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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    If you can't see how once again we Whites are being manipulated by Zionist lies and propaganda so that our resources - especially our armies - are used to aid the Zionists, then you can't
    I can see how SOME people have been taken in by muslim propaganda.

    Like I've said before; I don't like islam, nor do I like the jews. As long as they can keep their fight in the mid-eastern sandbox, I couldn't care less. But as soon as whites of ANY country become casualties, it should do more than make us aware that this war will not be one until either side is wiped-out or enslaved. Let's try keep this from happening to us.

    We could vote-out all anti-white politicians and the muslims would still attack us. History always repeats itself.

    The only international politics I'm interested in is the preservation of International White-European Culture and Society. If the muslims get in the way, they're going down; the same goes for the israelis. Now I know the zog controlled countries are in our way, but the time for conflict with them has not yet arisen.

    The war against terrorism will last for many years to come, so why bring ourselves further into it? If you don't want to fight in Afghanistan or Iraq, don't join the military.

    Why allow ourselves to be lumped together with terrorists? Terrorists of any race, religion, or creed. Negative attention is NOT as constructive as positive attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    and Japanese killing Whites in Word War Two was not NS Germany but again the Zionists
    But, Pearl Harbor was the Japanese self-disgrace that brought the US legally into the war. No Pearl Harbor=No legal US involvement in the early/mid phases WWII. No US involvement could have meant an Axis victory. But, that's just speculation.

    I say let Israel/Palestine fight to their respective deaths.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    As I said above - I rest my case. It seems so clear that the underlying problems here are not understood, and that are lot of WN's seem to have been taken in by Zionist propaganda, and seem unwilling or unable to view these things in an Aryan way - that is, with reason, and honor.
    Being lectured on the Aryan way by a bed-fellow of islam is one of the most ridiculous, insulting things I've ever had the misfortune to have "heard". Blood and Honor. OUR Blood, OUR Honor.

    And, if you still wonder why I don't like muslims: I have 1 brain, two eyes, and 2 balls. Nuff said.

    EVERYONE: http://www.omdurman.org/leaflets/roland.html .

    And to finish with a quote from George Santayana:

    "Do not have evil-doers for friends, do not have low people for friends: have virtuous people for friends, have for friends the best of men."

    Now, I rest the West's case, Ganelon.


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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I can see how SOME people have been taken in by muslim propaganda.

    As I can see how very many have been taken in by Zionist propaganda.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Like I've said before; I don't like islam, nor do I like the jews. As long as they can keep their fight in the mid-eastern sandbox, I couldn't care less.
    Like I said, Muslims are aware of and actively fighting our real enemy. We are not doing this, in a practical way.

    Like I said, the Zionists are once again getting us to fight and die for them, for their aims.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    But as soon as whites of ANY country become casualties, it should do more than make us aware that this war will not be one until either side is wiped-out or enslaved.
    No, as soon as Whites die fighting for our real enemies, we have to take a stand against those enemies - and make people aware of this. That's how to stop our kindred dying - not side with the Zionists and try and kill those who ARE fighting the Zionists.

    If yu can't understand this, geez, there is very little more to be said...

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The only international politics I'm interested in is the preservation of International White-European Culture and Society.
    Then know who our real enemy is - Zionism.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    If the muslims get in the way, they're going down;
    Don't you get it even now?

    Whites are fighting for, and dying for, Zionists and Zionist aims. Muslims are fighting the Zionists. The Zionists are our real, our prime, enemy. Therefore -???

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The war against terrorism will last for many years to come,
    It's NOT a war against "terrorism" - it's a war for Zionism; to protect Israel; to defend and extend the NWO, which is ZOG by proxy.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Why allow ourselves to be lumped together with terrorists? Terrorists of any race, religion, or creed. Negative attention is NOT as constructive as positive attention.
    Yeah, and the greater terrorists are the US gov and Zionism.

    Sometime or other - sooner rather than later - we're going to have to fight, in a practical way, for our people, our culture. This means revolution, war, maybe even "terrorism".

    if we do nothing - if we continue to allow ourselves to fight and die for Zionism and their interests; if we continue to talk and play at politics - then we'll only have oursevles to blame when the tyrannical world government comes to pass and our race is destroyed.

    Fighting Zionism now is a priority. Whatever it takes.



    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Being lectured on the Aryan way by a bed-fellow of islam is one of the most ridiculous, insulting things I've ever had the misfortune to have "heard".
    BTW, I'm striving to be Aryan - to act with honor and with reason. As I've tried to explain, honor and reason lead me - and a few others, note - to know that Islam is our natural ally, now, in our fight with ZOG, with Zionism. It also leads me to understand Islam, as a culture and way of living - and respect it. That's honor.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Blood and Honor. OUR Blood, OUR Honor.
    Yeah, our blood, once again being spilled for Zionists.
    Yeah, our honor - which means treating people with respect.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla

    Now, I rest the West's case
    The case for working with, dying for, the Zionists, in pursuit of their goals, it seems.

    BTW here's what Leon Degrelle had to say about Islamic SS:

    " German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble idea. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves.

    That was demonstrated when the Waffen SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS. The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs, and their religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an imam, each company had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their highest expression. This was our racialism. I was present when each of my Islamic comrades received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a pendant with a small Koran. Hitler was honoring them with this small symbolic gift. He was honoring them with what was the most important aspect of their lives and their history. National Socialist racialism was loyal to the German race and totally respected all other races. "

    Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    If yu can't understand this, geez, there is very little more to be said...
    Yet you still go on...

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    No, as soon as Whites die fighting for our real enemies, we have to take a stand against those enemies - and make people aware of this. That's how to stop our kindred dying - not side with the Zionists and try and kill those who ARE fighting the Zionists.

    If yu can't understand this, geez, there is very little more to be said...
    Yes, we must stand against our enemies; ALL of our enemies.

    If islam was our "ally", then why don't they approach us with an offer of some sort, instead of bombing railways and killing potential allies? That would make much more sense than further terrorizing Europe and the Americas.

    Geez, if you can't understand that, there's not much more that can be said.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Sometime or other - sooner rather than later - we're going to have to fight, in a practical way, for our people, our culture. This means revolution, war, maybe even "terrorism".
    "Rational". Do you call the islamicist terror campaign "rational"?

    Well, by definition, "revolution" is a form of war. I don't see any attraction between White Nationalists and suicide bombings. By keeping your actions "clean", you avoid the blanket label of "terrorist".

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Yeah, our honor - which means treating people with respect.
    I give respect to the 190 Spaniards MUREDERED by your accomplices.

    BTW here's what Leon Degrelle had to say about Islamic SS:

    " German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble idea. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves.

    That was demonstrated when the Waffen SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS. The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs, and their religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an imam, each company had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their highest expression. This was our racialism. I was present when each of my Islamic comrades received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a pendant with a small Koran. Hitler was honoring them with this small symbolic gift. He was honoring them with what was the most important aspect of their lives and their history. National Socialist racialism was loyal to the German race and totally respected all other races. "

    Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.

    I'll let you answer yourself:
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Allies can change - when and if necessary.

    Rexism-the name was derived from the Latin slogan Christus Rex, "Christ the King," (Degrelle's Political Ideology) called for the moral renewal of Belgian society in conformity with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Notice the flag's Crucifix?



    A lot has happened since Leon Degrelle penned "Epic". Islam might have been an "ally" in WWII, but as you said "Allies can change - when and if necessary".

    The muslim units were only formed to (1) provide more soldiers in the srtuggle, and (2) improve relations with Turkey and the muslim world, which was almost all under British control. These are the same reasons the Waffen-SS had Hindu volunteers.

    islam's opinion on the West: http://www.likud.nl/extr133.html
    If that's not enough: http://muhammadanism.org/Government/...y.htm#google10



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Yet you still go on...
    As do you


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    If islam was our "ally", then why don't they approach us with an offer of some sort, instead of bombing railways and killing potential allies?
    The offer is to aid the fight against our prime enemy, the Zionists. Aid in whatever way we can.

    Part of this is in understanding the problem - the causes, and the effects. Part of this is in countering the Zionist propganda about Islam and those fighting them.

    The offer is also to stop aiding our enemies by ending support for the socalled war on "terrorism".

    The real question is - why don't you stop aiding the Zionists, and their terrorism and that of their allies such as the US gov, and why don't you stop supporting the killing of Whites who are dying and fighting for our Zionist enemies?


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    "Rational". Do you call the islamicist terror campaign "rational"?
    Do you call supporting Zionism rational - for a WN?


    BTW rational in context here is understanding Islam, ignoring Zionist propaganda and accepting this is war. It's also understanding the Islamic basis for "martyrdom operations" which from their point of view are not "terrorism".

    As I said several times previously, to end such attacks, the Zionists and their allies should stop interfering in Muslim affairs, stop killing Muslims, stop terrorizing them, stop invading their lands. Now that's the rational answer here.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I give respect to the 190 Spaniards MUREDERED by your accomplices.

    What about the tens of thousands of Muslims murdered by the Zionists and their lackeys, like the US gov? You give them no respect, eh? And continue to support such killings?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Rexism-the name was derived from the Latin slogan Christus Rex, "Christ the King," (Degrelle's Political Ideology) called for the moral renewal of Belgian society in conformity with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Notice the flag's Crucifix?
    Now have you ever spoken to anyone who knew Degrelle? I have. He had very postive things to say about Islam and once even told of how in a discussion with Hitler during WWII the topic of post-war Europe had come up. Hitler mentioned aiding the return of the Islamic Caliphate - and spoke of an alliance between this new Islamic State and the New Europe he hoped the pan European SS would help create.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    A lot has happened since Leon Degrelle penned "Epic".
    The fact is that the honorable people in NS Germany and the SS respected Islam and saw Muslims as allies. People like Otto Ernst Remer - one of the most loyal and honorable warriors of WWII - who helped train both the Egyptian and Syrian armies and who had many Muslim friends.

    Yes, things have changed recently - in favor of the Zionists.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Islam might have been an "ally" in WWII,
    It still is seen as an ally by those of honor and reason, and by those who don't want to aid the Zionists.


    That's the bottom line - aiding, or fighting, our foremost enemy, the Zionists. Aiding and supporting - or fighting in every which way - their NWO and the ZOG we live under.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    As do you
    As we both do.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    The offer is to aid the fight against our prime enemy, the Zionists. Aid in whatever way we can.

    Part of this is in understanding the problem - the causes, and the effects. Part of this is in countering the Zionist propganda about Islam and those fighting them.

    The offer is also to stop aiding our enemies by ending support for the socalled war on "terrorism".

    The real question is - why don't you stop aiding the Zionists, and their terrorism and that of their allies such as the US gov, and why don't you stop supporting the killing of Whites who are dying and fighting for our Zionist enemies?
    I'm referring to a REAL offer, an actual offer. An offer in the form of paper, a phone-call, or whatever else anyone can think-up, is much more SINCERE than bombing or making petty threats.

    Hypothetically, I could see a temporary "alliance" if (1)they stopped killing, (2)if we stop retaliating. But, neither will happen.

    "The offer is also to stop aiding our enemies by ending support for the socalled war on "terrorism"." as you put it, for the US was 9/11 and the railway bombings in Spain earlier this month. These "offers" leave a lot to be offered in the sense of diplomacy. I personally didn't harbor any negative feelings toward islam until the WTC was attacked. I even used to defend them against others who "didn't understand".

    For true friendship, one side must extend the olive branch; unlike in Spain when al-gayduh "offered" "friendship" and Spain raised-up the white-flag of "make-me-your-bitchdom".

    Why don't you stop aiding islamic terrorists and their campaign to destroy the West? Whites are dying in the defense of Western civilization against israel and palestine; no muslim attacks in the West=no dead whites. It can't be simplified more than that.

    If the US was so controlled by israel, why did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq instead of fortifying israel's borders and thus destroying the enemy at the source?

    The US is heavily influenced by zog, but not completely controlled. Yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Do you call supporting Zionism rational - for a WN?
    Not at all. I don't believe that a common enemy constitutes a default alliance between us and islam.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    That's the bottom line - aiding, or fighting, our foremost enemy, the Zionists. Aiding and supporting - or fighting in every which way - their NWO and the ZOG we live under.
    The zionists and islam are BOTH threats to us. The only reason some WN's support islam as an ally, is for additional man power. Let's just hope we don't adopt ther "tactics".

    :explode
    If we want to change the system we should do as the reds did in the '60's; through the system. Go to college, don't blow-up innocent people, and gain the support of sane, rational people.

    Working within the law is the only means to gain legitimate support, or even gain internation sympathy. ghandi, mlk, and mandela all seemed to work within the system; they got what they wanted: the bringing-to-the-kness of the White society. If they could do it legally, why can't we do the same?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    As do you
    As we both do.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    The offer is to aid the fight against our prime enemy, the Zionists. Aid in whatever way we can.

    Part of this is in understanding the problem - the causes, and the effects. Part of this is in countering the Zionist propganda about Islam and those fighting them.

    The offer is also to stop aiding our enemies by ending support for the socalled war on "terrorism".

    The real question is - why don't you stop aiding the Zionists, and their terrorism and that of their allies such as the US gov, and why don't you stop supporting the killing of Whites who are dying and fighting for our Zionist enemies?
    I'm referring to a REAL offer, an actual offer. An offer in the form of paper, a phone-call, or whatever else anyone can think-up, is much more SINCERE than bombing or making petty threats.

    Hypothetically, I could see a temporary "alliance" if (1)they stopped killing, (2)if we stop retaliating. But, neither will happen.

    "The offer is also to stop aiding our enemies by ending support for the socalled war on "terrorism"." as you put it, for the US was 9/11 and the railway bombings in Spain earlier this month. These "offers" leave a lot to be offered in the sense of diplomacy. I personally didn't harbor any negative feelings toward islam until the WTC was attacked. I even used to defend them against others who "didn't understand".

    For true friendship, one side must extend the olive branch; unlike in Spain when al-gayduh "offered" "friendship" and Spain raised-up the white-flag of "make-me-your-bitchdom".

    Why don't you stop aiding islamic terrorists and their campaign to destroy the West? Whites are dying in the defense of Western civilization against israel and palestine; no muslim attacks in the West=no dead whites. It can't be simplified more than that.

    If the US was so controlled by israel, why did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq instead of fortifying israel's borders and thus destroying the muslims at their source?

    The US is heavily influenced by zog, but not completely controlled. Yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Do you call supporting Zionism rational - for a WN?
    Not at all. But, I don't believe that a common enemy constitutes a default alliance between us and islam.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    That's the bottom line - aiding, or fighting, our foremost enemy, the Zionists. Aiding and supporting - or fighting in every which way - their NWO and the ZOG we live under.
    The zionists and islam are BOTH threats to us. The only reason some WN's support islam as an ally, is for additional man power. Let's just hope we don't adopt ther "tactics".

    :explode
    If we want to change the system we should do as the reds did in the '60's; through the system. Go to college, don't blow-up innocent people, and gain the support of sane, rational people.

    Working within the law is the only means to gain legitimate support, or even gain international sympathy among normal people.

    Exampl: ghandi, mlk, and mandela all seemed to work within the system and they achieved their goals: the bringing-to-the-kness of White society. If they could do it legally, why can't we do the same, to re-build it?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla


    I'm referring to a REAL offer, an actual offer.
    You didn't answer my question about supporting the Zionists. Why don't yuo stop supporting the Zionists and their war in which Whites are being killed - for Zionist aims?

    A real offer BTW begins with knowing who your true enemy is.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    For true friendship, one side must extend the olive branch;
    You what??

    There is a war going on; lands being invaded; tens of thousands of people being killed; torture; thousands arrested and held without trial - like in the old Soviet Union; puppet "goverments" being formed, and "re-education" and brainwashing in progress... Not to mention over eighty years of oppression.


    And you want the oppressed, the victims, here to hold out an olive branch to the Zionists and US terrorists who have done all this and who are intent on continuing with their bullying?

    So you want the victims of those big bullies - the US and the Zionists - to "make peace" according to the terms dictated by the bullies?

    Why don't you start by getting the US gov and the Zionists to make the first moves?


    Truth is the "anti-war" movement has achieved nothing and changed nothing. Resistance - true practical resistance - is the only way.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Why don't you stop aiding islamic terrorists
    1) Why don't you stop supporting the terrorists that are the US gov and the Zionists?

    2) Why are you supporting Zionism and its aims?


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    and their campaign to destroy the West?
    You mean their campaign to end the oppession, the invasion, of their own lands? You mean the campaign to end Zionist interference in their own affairs - and the Zionists campaign to undermine and destroy their culture - to produce a "tame" Islam.

    You mean their campaign to stand against the liberal decadence and materialism that is now rampant in the West?

    No way! These things should be fought.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Whites are dying in the defense of Western civilization
    No. Whites are dying fighting for Zionism and Zionist aims - and also perchance for US capitalism.

    True Western civilization is Aryan culture - which culture hardly exists anymore, partly because we Aryans don't have any Aryan governments and certainly not an Aryan society. The "West" that exists today is not an Aryan society and neither does it represent "our" culture - it's decadent, un-Aryan, in every way.

    Now, it's so obvious you just don't understand here and have been taken in by Zionists propaganda about this war, so I expect you'll just repeat their mantra about this being a war between "our" culture/civilization and "their" terrorism/backwardness.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    no muslim attacks in the West=no dead whites. It can't be simplified more than that.
    See, you've totally ignored everything I wrote about the causes of this conflict, and the fact it's a war for Zionism and the NWO, and that once again Whites are fighting and dying for Zionist aims. And the fact that the US and the Zionists are bullies, and terrorists - and by their deeds for over eighty years have brought the war into the nations of the West.

    The simple solution - understand the root causes; understand it's about Zionism, the NWO, imperialism; and get "our" governments to stop interfering in Muslim affairs and stop invading their lands.

    [QUOTE=magilla gorilla]
    If the US was so controlled by israel, why did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq instead of fortifying israel's borders and thus destroying the muslims at their source?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The US is heavily influenced by zog, but not completely controlled. Yet.
    Go tell that to people like Zundel.

    True we can chatter on forums like this; hold a few meetings and so on. But at the moment we're no threat whatsoever. The instant we become a threat, why the tyrannical forces of "homeland security" and the like will descend upon us and we'll be held without trial and so on.

    Should any person or group on our side become a threat, they/it will be stomped on. The person will be discredited - and probably arrested on fake "tax evasion", weapons charges or whatever; the group destroyed by internal dissent courtesy of ZOG agents. It's happened.

    We have no freedom that "our" governments cannot take away - and will take it away. As someone wrote a while back, there is a thin illusion of freedom, but that's all it is, an illusion.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The zionists and islam are BOTH threats to us.
    Nope. Islam is not a threat to "us". That's either dishonorable prejudice, or Zionist propaganda, or both.

    If you really udnerstood Islam, you'd see it as our ally.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The only reason some WN's support islam as an ally, is for additional man power.
    No, Islam is our Ally because Muslims (Islamists - not the tame moderate Muslims manufactured by the US) know their main enemy - Zionism and the NWO which is Zionism by proxy. And because they are fighting our common enemy in a practical way, and because their Islamic values mirror our values, our true Aryan values. Which is why peole like Degrelle, Hitler, Himmler, Remer and others valued Islam, and why people like Myatt and Huber have tried to bring militant Muslims and WN's together.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Let's just hope we don't adopt ther "tactics".
    It may and probably will come to that since nothing has been achieved by us in over sixty years. Every year our societies become more and more un-Aryan, as every year more and more of our peole are lost to their heritage, their culture, their Aryan way of life.

    It's so bad, that probably the only way to create a real Aryan society is to start again - to build a new nation; to perchance destroy the old.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    If we want to change the system we should do as the reds did in the '60's; through the system. Go to college, don't blow-up innocent people, and gain the support of sane, rational people.
    Well good luck. I think you're fifty years too late.

    But to really change it, you've got to know what you're fighting for. Seems you don't. It's Aryan culture BTW - that's honor, reason, excellence. It's knowing the world "out there" as it is, not as it seems through ZOG propaganda. A glaring case here - your misunderstanding of the causes of the current conflict with Islam.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Working within the law is the only means to gain legitimate support, or even gain international sympathy among normal people.

    Well good luck then. But the real problem is - this "law" is not "our" law. It's not Aryan.

    And another problem is - when you live under tyranny, and your people are suffering, as ours are due to the decadence of their society, due to the destruction and suppression of our Aryan character and Aryan culture, what do you do? Fight back, as warriors, through insurrection and rebellion? Or peacefully resist?

    But we're now far off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    If the US was so controlled by israel, why did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq instead of fortifying israel's borders and thus destroying the muslims at their source? me, to re-build it?

    I've chosen to answer this question by itself, as to understand it, requires a long reply.


    Here's an extract from what someone wrote a while back to explain this "why"? BTW did you know that several Whites are now living in exile in a Muslim land - Iran - having fled from the West because of holocaust denial laws?



    Islamic Sanctuary:
    The Real Cause of the War


    "And if anyone of the Mushrikûn seek your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and then escort him to where he can be secure..." ( Quran, 9:6 Interpretation of Meaning)

    "A Muslim is a brother to fellow Muslims. He neither does them injustice, nor lets them down, nor surrenders them." (Hadith)

    "Our stand on this issue, as with any other, is based on Islamic Law, and we call on all to abide by the Shariah. There is no possibility of us changing our position on this." (Mullah Muhammad Omar, Ameer-ul-Mumineen of Afghanistan and leader of Taliban)


    In all the propaganda, lies, and hypocrisy about "terrorism", the real cause of the war against the Taliban is seldom, if ever, mentioned. The real cause is the Islamic duty of giving sanctuary to those, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who request it. This duty is in fundamental conflict with the plan of the New World Order to enforce its Western-derived laws upon the whole world.
    The New World Order is basically the rule of a collection of Western capitalist nations whose way of life is that of a material consumerism.


    The Tyranny of the New World Order:


    The plan of this New World Order (NWO) is quite simple. They want any and all of those nations who are part of the NWO to have similar laws, and there to be not only extensive co-operation between the Police force and intelligence agencies of those nations, but also the ability to extradite any person they want from any country and have them tried in the Courts of those nations according to the laws of those nations.

    This plan is really the beginning - the precursor - of a world-government, with its own international Police force, its own Courts, its own army, all of which claim jurisdiction in any country in the world.

    One of the principles of true freedom is that a person can choose exile, or flee from one country and seek sanctuary elsewhere, or at the very least there exists the possibility of that person beginning a new life elsewhere. This principles means that it is the individual who can decide, or who at least has a choice: that is, they can still escape from difficult situations, tyrannical rulers, wrong accusations, or even the mistakes of their own past. All honourable societies, rulers and governments allow this, and in this respect the society created by the Prophet Muhammad (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) at Madinah is the prefect example, as were those of Al-Khulafa'Ar-Rashidun (The Rightly Guided Caliphs).

    However, this freedom is unacceptable to the tyrants of the NWO who desire to create a tyrannical world-government. They want to be able to "go after" any person who they consider is or may be a threat to them and their plans, and to the way of life on which the NWO is based, just as they want to eliminate by any means the government of any nation which does or which may offer sanctuary.

    Of course, being deceitful, manipulative, hypocrites, the people behind the NWO, and their lackeys, speak and write about the need to "counter terrorism and terrorists" when what they really mean is that they want to give to themselves, and themselves only, the right to decide who or who is not a "terrorist", which countries are "acceptable" and "civilised" and even which laws are "right" or "acceptable". That is, they want to dictate to other people, and to other nations, as they want to make the whole world a prison from which there is no escape from the Police forces of the NWO.

    This is sheer, abject, tyranny, albeit covered over with fine sounding rhetoric and a lot of "double-speak". Such a world-wide, unlimited, unrestrained, right to decide - backed up by naked force and the desire and willingness to use that force to get their own way - is overwhelmingly arrogant and overwhelmingly oversteps the bounds of what is fair and honourable. It is, in truth, the way of the bully made law.


    True Justice:

    The counter-argument, by those who uphold the principles on which the NWO is based, is that the system being developed in the West is just and "civilised" because it seeks to ensure that people "do not or cannot escape justice". However, according to Islam, true justice belongs to Allah (SWT) alone and the only system which can intimate this justice is the Shari'ah, which, because it is a revelation from Allah, is a human reflection of true justice and thus far superior any system based upon fallible human-derived laws.


    Hence, Islam accepts the principle of sanctuary - whatever a person may have done or is alleged to have done - because Islam accepts that every individual will ultimately by judged and sentenced by Allah. That is, Muslims accept that Allah is the final Judge, that His decision is always right and just, and that whatever punishment an individual receives on The Last Day will be a fitting one.

    Thus, Islam is not particularly concerned if a person seems, by Western standards, to be "evading justice": for that is only the fallible justice of the Courts of this world based on fallible man-derived laws, and they know that the person cannot escape the justice of Allah (SWT).


    There is a fundamental and importance difference here. Islam views the world, and people not only in a different way from the West, but in fact in opposition to the West. This difference can be simply but descriptively expressed by one word: Insha'Allah.

    The West accepts and believes that justice can reside in some Court, some Judge, some law, and in some decision reached by some Court, just as the West accepts that its officials have some kind of "right" to judge a person, and imprison them, and extradite them from anywhere.

    They believe this "right" is given to them by the people who, in theory at least, elect the government which makes their laws, appoints their officials and gives its Police and other forces the "authority" to act in their name.

    According to Islam, no government, no person, no people have the right to decide what is or is not just, or what is, or is not, unlawful. According to Islam, only Allah (SWT) has the right to do this, and has done this, in the revelation given to the Prophet Muhammad (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) which revelation is manifest in the Quran and the Sunnah.

    In a simple, but correct sense, the officials of Western governments, from their Police, to their Courts, to their armed forces, act in the name of "the people" or some appointed official such as a President, whereas in an Islamic society authority derives from the representative of Allah (SWT) - the Khalifah - who acts "in the Name of Allah".

    The West, in its arrogance - in its overstepping of the bounds of what is honourable - demands that Muslims and others adopt their fallible and tyrannical system, just as it demands the right to attack or invade any country in the world in pursuit of anyone it deems to be a criminal or a "terrorist". That is, the West has allotted to itself the role that rightly belongs to Allah (SWT) alone.


    The Taliban and Sheikh Osama bin Laden:


    The facts are not open to dispute: America demanded that the Taliban hand-over Sheikh Osama bin Laden in order for him to be tried in an American Court of law in connection with the attacks in America. This demand, the Americans made clear, was not open to negotiation: "You either surrender him, or we will attack you."

    The Taliban - in accordance with their Islamic principles and Islamic law - refused, since Sheikh Osama bin Laden was under their protection, having sought sanctuary in Afghanistan. However, they did say that if America provided them with evidence, their Islamic scholars would consider it, and if these scholars concluded there was evidence against Sheikh Osama bin Laden, they would allow him to be tried by an Islamic Court according to Islamic law either in Afghanistan, or another Islamic country.

    America contemptuously dismissed this offer from the Taliban, and continued pouring forth invective both against the Taliban and Sheikh Osama bin Laden. American officials said many times that they considered Sheikh Osama bin Laden guilty as their President pronounced him "an evil man." The American government then also declared that it wanted Sheikh Osama bin Laden "alive or dead". That is, they had judged him guilty, and sentenced him to death.

    The Americans then proceeded to bribe and blackmail the governments of various Islamic countries into supporting them, and launched their attacks against Afghanistan in order, in their own words, to "destroy the Taliban, remove them from power and put in their place a government sympathetic to America and the West." This new American-installed government would be firmly based on Western principles such as "democracy" just as its law would be based on Western law.


    In truth, as several Islamic scholars have explained (Footnote 1) the Taliban were the only government in the world which was based on Islamic principles and which insisted on upholding these principles in practice, and this alone sufficed to bring the wroth of the NWO down upon them:


    Our system is a true example of an Islamic system. For the enemies of our way of life and our Ummah, this system is like a thorn in their eyes, and they are trying to destroy it under various pretexts. (Mullah Mohammad 'Umar.)

    Having failed to oust the Taliban by economic sanctions, and having failed to get the so-called Northern Alliance to oust them despite supplying that alliance with weapons, funds, advisers and much else, the NWO decided on a more direct interventionist, imperialist, approach. To this end, they prepared the way by increasing their propaganda offensive against the Taliban in order to try and discredit them and the Islamic society they had created. In this dishonourable propaganda campaign no lie was too great, no scheme too devious, and no propaganda trick was missed.

    Many, many Muslims world-wide should be ashamed that they did nothing while the infidels of the NWO succeeded in their aim of removing the one true Islamic government in the world. Why did they not rise up against their corrupt, hypocritical rulers when those rulers sided with the infidels? Why did they not offer Qunot-e-Naazila? Why did they not counter the lying, dishonourable, anti-Islamic propaganda of the infidels? Why did they not participate in the Jihaad to defend a Muslim land? Why did the scholars, the Imans, that advised and guided them not explain the difference between true Islam and the "Islam" of the hypocrites who imitate the kuffar and who ally themselves with the kuffar? Why are these Muslims not now striving to organize themselves and begin the work of Dawah that will enable others to resist the decadence of the West?



    (1) For instance, Sheikh 'Abdullah al-Ghunayman and Shaykh AbdurRahman bin Barraak

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Zionists are a threat to you in what way?

    Unlike the Muslim cowards they attack military targets.

    Muslims are a threat to everyone because they have no logic, they attack civilian targets and that is terrorism. If they attacked military targets and not commuter trains cafes and supermarkets then they would not be viewed as the idiots the west view them as. A bunch of murderous undiciplined rabble killing women and children and sending children to blow themselves up amongst shoppers because the men are too cowardly to do it themselves. They hide amongst their women and children and use them to do the dirty work.
    It is an unfortunate truth that 99% of muslims are uneducated rabble being organised by a few hysterical fanatics who are only interested in milking the masses dry and feathering their own nest. Just look at the millions Arafat has syphoned off...I am yet to see a poor Muslim leader but the average muslim always has the arse hanging out of his pants.
    You lot need to wake up and realise whats really going on.
    The Zionists are not gang raping girls in our cities.....the Muslims are.
    Generation after generation the hated for all things non-muslim is ingrained to the point where they cannot think rationally for themsleves and realise what they are being told by there clerics is absolute garbage.

    Please if you can indulge me convince me that the Palestinians have a genuine claim over Israel.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Both Zionism and Islam is our enemy. I'd never ally myself with any of them.

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