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    Post Re: is Islam Our Ally ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica
    Americans don't have a clue about the way we feel
    That is 100% wrong. We have also had an influx of muslims in this country, be they immigrants, or converts, like the "nation of islam" and their "spiritual leader" farrakhan.

    We DO understand how you feel, but, apparently, you don't understand how we feel.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    This is absurd. Islam is by nature hostile to "kaffirs" and expansionist. They can't be at peace with us, it's against their religion. Their religion requires them to convert all non-muslims to Islam, or failing that, kill them. In Almost every conflict going on right now or in the recent past, one side is muslim: Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Indonesia, Armenia-Azerbaijan, Kashmir, etc.

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    Post Re: is Islam Our Ally ?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    That is 100% wrong. We have also had an influx of muslims in this country, be they immigrants, or converts, like the "nation of islam" and their "spiritual leader" farrakhan.

    We DO understand how you feel, but, apparently, you don't understand how we feel.
    I was talking about feelings over Islam not over immigrations.
    Seems like some of u are underestimating the problem.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    Dear Hitlerite/Islamist Fan, I agree with many points you made here.
    Excellent!

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    Europe was a geographic and cultural concept that was pretty much synonymous with Christendom and Greco-Roman heritage.
    We might possibly have to disagree here about "Europe" - for me, the true culture of Europeans - aka Whites aka Aryans - is pagan/heathen in essence. Xtianity does not represent our unique Aryan sould, character or ethos.

    Like Islam, Judaism, Xtianity is based on a different "way of thinking" and more especially upon a different morality. See for example Myatt's The Theology of National Socialism, and other such stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    For the first 1500-1800 years and in many respects until today Christianity remains a stupid, intolerant and cruel religion.
    Agree, and I would say it is and remains anti-Aryan in spirit, and in its "world-view".

    BTW, I also believe Islam - as a way of life or religion - is contrary to our Aryan nature and character, to our ethos. BUT that does not mean we can't ally ourselves with Muslim fighters against our common enemy.



    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    Although religious persecution in Islamic countries was never as intense as in contemporary Christian countries, and of course Muslims were never as intolerant as "Christian" Americans and other vile people, Islam never accorded equal rights to Christianity and Judaism.
    Sometimes the "practice" did not live up to the theory - as happens with all religions and ways of life, because leaders/rulers are all-too-human and put their own feelings before their duty, the way of life, they are supposed to uphold.

    But I think, historically, Islam provides a better example of tolerance in action than Xtianity.

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    Islam does indeed have a tradition of live and let live attitude but only as long as other people are suppressed.
    Well I have to disagree here - Islam, in theory, does not preach nor practice such suppression. But of course, in practice, sometimes...

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    The opera in question is the die Entführung aus dem aus dem Serail. It is one of my favourite early Mozart's operas. It is set in Ottoman Empire and Muslims are depicted as noble and of course as equal to Christian Europeans but the opera is not about Islam or Islamic attitudes.
    No, it is not about Islam or Islamic attitudes, but it expresses something about Islam and Islamic attitudes, which is what I meant.

    Seems I did not express myself well, here

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    I have Muslim friends or rather good acquitances and I visited one Muslim country. I find their attitudes to the world different from mine but I respect them and their religion.
    Same here - I respect and understand their way of life - Islam - but don't share it, and don't think it is applicable to Aryans. We must follow our own way, our own culture and values. But first, also, we have to know what OUR values, and way, are. Seems to me not many of "us" know.

    As I said in earlier replies here - for me, the vlaues are honor, reason, duty to our kindred, our race.


    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    If West is understood as synonym of the United States then I have to agree you because Islam is a civilization but United States is anti-civilization, the enemy of humanity
    Indeed, and well said.


    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    I don't say that Islam is inferior but because of different attitudes to women rights, alcohol, different tastes in music and literature, Islam is a separate civilization, not better, not worse but not one the Europeans would gladly integrate with.
    I agree completely. Islam as an ally, but it is different from our true Aryan culture (or civilization).

    Quote Originally Posted by berschneider
    I believe that Islam can be our neighbour and a honest trading partner. It is important for Europeans to steer clear from American-Isaeli adventures in the Middle East and their war of civilization and realize that in this instance we Europeans and Muslims share one common vicious inhumane and unhuman enemy. I think the first step would be for EU and citizens of EU to put more pressure on countries in Europe which are de facto American prostitutes - UK, Poland, Ukraine, Denmark, by ostracing them. Getting of rid or isolating American Trojan horses in our own backyard would be the most efficient and non-violent way to help Muslims in their struggle against the Evil Empire and its rapacious owners.
    Well, I agree again

    But I do believe we can and possibly should aid Muslims in their fight against the American/Zionist menace by fighting that menace in a practical way ourselves.

    We should most certainly NOT aid the Ameriucan/Zionist enemy in any way.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
    This is absurd. Islam is by nature hostile to "kaffirs" and expansionist.
    Christians are closer to Allah than other nonbelievers, because they are simply "strayers" or people who are confused. Jews are those who have the wrath of Allah upon them. However, both Abrahamic religions must be respected.

    All people and groups are expansionist, white Christians probably more than any other group. Don't confuse Islam with pan-Arab ethnic nationalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
    They can't be at peace with us, it's against their religion.
    Not true either. The only kind of war lawful in Islam is self-defense. If kuffar are not bothering anyone, it is unlawful to attack them just because they are kuffar. It is a duty to defend one's life, family and faith from any oppressors, occupiers, missionaries and other troublemakers. You wouldn't do the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
    Their religion requires them to convert all non-muslims to Islam, or failing that, kill them.
    That is against basic Islamic principles. A person cannot be forced by another person to believe. If someone holds a gun to your head and says: "Pray to Allah!" it is not sincere, and the person's intention is not praise for Allah but to avoid being killed. If someone believes it can only be by the will of Allah. Allah chooses who he leads to faith and who he leaves to stray.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
    In Almost every conflict going on right now or in the recent past, one side is muslim: Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Indonesia, Armenia-Azerbaijan, Kashmir, etc.
    Maybe because Islamic way of life is the enemy of governments, Hollywood/Jewish media and big business. To subdue Islam is to keep money and resources flowing into their pocket. War is an initial boost for the economy. War works people up and makes them into patriotic robots who readily swallow all the BS politicians and media shovels their way. People then accept more limits on their freedom to protect from "evil terrorists."

    I can't believe people are falling into this trap of hating the new 'boogeyman' that replaced the 'communist threat'...

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    Post Re: is Islam Our Ally ?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    converts, like the "nation of islam" and their "spiritual leader" farrakhan.
    The Nation of Islam and Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths are two decidedly heterodox Islamic sects. They both preach that the "Black Man" (i.e. people of African descent) is God, and that Allah came in the form of Fard Muhammad to reveal true Islam to his messenger, Elijah Muhammad.

    No real Muslim accepts them. They are considered 1000x worse than nonbelievers because they make innovations and lies against Islam. They have their own 'black Qur'an.' They have their own 'prophets.' They believe Allah came in the form of a mulatto man from Detroit and say all Caucasians are "devils" (eventhough Prophet Mohammed :saws himself was a Caucasian)

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by NewGrange
    anyone who believes" Islam is our ally" has been Had-ley

    David Myatt writings about his childhood memory of Britain and
    therafter conversion to Islam, is for me nonsensical.
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    I suggest you read Myatt's recent stuff about Islam from which a few quotes:

    "I am committed to The Numinous Way, and to supporting National-Socialism, which are quite different from - and indeed incompatible with - Islam as I explained in my The Theology of National-Socialism and some other recent essays. For several years - as part of my life-long quest to understand life, this world, to participate in and experience the rich diversity of culture and Ways of Life which exist - I lived as a Muslim, just as years ago I variously lived, for example, the life of a Buddhist, a Taoist, a Christian monk, and many other things. I was all these things, in an authentic way, and I learned from them. I learnt about myself; about other people, as I believe I slowly, and often through my own mistakes, moved toward understanding, toward wisdom: an understanding and a wisdom I have captured in The Numinous Way. For The Numinous Way expresses what I have understood, what I have learnt, what I feel is important about we human beings; what is needed for us to live in a noble, empathic way; what is required for us to appreciate the numinous, to presence the numinous in a conscious, honourable, way - and what, perhaps most important of all, can enable us to transcend far beyond what we are: what can enable us to fulfil the potential we possess, as human beings." (In Pursuit of the Numinous)

    I am now, as I have been for over thirty-five years, a National-Socialist. I firmly believe Adolf Hitler was a good, noble and honourable man, as I firmly believe National-Socialism (as explicated in my recent National-Socialist writings) is an expression of what is good, noble and honourable.

    For over thirty-five years I have been on a quest to answer such questions as "What is the meaning of life?" In the course of this quest I have studied, and acquired practical experience of, many religions and ways of life, including Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, paganism, Hinduism and Christianity. I have learnt a great deal from this quest and have concluded that only the natural, honourable, folkish, reasoned, Numinous Way which underlies what I have called Folk Culture fully answered all the questions about the meaning and purpose of our lives. Thus, The Numinous Way, of Folk Culture, with its Cosmic Ethics, represents my own world-view, and I believe this Way is the means to create a civilized, free, society, of honourable men and women, which will enable us to begin the next stage of our human evolution: the exploration and settlement of Outer Space. (A Statement for Journalists)

    "My experience of Islam - my Islamic travels - were of great benefit, for these things enabled me to give conscious form to many ideas and feelings, especially about ethics and what I have termed the Cosmic Being. During that time, I came to understand many things: I perceived the essence of The Numinous Way, the essence of real civilization, and of our own human nature. In truth, these years enabled me to complete my philosophy - rather Weltanschauung - of the Numinous Way of Folk Culture, and to evolve National-Socialism itself." (Autobiographical Notes, Part3)

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    I slam.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    I can't believe people are falling into this trap of hating the new 'boogeyman' that replaced the 'communist threat'...

    Neither could I....But it seems alas many "White Nationalists" accept all the Zionist propganda and lies about Islam - and especially those fighting the Zionists in a practical way.

    Seems "our" people have again fallen into the trap they did in 1939 when the "nazis" were the bad guys and "we" went to fight and kill them to do the dirty work of the Zionists: to "defend democracy", "defend civilization", bring "peace", and so on blah blah.

    Seems "we" have learnt little since then.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    I want to state here that I am not a "white nationalist"
    or from any other "group name" you may find in these forums.

    and I don't advocate violence against anybody.

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