as with any way of life, there are good and bad Muslims. But on the whole, the majority are or strive to be honorable, fair, and just.
    The majority of Jews carry on like the average Westerner and goes to a building with a dome-shaped cap on once every week and causes no harm to the European-Western peoples. Averages don't count, it's the vanguard that does, and there's a lot of Muslims who actively oppose European civilization on its own turf. Muslims are an enemy of the European-Western peoples.

    3) Zionists are our enemy - and the enemy of anyone who believes in honor and reason.
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend so long as I have no values.

    Specious example, but I'd rather ally myself with true warriors - Mujahideen - and fight those who oppose honor and reason, i.e. the Zionists.
    ROFL. Reason? Please. What exactly is reason?

    Excuse me?? What a load of anti-Muslim propaganda. The Zionists must be laughing their socks off to know whow far their anti-Muslim propaganda has succeed.
    It must be pretty realistic, given Lebanese Muslims have a fantastic, well-deserved reputation for pack-raping white Australian girls in Sydney.

    Read the Quran, and especially the Sunnah.
    Done that.

    Or better - get some first hand experience of Muslims, that is those who pray five times a day and strive to live according to the Sunnah.
    LOL. I've done that too. They aren't Westerners in any sense of the word.

    "Knowing history" can mean many things. Whose history? A lot of socalled history is propaganda.
    Have you read the part in the Qu'ran where Muslims are directed to sieze control of the world and establish a massive protection racket over non-Muslims?

    BTW real Islam, the Islam of the Quran and Sunnah, is alive in the Mujahideen and in many Islamic communities.
    Good for them.

    The inauthentic Islam - of compromise with the material ways of the (un-Aryan) capitalist West - does of course live, and is being encouraged by the NWO, as in Iraq.
    What is this 'NWO'? What is materialism?

    But let's end by saying we don't agree, and probably will not agree.
    We most definetly do not agree.

    Vast generalization. What was "Europe" a 1,000 years ago?
    Our home.

    What was Islam?
    The banner of those who sought to rule over us.

    Maybe if Charles Martel had lost we'd have a much more civilized society now, without Zionist control.
    Charles Martel is a hero to Europe. Jews ruled through the Islamic administration in the Ottoman Empire and through the Caliphate.

    But Israel has not even won, even given its terrorism, and all this support and its vast, American given military might.
    Ever heard of the Samson Option? Israel has 200 nuclear weapons, the means to deliver them, the will to use them if it came to that, and the best trained military in the world. They would annihilate any military threat posed by the Arabs.

    Anyways, you're viewing such things from a Western point of view, imposing Western criteria on them - not considering them how Muslims consider them, from their own way of life.
    I am not a Muslim. I see no need at all to consider things from their - formerly my - point of view, unless I wish to understand my enemy, which I well enough.

    Let's rise above this prejudice, this dishonour, and think and behave like Aryans, like honorable, fair, people. Is that asking too much?
    Tolerance to the point of capitulation is not amongst any moral values I may posess.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    BTW most of those Muslims who fought in Bosnia were not fighting for Islam
    http://www.pogledi.co.yu/izetbegovic/video.php



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Nationalist
    They want to abolish our civilization.

    What civilization????

    The "civilization" that occupies Iraq, tortures prisoners; holds them without trial for months?

    The "civilization" of lies, hypocrisy, deceit so evident in the Bush gov which changes the rules just like any bully? Which builds concentration camps for its enemies and which can hold them without trial for the rest of their lives?


    The "civilization" of drug infested cities? Of organized crime? Of State control, which has "thought crime" laws and which imprison people like Zundel for daring to dissent?

    The material "civilization" of usury, and debt and thus wage slavery?

    The "civilization" which imprisons a man (Martin) for defending himself and his property?

    Shall I go on??

    What is "civilization"?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Moralising. I don't believe in universal morality, and I don't see what's wrong with double standards. Why do you care about Muslims exactly?
    1) As made clear on another thread, we differ over morality. I believe in honor which I repeat I consider the hallmark of the Aryan. Double-standards are dishnorable.

    2) I care about honor, therefore I care when dishonorable people - bullies - act as they do, in this case against Muslims in Iraq, Palestine and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Oh, really? Tell me why Le Pen's FN is advancing in France.
    Advancing? What, again? And what exactly have they achieved in - what - how many years?

    Personally I think that kind of "nationalism" is out-dated and quite dishonorable and therefore cannot advance the Aryan cause or more to the point create an Aryan society, based upon the law of honor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack

    What exactly is 'Muslim land'?
    A land where the majority of people are Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    I was a Muslim, by their standards.
    Interesting. Whose standards? The Quran and the Sunnah? So you did Shahadah? So you prayed five times a day, in Arabic? You paid Zakat? You enjoined the good, the Islamic, and forbid the bad, the un-Islamic? You fasted in Ramadan? And so on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    The majority of Jews carry on like the average Westerner and goes to a building with a dome-shaped cap on once every week and causes no harm to the European-Western peoples.
    Interesting. I'm not anti-Jewish, BTW - just anti-Zionist. The problem is Zionism, not Judaism.

    So, the lie of the holocaust does not and has not caused "harm" to European peoples?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    there's a lot of Muslims who actively oppose European civilization on its own turf. Muslims are an enemy of the European-Western peoples.
    What is this European "civilization" I keep hearing about? What is "civilization" anyways? Cars, roads, planes, heated houses, TV and the like? Or a civilized way of life - that of reason, fairness, true justice, and thus honor?

    Is the drug-dealer sitting in his designer clothes in his plush Apartment with his new car outside more "civilized" than say a Saami who lives in a tent and follows the Reindeer? Give me the Saami...


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack

    ROFL. Reason? Please. What exactly is reason?
    The ability to see things clearly without undue emotion - to consider the facts - and then to act with honor on the basis of those facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    It must be pretty realistic, given Lebanese Muslims have a fantastic, well-deserved reputation for pack-raping white Australian girls in Sydney.
    Please, give evidence here, and anyways we've not talking about MUSLIMS are we - those who pray five times a day, fast in Ramadan, and so on? We may just may be talking about some immigrants who may hail from a once Muslim land and who by the Muslim standard are not Muslim anymore.

    And of course White people never indulge in rape, do they? It's only those damn foreign people...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack

    Have you read the part in the Qu'ran where Muslims are directed to sieze control of the world and establish a massive protection racket over non-Muslims?
    Give chapter and verse here please.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    What is this 'NWO'? What is materialism?
    The New World Order - the practical manifestation of Zionism in the world. For more info, do a search on Google.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Charles Martel is a hero to Europe.
    Not to me. One's man's hero is another man's villain...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Jews ruled through the Islamic administration in the Ottoman Empire and through the Caliphate.
    Give your sources for this assumption, which I do not believe. Anyways, the latter-day Ottoman Empire was certainly NOT Islamic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Ever heard of the Samson Option? Israel has 200 nuclear weapons, the means to deliver them, the will to use them if it came to that, and the best trained military in the world. They would annihilate any military threat posed by the Arabs.
    Just like bullies they cannot bear an even fight or even the chance of one so when their enemy may just be getting some weapons they get their lackeys to act and invade and occupy the land and create a puppet government. Israel wants political and practical domination of the lands around and is following a long term agenda to achieve that. It wants to neutralize the threat of Islam - the only serious threat, in the world at the moment, to its power, to the NWO, which was the original point of the original post, which seems to have got lost.

    Let Israel use those weapons, and see what happens.

    Here endeth the lesson...

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