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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    I think whats going on in Israel is a blessing that makes life a little easier to live. Everytime i hear a story about those 2 diseased breeds of semites (Arabs and Jews) killing each other in tit-for-tat attacks i give a little giggle and go on with my life with a biiiiig smile.
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    You admit that we live in the West; yet, you still recite islamicist rhetoric...
    You have not answered the question I asked - just repeated your rhetoric

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Yes, according to themselves they're not terrorists, but, as you said, "we here here in the West".
    And your point is?

    Mine was the Zionist propaganda against Islam and especially those who fight Zionism and its allies.



    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    OOOOO, indignation! How surprising. Why don't you get real? If you had any comprehensive ability, you would notice he is making threats. They attacked America, we reacted.
    Again, you are just repeating your rhetoric - or rather, the Zionist propaganda about the Muslims acting without a just cause. You have not it seems thought about the WHY - only thinking what the propagandists of the New World Order want you to think.

    I repeat - 9/11 and Madird have causes. They are the effects of Zionist terrorism, US aggression, US support for Zionism and US terrorism.

    Until the WHY is addressed, the issue will not be resolved in any significant way, and especially not in favor of "us" - i.e. Aryans and our culture, our way of life. ZOG, BTW, is not "us" just as the New World Order is not "us" - it is ZOG, an alien manifestation, a tyranny imposed upon us.

    I notice you said "we reacted". So, you support your local ZOG then?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    They attacked Spain,
    Did you ever stop and wonder why? I mean - apart from the usual ZOG rhetoric of they are "terrorists" and our "inferiors" and "everyone who supports their local ZOG" is fighting for "civilisation and freedom".

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    If they value their lives and those of their children" could also be applied to POON laden and his followers. After sending quite a few of his followers into the streets as suicide bombers, we still haven't heard of this "man's" brave, valiant end in the name of "allah".
    This man has fought for years as a warrior, lives as warrior, and so far has outwitted ZOG.

    I notice you made no mention of the bin Laden quote I posted. He tells it like it is, which is why of course he's hated by the Zionists and the lackeys in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Let's try this: you define terrorism. In all your defense of cowardice and quotations of poon laden,

    Getting bit ratty are we? Prejudice showing?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    YOU have also failed to define terrorism.
    Interesting that you turn ther question around and ask me, when it was I who first asked you. It is you who used the term and you who have failed to define it.

    Just do a search on Google. Or if you don't want to, here's one:

    The calculated use of unlawful violence to inculcate fear, intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological

    That's from the US gov BTW.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Why don't you pull yourself away from the al-jazeera for a couple of minutes and take some deep breaths.
    In truth I speak from personal knowledge and experience of the matters in debate here.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    You speak of "the other side of the story", but you don't seem to realize that WE are the other side of this story.
    No. "We" are not ZOG, we are not the New World Order, the allies of greater Israel, and so on. "We" are Aryans who have our own culture and ways - which are not the ways of the New World Order, or of the "modern West" with its material culture and its dishonorable un-Aryans laws and sham democracy and multi-cultural society.

    The US is fighting for Zionism, on behalf of Ziomism, to bring about Zionist aims.

    The Muslims such as bin Laden are fighting against Zionism and the allies of Zionism.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The zionists aren't our allies, neither are the palestinians. WE are our only allies.

    No, our allies can be anyone who choose to be allies - especially those fighting in a practical way our main enemy, the Zionists.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The only "support" I'll will ever give these "freedom fighters" is spiritual; I pray every day that each and every one those dirty, hairy camel-faced bastards has a bomb or missile dropped on their hut or whatever cave they happen to be dwelling in.
    And so say all the Zionists in the world...

    Now, if you can answer one of my original questions. The Muslims are fightiong our main enemy in a practical way, every day. "We" are not; we talk, we posture, we engage in discussions; we may even involve ourselves in politics in the blind hope ZOG may fall asleep and let us be voted into power.

    What are you doing to fight the enemy?

    "We" talk about honor, and warriors and being warriors - but do we fight, as warriors, with weapons? Do we take on our enemies in a practical way? No.

    "We" talk and then "we" (or some of "us") deride and try to demean those warriors who actually are fighting our main enemy - those who are real warriors.

    Note - "we" talk about honor; even your avatar mentions honor. But act with honor? Talk with honor? Be honorable? Think honorably, like a true Aryan?

    Your words betray you.

    As I said in another reply - until "we" understand honor, act with honor, think with honor, "we" won't know what it is we are fighting for.
    Last edited by rhadley; Thursday, March 25th, 2004 at 09:41 PM.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    And your point is?
    According to islamicist "logic", they aren't terrorists; my point: the West is not muslim, so being an individual of Western extraction, I find their reasoning alittle kooky.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Again, you are just repeating your rhetoric - or rather, the Zionist propaganda about the Muslims acting without a just cause. You have not it seems thought about the WHY - only thinking what the propagandists of the New World Order want you to think.
    Well, since most of us don't seem to understand the "why", explain. Maybe I can try: they have a cause, but the "method to the madness" is just that-insane.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    I notice you said "we reacted". So, you support your local ZOG then?
    I don't support zog, I support the coalition against international terroroism.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Interesting that you turn ther question around and ask me, when it was I who first asked you.
    So that's what happened, I had no idea. Thanks for teaching me a lesson.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    What are you doing to fight the enemy?
    More than you, I wager. I see al-queda and their sort as much of an enemy as zog.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    "We" talk and then "we" (or some of "us") deride and try to demean those warriors who actually are fighting our main enemy - those who are real warriors.
    Am I a part of the "us"? Funny, it seems more people agree with the me "us" than the you "us". Warriors don't strap dynamite on their backs and blow-up diners and schools.

    Call me old-fashioned, but when one speaks of honor they should at least TRY to have a little when conducting "business".

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Comfy, isn't it?
    Is what comfy? Being CORRECT, not being splatter painted in Jerusalem, or both? I say both.
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    This man has fought for years as a warrior, lives as warrior, and so far has outwitted ZOG.
    "this man" is an boviously partially Negroid individual who has spent years directing terrorism with the end-view of imposing Islam forcibly on millions of white Europeans, among others, regardless of their wishes. The fact you support him so vehemantly says reems about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    No, our allies can be anyone who choose to be allies - especially those fighting in a practical way our main enemy, the Zionists.
    Our main enemy are the Islamists. They are the ones killing hundreds of whites in terrorist attacks. They are the ones that openly plot to invade Europe and turn it into an Muslim continent. They are the ones who have migrated into white countries by the millions. They are the ones who are outbreeding our native populations and threatening our racial existance in a very real manner. They are the ones who cause riots and attack white youths, turning entire areas of our inner cities into no-go areas for the natives.

    The Jews are scumbags, and they have lied to us and manipulated us in the past and present. But they simply dont have the numbers to threaten our racial existance at the moment and as such are more of an indirect threat (in their role of propoganderising our youth into miscegenation) than in a direct sense like the Arabs are. The fact i dislike Jews doesnt mean i have to like Arabs or muslims, in fact, given the choice, id rather side with a Jew against a muslim than vice-versa. Thankfully in the current political climate i can sit back and happily watch them slaughter each other.

    Arabs are scum, i despise them in a personal way that i just dont feel for other races, and id be happy if they all disappeared into a Jewish refugee camp tomorrow.
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    According to islamicist "logic", they aren't terrorists; my point: the West is not muslim, so being an individual of Western extraction, I find their reasoning alittle kooky.
    As an Aryan, I try and use reason to understand the world, and accept honor as a code to determine both actions and thought. Sometimes, I might fail but we are all too human

    This means I eschew propaganda in my attempts to understand, and do not prejudge things on the basis of prejudice.

    These guidelines have led me to understand what Islam is, who Muslims are, and what they are fighting - as well as the reasons for such things as 9/11.

    For me, honor and reason are hallmarks of my own Aryan culture. They define it.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Well, since most of us don't seem to understand the "why", explain. Maybe I can try: they have a cause, but the "method to the madness" is just that-insane.
    Their main cause is simple - to rule their own lands according to their own culture, their own laws. To have the freedom to ive according to the princviples of Islam. This means getting rid of puppet leaders who are lackeys of the US (and thus of the Zionists). This means kicking out by force of arms the invaders - the US in Iraq, in Afghanistan for instance. This means regaining the land in Palestine the Zio0nists have occupied.

    This means an end to all outside interference in their affairs, and the establihsment of what we would call an Islamic State - which they would call a Khilafah - ruled according to their laws. This type of "State" would not be "democratic" and it would breed warriors - fighting men. This "State" would also not have Western laws imposed upon as it would reject the UN - which is basically a tool now of New World Order aggression and tyranny.

    Now, we may not agree with this Islam - I don't personally - as we may not agree with their customs and laws. Again, I don't personally. But because of honor and reason and my NS belief that diversity of culture should be encouraged, and homelands for each culture be established, I accept and understand their right to have their own homelands run according to their laws and customs.

    Such a homeland or homelands is what I as a National Socialist want for my own people. They have a right to theirs, as we should have a right to ours.

    I follow Myatt's vision of such diverse homelands cooperating together - vision shared by Hitler and the SS did in the late 30's and early 40's.

    In addition, because of honor, I view the occupation, terror and aggression committed by the US gov, the Zionists and their allies as dishonorable, and accept the Muslims have a right, a need, to resist it.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I don't support zog, I support the coalition against international terroroism.
    Then why not as I wrote earlier condemn the greater terrorism of the US and the Zionists?

    They are far more terrorist than the Muslims who resist their terrorism.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I see al-queda and their sort as much of an enemy as zog.
    Excellent!

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Am I a part of the "us"? Funny, it seems more people agree with the me "us" than the you "us". Warriors don't strap dynamite on their backs and blow-up diners and schools.
    I never said I agreed with such tactics. I said I understand the reasoning behind them - especially in occupied Palestine where the Muslims have only small arms against missles, tanks, planes, gunships and an American equipped Army, and where the terror and brutality against them, conducted for decades, breeds a fierce determination to resist and where most adult citizens of Israel are regarded as fair game.

    The way to address the problem here is for the Zionist terror, brutality, murder and oppression to end, and for the Muslims there to have their own land ruled by their own laws. They do not want a small enclosed area where their power is only a token one and where that power can be taken away any time by the Zionist, American funded and supplied, Army.

    There would be no need for martyrdom operations, in Palestine or the West, if the New World Order and the Zionists stopped oppressing Muslims and stopped interfering in their affairs.

    The cause is this interference, this oppression - and the injutsice, the terror, the murder, the brutality - that goes with it.

    Such operations result from that cause. Eliminate the cause, and they will cease.

    Why, only a few hours ago US troops killed several civilians in Iraq, including a baby. Isn't that dishonorable? Won't that breed more determination among Muslims to avenge such crimes?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamopy
    "this man" is an boviously partially Negroid individual who has spent years directing terrorism with the end-view of imposing Islam forcibly on millions of white Europeans, among others, regardless of their wishes. The fact you support him so vehemantly says reems about you.
    See my reply here from which I shall quote:

    As an Aryan, I try and use reason to understand the world, and accept honor as a code to determine both actions and thought.

    This means I eschew propaganda in my attempts to understand, and do not prejudge things on the basis of prejudice.

    These guidelines have led me to understand what Islam is, who Muslims are, and what they are fighting - as well as the reasons for such things as 9/11.

    For me, honor and reason are hallmarks of my own Aryan culture. They define it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamopy
    Our main enemy are the Islamists.
    No, our main enemy are the Zionists and the ZOG's, the New World Order they have created.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamopy
    They are the ones killing hundreds of whites in terrorist attacks.
    Why? Ask yourself why. Don;t just follow the ZOG Party line as you seem to be doing.

    I have tried to answer this "why" in my reply to magilla gorilla.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jamopy
    They are the ones that openly plot to invade Europe and turn it into an Muslim continent. They are the ones who have migrated into white countries by the millions.
    And we are the ones that prompted all this by our colonialism and we are the ones that create such a desire in them to immigrate to our lands by our decadence, our materialism, our weakness - our own lack of identity, and our own lack of control, as Aryans, of our own homelands.

    "We" - as Aryans aware of our culture - do not rule our own lands. Zionist lackeys do. Our lands are not ruled according to our laws but according to the laws imposed upon us. How many of really know what our own unique Aryan laws are, for instance?

    "We" have allowed all this to happen. The solution is in our hands. To blame someone else for the problems we have is incorrect - sheer prejudice - and not helpful at all in regaining our lands, in saving our culture, our people, in creating the ethnic homelands we need.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jamopy
    The Jews are scumbags, and they have lied to us and manipulated us in the past and present. But they simply dont have the numbers to threaten our racial existance at the moment and as such are more of an indirect threat
    Sorry mate, you're simply wrong here. The Zionists control things by proxy, using their social engineering (their social ideas and laws) to create anti-Aryan societies and using the power of the Media to brainwash our people into mindlessly accepting a decadent hedonistic society where true nobility and true Aryan character rarely exist. Myatt's essays about Jewish "social engineering" are interesting here.

    Fact is, the Muslims do understand how the Zionists rule things: how they now rule the world by proxy, despite their "small numbers". This from the former Prime Minister of Malaysia: "today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them."

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    As an Aryan, I try and use reason to understand the world, and accept honor as a code to determine both actions and thought. Sometimes, I might fail but we are all too human
    We finally agree on something. That's a start.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    For me, honor and reason are hallmarks of my own Aryan culture. They define it.
    I'm not saying you have no honor, I'm saying that ANYBODY who uses cowardice against the civilian populace is devoid of honor. Be it Israel, the Palestinians or ANYBODY.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    These guidelines have led me to understand what Islam is, who Muslims are, and what they are fighting - as well as the reasons for such things as 9/11.
    I USED to support Palestinian independence as a means to stop the quibbling in the Mid-East; but, "such things as 9/11" are inexcusable and cost them multitudes of legitimate support. How did MLK and Ghandi, unfortunately for us, win their struggles? Not by hijacking planes into buildings.

    The US might overtly support the Israelis, but how does that establish the US as a valid "military" target? American civilians are just as innocent as these Palestinians you go on-and-on about.

    The Spain blasts can't justifiably be blamed on the military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq; these actions wouldn't have happened if the attacks on the World Trade Center had not taken place.

    Also, if the US was really controlled by an international conspiracy to destroy Islam, why then, in 1999, did the US send troops to aid-and-abet European muslims against Serbian aggression?

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Now, we may not agree with this Islam - I don't personally - as we may not agree with their customs and laws. Again, I don't personally. But because of honor and reason and my NS belief that diversity of culture should be encouraged, and homelands for each culture be established, I accept and understand their right to have their own homelands run according to their laws and customs.
    I do still believe they deserve a homeland run according to their laws and culture; but so do we. Yes, diversity of culture should be encouraged, but the muslims in America and Europe are in violation of this belief. They are constantly attempting to change things. What about Western civilization? Is our time in the spotlight over? One can't support both sides in a conflict.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    There would be no need for martyrdom operations, in Palestine or the West, if the New World Order and the Zionists stopped oppressing Muslims and stopped interfering in their affairs.
    There shouldn't be any martyrdom operations in the West anyways. Killing 192 White-European Spaniards doesn't teach the zionists anything. All these attacks are good for is lessening the amount of White genetics on Earth. That is what zog wants. Oddly enough, the muslims and zog have a common cause: the annihilation of Western man and his society.


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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I'm not saying you have no honor,
    Good, or you might have received a challenge to a duel

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I'm saying that ANYBODY who uses cowardice against the civilian populace is devoid of honor. Be it Israel, the Palestinians or ANYBODY.
    Which BTW is exactly what I said. So we agree, again.



    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The US might overtly support the Israelis, but how does that establish the US as a valid "military" target?
    Because this is war.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    American civilians are just as innocent as these Palestinians you go on-and-on about.
    True, but this is war. The German civilians killed in places like Dresden and hamburg were "innocent", as were the Japanese killed by the atomic bombs. That was war. This is war.

    To stop such things, the war itself must be stopped. we're not talking about two armies composed of honorable warriors here - we're talking the reality which exists on the ground.

    This reality is of brutal repression, terror and occupation by "our" troops and their allies. It is of "our" governments lying in the most dishonorable way, and being allowed to get away with it. It is about "us" acting like bullies and complaining when the people were are bullying strike out a few times.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The Spain blasts can't justifiably be blamed on the military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq;
    Yes they can be blamed on Spain's overt support of the US and its active support in the occupation of Iraq.


    We keep being told that we live in democratic countries - that our government rules in our name and does deeds in our name. Who then is responsible for what "our" governments do in our name?

    If we don't like it - change the governnment by peaceful means, as in Spain, or by revolt, revolution.

    Again, it's cause and effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    these actions wouldn't have happened if the attacks on the World Trade Center had not taken place.
    Wrong as I tried to explain in a previous reply. The causes lie fifty to eighty or more years ago - that's how long "we" have been interfering in their affairs; occupying their lands.

    Don't forget the Balfour declaration; the creation of Iraq by the British occupiers.


    Anyways, the US was planning to invade Afghanistan anyway, as leaked reports have now shown

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Also, if the US was really controlled by an international conspiracy to destroy Islam, why then, in 1999, did the US send troops to aid-and-abet European muslims against Serbian aggression?

    This is a common misconception - courtesy of Zionist misinformation machine - which I've answered on another thread.

    That conflict was not about Islam - it was about nationalism. Serbian. Albanian, and Kosovo.

    The New World Order/the Zionists, did not want an independant racial nationalist nation in Europe - i.e. Serbia. So they set about destroying it, mainly using the UN and NATO.

    The plight of the "Muslims" in that area was just an excuse they used to undermine and attack Serbia.

    Now this excuse of theirs has come in very handy again for them, as they can use it to show how the US is not (HAHA) conducting a war against Islam.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I do still believe they deserve a homeland run according to their laws and culture; but so do we. Yes, diversity of culture should be encouraged, but the muslims in America and Europe are in violation of this belief.
    You'll find that most of what is called the "Jihadists" - correctly, the followers of authentic Islam - want these Muslims to leave the West and held build and maintain the Khilafah. They thus want a new Hijirah, or emigration, of Muslims from non-Muslim lands to a new Muslim one.

    This was already beginning to happen in Afghanistan before the US invaded. Many thousands of Muslims were moving there, from the West, to live, and one plan by the Taliban was to encourage this Muslim immigration on a large scale.

    So, you see, in this respect also, our ideals converge. A strong Khilafah, an indepedant Muslim nation, would be of great benefit for us.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    They are constantly attempting to change things. What about Western civilization? Is our time in the spotlight over? One can't support both sides in a conflict.
    I of course support my own Aryan culture, but we are no where near gaining any sort of power. Look what happened to Serbia when it appeared it would become an ethnic homeland. Look what happened to NS Germany.

    Our real enemies are powerful. We are going to have to fight for our folk, for a homeland, in a practical way, sooner or later. I don't beleive we're ever going to be voted into power - so many of our own people just don't support us, don't even know their identity, and we lack a real man (or woman!) of Destiny to lead us. Plus, ZOG is not just going to sit back and let us take power somewhere. Look what happened in Austria - did those who were a little bit on "our side" assume government positions even given the percentage of their vote? No. Why not? Because the powers-that-be froze them out.

    But such things aside, we need a real revolution - a return to our values; our laws, our Aryan way of life. That is, National Socialism or something very much like it. But even that is only a start.

    Imagine what would happen if by some chance a racial nationalist group took power in say Europe. Sanctions by the UN; bleating about a "rogue" State. Talk of invasion. Some excuse to invade - say another WMD lie, or whatever (probably to do with "racism" and those nasty nazis). Then invasion - to "liberate" the people and establish "democracy" and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    There shouldn't be any martyrdom operations in the West anyways.
    There shouldn't be any US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. There shouldn't be Zionist occupation of Palestine. There shouldn't be the terror of the Zionists and the US. And so on.

    As I said - if the US and others let the Muslims alone, then such things will stop. What's happening now will only prolong the conflict and make it worse. It's only creating more hatred; more determination.

    This is war. The way to change things is to change the governments who conduct the war.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Killing 192 White-European Spaniards doesn't teach the zionists anything.
    No but it should teach us something - as the Spanish realized and so changed their pro-US government.

    What were Spanish troops doing in Muslim lands? Why was the Spanish government supporting US and Zionist terror?

    It's cause and effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    All these attacks are good for is lessening the amount of White genetics on Earth. That is what zog wants. Oddly enough, the muslims and zog have a common cause: the annihilation of Western man and his society.
    Totally incorrect. The Muslims want to be left alone; they want their own homelands.

    It's our goverments who have created the problem and who are making it worse. Until we stop invading their lands, stop aiding Zionist terrorism and oppression, stop interfering in their lands - all for the benefit of the Zionists BTW - we can expect more attacks. For this is now war.

    It is up to those (few) of us who really understand what is going on to try and change things. Just repeating the lies of the Zionists and their lackeys about a "war against terror" will only aid the Zionists and only harm our own people.

    The bottom line is that it is we - our goverments - who are responsible for this mess. It is them who brought about the situation - first by the Balfour declaration; then by creating artiificial "nations" in the mid-East (like Iraq and Kuwait); then by creating and supporting puppet pro-Western governments in these once Muslim lands; then by supporting the occupation of Palestine by the Zionists; then by supporting the killing of thousands upon thousands of Palestinains; then by imposing sanctions on such countries as Iraq when they tried to go their own way - which sanctions BTW killed nearly half a million Iraqi children. Then by invading Muslim lands - Afghanistan; Iraq. And so on.

    It is very interesting that the much vaunted new Iraqi constitution was written by the CIA - mostly by a Jew, one Noah Feldman.

    Now imagine if - say - your own land was invaded by a foreign army; people were rounded up by occupation troops; civilians killed by them. You know it's an occupation even though the rest of the world says it's "liberation".

    Then the occupying powers install a puppet government - arrest or kill anyone who is against it; they torture their prisoners. Then the occupying say you've going to have a new "constitution" which they will draw up and which won't allow you to live acording to yur own laws and customs - and they get one of your enemies to draw up this constitution for you. Your occupiers bleat about how they've "saved" you and you should be thankful to them - like the victims of a bully are expected to be thankful for being bullied.

    Wouldn't you be pleased with all this? What would you feel? Rage?

    Again, the situation in the Mid-East and elsewhere is our fault - "we" voted for the politicians who have done all these things; we tolerate the occupation of their lands and the terrorism and oppression that goes with it.

    Of course, there is some opposition in the West to all this. But this opposition is powerless. The war against Iraq went ahead. People like Blair wriggle out of their lies, their deceit; these "leaders" condone the killing of tens of thousands of Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere and then spew forth words about "terrorism" when a few hundred people in the West are killed in retaliation.

    People like Bush and Blair have more blood on their hands than people like OBL - and "our" leaders then have the chutzpah to whine about the killing of a few hundred people.

    The answer is simple: stop interfering in their affairs.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Because this is war.
    Another instance of agreement.


    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    This reality is of brutal repression, terror and occupation by "our" troops and their allies. It is of "our" governments lying in the most dishonorable way, and being allowed to get away with it. It is about "us" acting like bullies and complaining when the people were are bullying strike out a few times.
    What about the Warsaw uprising? They, too, were civilians. Unreasonably violent, armed civilians. Is this yet another similarity between the two (islam/zog)?

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    If we don't like it - change the governnment by peaceful means, as in Spain, or by revolt, revolution.
    That "election" in Spain was a revolution; a revolution fueled by fear of a "faceless" enemy, an enemy who hides behind the guise of freedom fighters. This "election" is another example of "bending-over and asking for some more" from these present-day moors and their peers.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    True, but this is war. The German civilians killed in places like Dresden and hamburg were "innocent", as were the Japanese killed by the atomic bombs. That was war. This is war.
    The mass-killings of the Germans was the attempted annihilation of the German race, this plan was called the Lindemann Plan. Read This: http://www.heretical.com/miscella/veale.html

    Nuking the Japs was necessary to guarantee that White soldiers would not have to invade on foot into Japan. Which of the following is more beneficial to our society: (A.)invading by foot and throwing away thousands of White lives or (B.)"dropping the bomb" and saving thousands of White lives? (B.)!

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Don't forget the Balfour declaration; the creation of Iraq by the British occupiers.
    How can I forget; we've been dealing with these "people" ever since. Also, Balfour was British, not German, Spanish, American, Canadian, French, etc. Blame for Balfour is solely that of the British government.

    "His Majesty's Government views with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    This is a common misconception - courtesy of Zionist misinformation machine - which I've answered on another thread.

    That conflict was not about Islam - it was about nationalism. Serbian. Albanian, and Kosovo.

    The New World Order/the Zionists, did not want an independant racial nationalist nation in Europe - i.e. Serbia. So they set about destroying it, mainly using the UN and NATO.

    The plight of the "Muslims" in that area was just an excuse they used to undermine and attack Serbia.

    Now this excuse of theirs has come in very handy again for them, as they can use it to show how the US is not (HAHA) conducting a war against Islam.
    If this were entirely the truth, we could stop this discussion now; but, that's not the case.
    Serbian nationalism is firmly cemented with Christian Orthodoxy; Christian Orthodoxy has ALWAYS been an enemy of islam. Russia, Ukraine, Greece, and, last-but-not-least, Serbia are predominantly Christian Orthodox and have never been perceived by anybody as allies of Islam. My point is; the war was an act by Serbian Orthodox Christian Nationalism to establish an ethnically and religiously defined Nation. That is why the US/UN/NATO interfered. We both understand that.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    You'll find that most of what is called the "Jihadists" - correctly, the followers of authentic Islam - want these Muslims to leave the West and held build and maintain the Khilafah. They thus want a new Hijirah, or emigration, of Muslims from non-Muslim lands to a new Muslim one.
    Good! When will this start? After we've all been blown-up and/or bred-out? Dear God, I hope not!
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Our real enemies are powerful. We are going to have to fight for our folk, for a homeland, in a practical way, sooner or later. I don't beleive we're ever going to be voted into power - so many of our own people just don't support us, don't even know their identity, and we lack a real man (or woman!) of Destiny to lead us. Plus, ZOG is not just going to sit back and let us take power somewhere. Look what happened in Austria - did those who were a little bit on "our side" assume government positions even given the percentage of their vote? No. Why not? Because the powers-that-be froze them out.
    No argument here! But, fairly speaking, sitting back and bad-mouthing our respective governments' militaries is counter-productive to our cause, national and international. The enemy is in control of the world because they are in command of the world militaries; control the militaries and you control the governments; "checks-and-balances" works on oh-so-many planes.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    As I said - if the US and others let the Muslims alone, then such things will stop. What's happening now will only prolong the conflict and make it worse. It's only creating more hatred; more determination.
    No, if the muslims are left alone it would only prove to them that by killing hundreds-of-thousands of Westerners they can get what they want; example, the Spanish "election", which will probably become a 21st century Versailles Treaty breeding nothing but resentment, animosity and future conflict. Almost a new Balfour Declaration.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    No but it should teach us something - as the Spanish realized and so changed their pro-US government.

    What were Spanish troops doing in Muslim lands? Why was the Spanish government supporting US and Zionist terror?

    It's cause and effect.
    The only thing it taught me and others, I presume, is that the "majority" of people have no moral fortitude to wake-up and expel the filth and scum that is littering their respective Nations. By voting for the Socialist/Left, it also throws out any cohesion between the pro-Spaniard Right and the anti-terror Center. Now, not only is the pro-islam party in charge, the leftists are now, once-again, in charge. This means that even MORE africans, muslims, and anyone else of non-european ethnic pre-determination can "come-on-up" to Spain and use Europe as a safe-house to "master-mind" the downfall of not-only zog, but also of Western Civilization.
    What are muslims doing in Spanish lands; causing trouble and nurturing even more resentment than what was already existent throughout Europe. So, it IS cause and effect.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    The answer is simple: stop interfering in their affairs.
    I have another answer; they stop interfering in OUR affairs and MAYBE I'll begin to see them as less of an enemy. If this ever occurs maybe islam and I can be "buddies"; until then I don't see how we can be allies with islam; the existence of a common enemy doesn't constitute a "military" or a cultural alliance. Maybe an uneasy "friendship", but definitely not an alliance.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla

    That "election" in Spain was a revolution;
    We shall have to wait and see whether anything really changes there - so far, it's only words, and only a change in government.

    There are consequences to actions. So far, the "West" - the New World Order (NWO) run by our enemy, the Zionists - has only experienced a few consequences of their actions in the Mid-East and elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    This "election" is another example of "bending-over and asking for some more" from these present-day moors and their peers.
    As I said, it is more a case of cause and effect. The result of war.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    and saving thousands of White lives?
    As I keep saying - if "we", WN, National Socialists or others - do not wish to see our kindred killed, we should do something about the cause. The fundamental cause is the NWO and its aggression in support of Zionism and the social engineering of our own ZOG's.

    The cause is not - I repeat not - the actions of Muslims, just as the cause of Whites killing Whites (The Allies against the Axis), and Japanese killing Whites in Word War Two was not NS Germany but again the Zionists, who brought about WWII. America in WWII fought on the wrong side, for the wrong cause, and has they been defeated by Japan then it is possible that Germany may have won. Thus would the whole face of Europe been different from now.

    Just because some Army contains Whites - or is mostly White - does make make the cause of that Army an Aryan one or a good one. In the same way, if a "White" army or mostly White army is fighting on behalf of our enemy, then the defeat of that Army is in the long term a "good thing" for us.

    The fact is the US occupation Army in Iraq and elewhere is fighting for the Zionists. Once again, Whites are doing the dirty work for the Zionists - as they did in WWII.

    Once again, the Zionists have managed to pursuade the majority of Whites that the enemy of the Zionists is the enemy of "Whites" and should be fought. In WWII it was NS Germany, and their allies (including the Japanese). Now, it is the Muslims.

    That the majority of Whites have once again been taken in by Zionist propaganda just shows how little "we" as a people have changed - how easily manipualted the majority of Whites are.

    How many Whites before and during WWII had the insight, the understanding, the courage, to stand against the majority in the US and places like Britain, and say the real enemy were the Zionists, not the Germans, not the Japanese? How many refused to be swept along and refused to fight for Zionism? How many did something practical and worked for the Germans?

    If you can't see how once again we Whites are being manipulated by Zionist lies and propaganda so that our resources - especially our armies - are used to aid the Zionists, then you can't

    Frankly, I am amazed at how many WN's seem to have been "taken in" - just like the GI's in WWII were taken in by all the anti-Japanese propaganda. Isn't it strange how the Zionists will encourage and allow "racial prejudice" and racial stereotyping by Whites against others when it suits them and their aims, and then "won't tolerate it" when it's not needed any more.

    In WWII it was "the Japs"; now it's the Muslims...


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    [left]"His Majesty's Government views with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,

    It was the Zionist movement which brought about - through their influence on the British government then - this Balfour declaration.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    [left]Serbian nationalism is firmly cemented with Christian Orthodoxy; Christian Orthodoxy has ALWAYS been an enemy of islam. Russia, Ukraine, Greece, and, last-but-not-least, Serbia are predominantly Christian Orthodox and have never been perceived by anybody as allies of Islam.

    I am talking about the realities which exist now in the world. The reality of Zionist powwer. The reality of the NWO. The reality of "our" governments being totally anti-Aryan; of most Whites being manipulated to fight on behalf of the Zionists (again). And so on.

    Allies can change - when and if necessary.

    Our foremost enemy today is the NWO and the people who control it: the Zionists. Our allies should be chosen on this reality. We must be practical if we want to attin power for our people. We must stop living in the past just as we must stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated by Zionist propaganda - this means us using reason, and honor to judge things.

    I don't give a **** what "our" allies "used to be". The reality, on the ground, is that "our" governments are no longer Aryan - and we live under a ZOG which is part of the NWO. The reality, on the ground, is that Muslims are actively fighting our real enemies, and that we WN's are not doing practical things against our enemies.

    The reality, on the ground, is that our people are being manipulated and brainwashed - again - to fight and die on behalf of our real enemies.

    As I said, this is either understood, or it is not. Frankly, I don't think it is understood, even among most WN's, which I do find surprising. Many WN's allow their prejudices against Muslims- which prejudice interestingly the Zionists are now encouraging - to come before reason and honor.

    I rest my case. It seems the reality is not being understood here.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    ]No, if the muslims are left alone it would only prove to them that by killing hundreds-of-thousands of Westerners they can get what they want;
    This seems a very parochial view IMHO. Either the reality on the ground is understood - either the root cause is understood - or they are not. It seems not.

    The reality is Zionist power and influence. The reality is that they this power is our greatest problem. The root cause of the current conflict is "our" interference - the interference of "our" governments - in Muslims affairs these past eighty or more years, with this interference being in support of Zionism and its aims.

    This has resulted in what is now a war.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    I have another answer; they stop interfering in OUR affairs and MAYBE I'll begin to see them as less of an enemy.
    How very generous

    Again, the onus is upon "us" - we are the ones occupying their lands. We are the ones aiding Zionism. We are the ones killing their sons, daughters, fathers, mothers. We are the ones oppressing and torturing them. We are the ones installing puppet governments. We are the colonialists. And all for the sake of "greater Israel" and the aims of the Zionist NWO.

    "They" are now in our lands in such great numbers because of what we did in the past - because of our imperialism - and because our lands present them with opportunities. We cannot blame them for immigrating - our ancestors did exactly the same thing - they went fornm Europe to America, to Canada, to Australia, and other places, in search of a new life, in search of wealth, to make a new start.

    As I said in respect of this immigration - we are now reaping what we have sown. But this immigration has little or nothing to do with either Islam or the current conflict. A lot of immigrants to the West are not Muslim.

    The establishment of real Islamic nations would reverse this trend, at least as far as Muslims are concerned - for such nations would encourage the return of Muslims, as the Taliban wanted. It is interesting that the nation the Taliban established was destroyed by the US acting on behalf of the Zionists.

    As I said above - I rest my case. It seems so clear that the underlying problems here are not understood, and that are lot of WN's seem to have been taken in by Zionist propaganda, and seem unwilling or unable to view these things in an Aryan way - that is, with reason, and honor.

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