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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by bocian
    I agree, there is nothing moderate or liberal about most Muslims, period.

    BTW, Ladygoeth, do you base your opinion solely on what you've read? Or do you have any actual first hand experiences with Muslims which you can base your opinions on?

    Pesronally I have never met a moderate Muslim, not even a female one.

    And I do not like to generalize.
    I do not like to generalize as well but I find it hard to believe when someone claims that European Muslims are moderate just because they are Europeans.Albanian muslims burning churches in Kosovo doesn't sound so moderate to me.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Many Muslims know how to pretend to be decent Americans when living in the USA. Yet privately they are the same fanatical people that throw acid on the faces of adulterous women (including their own sisters, if she has sex out of wedlock), etc. I'm sure many of them pretend to be "moderate" Muslims when talking to gullible white people - and then proceed to send money to Al-Qaeda type organizations.

    Yet their society offers a very interesting contrast to Western liberalism/individualism.
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: Why "muslicism" is NOT our ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Hello rhadley.

    What does one who supports radical islam as an ally of NS/WN/etc. say to the families of white victims of islamic terrorism?
    You blame those who really are responsible - that is, the Zionists and their allies, especially the US gov for their interference in Muslim affairs, their occupation of Muslim lands and their global terrorism.

    The events of 9/11 had a cause - the occupation of Palestine by the Zionists, Zionist terror and oppression, and the US support of same, not to mention interference in Muslim affairs etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla

    Also, I don't see any benefits from throwing in my lot with these towel-headed pillow-biters;



    And what an honorable reasonable comment that is, not! - based on personal experience of Muslims, I assume?

    The fact is - the Muslims are fighting Zionism and its allies in a practical way. We aren't - we just moan and talk and talk and moan, and cling to the delusion that we can be "elected" into power. What stupidity.

    Those people you decry are doing something practical about the greatest problem today. What are you doing? What are you going to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    in case you haven't noticed, rhadley, there is currently an international war on terrorism, which islam WILL lose.
    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla

    In case you hadn't noticed the US and the Zionists are far greater terrorists - they've killed tens of thousands of "innocent civilians" in the past few years. Far more than the Muslims.

    In case you hadn't noticed - the US and the Zionists herd people into concentration camps, torture them, assassinate them, destroy their homes and occupy their land, detain people for years without trial, and lie to their own people.

    Who's honorable here?

    Is it "terrorism" to defend one's own homeland and people as the Muslims have done and are doing?

    What is terrorism? Something only your enemy does?

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    [font=Arial]We strive to preserve EUROPEAN culture, not goat-raping mid-eastern sub-humanity.
    I for one don't want to defend a socalled culture that is so dishonorable it calls a whole people by the epithets you used.

    Go read Myatt's definition of culture BTW.

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    Post Why islam is NOT our ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    You blame those who really are responsible - that is, the Zionists and their allies, especially the US gov for their interference in Muslim affairs, their occupation of Muslim lands and their global terrorism.

    The events of 9/11 had a cause - the occupation of Palestine by the Zionists, Zionist terror and oppression, and the US support of same, not to mention interference in Muslim affairs etc.
    Don't get me wrong; I don't support Irsael, nor do I support international finance of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Responsibility for terrorism lies on the terrorists, be it the Israelis or the Palestinians. Last time I checked 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by US or Israeli operatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    And what an honorable reasonable comment that is, not! - based on personal experience of Muslims, I assume?
    Oh, that's precious! What you've done here is you took my comment and misconstrued it into some kind of veiled assault on my heterosexuality. Never seen that done before...not.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Who's honorable here?
    The people that aren't HIJACKING PLANES AND FLYING THEM INTO BUILDINGS.

    The US is thousands of miles away from the mid-east; so, how did 9/11 help the Palestinians achieve independence? It didn't and it never will.

    The US REACTED to the islamic attacks, not the other way around. How has terrorism ever won the support of intelligent, sane people? Northern Ireland? No. Palestine? No. Chechnya? No. Notice the trend? Probably not.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    What is terrorism? Something only your enemy does?
    No. Example. Timothy McVeigh wasn't our enemy, but he was a terrorist and got what he deserved in the end. Terrorism=truck bombs, plane hijackings, assassinations, etc.

    Terrorism is not revolutionary, it is cowardice. The American Revolution? Successful. Russian Civil War? Successful. Spanish Civil War? Successful. Those weren't just random attacks on civilians and foreign entities, but combat between two or more groups with varying beliefs, ideologies, etc.

    Go read any dictionary's definition of terrorism BTW.
    Last edited by Fraxinus Excelsior; Thursday, March 25th, 2004 at 04:50 AM.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Vast generalization. What was "Europe" a 1,000 years ago? What was Islam? Maybe if Charles Martel had lost we'd have a much more civilized society now, without Zionist control. HHOS!




    Only because of American and European support - without this financial and military aid, it was have ceased to exist before now.

    BTW one reason for the invasion of Iraq was because it might have posed a threat to Israel. Same now with Iran - which is why the CIA is busy creating internal dissent there.

    Aryans are being used to aid Israel - as in Iraq.

    But Israel has not even won, even given its terrorism, and all this support and its vast, American given military might. The Palestinians are still resisting. See what happened in Jenin a few years ago. I'll post an article about the Muslim heroic defence of Jenin if you like.



    No you probably don't. But if you lived in occupied Palestine you might. Most adults in Israel are Army reservists and thus considered a legitimate target.

    Anyways, you're viewing such things from a Western point of view, imposing Western criteria on them - not considering them how Muslims consider them, from their own way of life.




    Well, it's simply amazing now much the Zionist anti-Muslim propaganda has succeeded among WN. What a triumph for them.

    And such comments are surely - and I'm going to be really controversial here - are simple prejudice and thus dishonorable, and thereby un-Aryan.

    Let's rise above this prejudice, this dishonour, and think and behave like Aryans, like honorable, fair, people. Is that asking too much?

    Dicke Quatsch, what made Islam such a alluring "civilisation" was mainly by aborbing the pre-Islamic Semitic patrimony, the science of the Jews and Sabeans, the artistic splendour of Persia and the bureaucratic skills and structures set up by the Byzantines...

    Japan kept themselves to their native heathen Shinto belief and look what a magnificent and prosper, upright and thriving nation it has become, it didn't need Islam....
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    ...and Muslims are today a threat to my special guys, the Papuans on Irian Jaya, they cut their forrests and draw them back to the most inhospitable places, while newcomers from the overpopulated Java and Sumatra settle down.

    I stand side by side with the Papuans, they might be damn ugly people, but in a rustique and primitive way that has something compelling about it, unlike those dross races(if you want to use that term for the Middle Eastern filth) and their backward mentality and utter insignificance in cultural achievements and assets....

    And dont start rambling about a common enemy, the Jews or the Zionists(including Gentiles), if you cant face the enemy on your own without showing aggression en groupe and worst of all, with a band of degenerated foreigners, you're nothing more than a spineless cowardly bastard....a quality than many Muslims in the West assume, when they molest old ladies to snap away their bags and money....
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Wednesday, March 24th, 2004 at 09:05 PM.

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    Post Re: Why islam is NOT our ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Don't get me wrong; I don't support Irsael, nor do I support international finance of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Responsibility for terrorism lies on the terrorists,
    Define terrorism, please.

    There are lots of different definitions - many of which use terms such as "innocent civilians" without ever defining such "innocent civilians".

    In addition, Muslims who support groups such as Al-Qaida define such things according to their own Islamic way of thinking - not according to the definitions used by the West. Therefore, according to them, they are NOT terrorists, just doing their duty as they see it - which is first and foremost to fight Zionism and the US gov which supports it and which invades their own lands.




    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Last time I checked 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by US or Israeli operatives.
    So what about 9/11? It had a cause - it was the effect produced by over fifty years of US aggression and support for Zionism.

    Furthermore, my point is that the US and the Zionists have killed far more people than those Muslims. Tens upon tens of thousands - and all we here here in the West are blearings about a few hundred killed in Madrid and a few thousand in the US.

    So - are those killed by Muslims more important than those killed by the US and the Zionists?

    Who in the West mourns the victims of US and Zionist aggression? The victims of US and Zionist terrorism? Where are the memorial services for those victims of US and Zionist terrorism where the politicians look sad and mouth words about "freedom"?



    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The people that aren't HIJACKING PLANES AND FLYING THEM INTO BUILDINGS.
    But the US gov, its armies and allies are killing and have killed tens of thousands of "innocent civilians" in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, as the Zionists have killed thousands upon thousands of Muslims - all done with the aid, the support, the weapons, of the US.

    As the Muslims see it - 9/11 was pay back time.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The US is thousands of miles away from the mid-east; so, how did 9/11 help the Palestinians achieve independence?
    Get real, please. Here's a quote from bin Laden:

    "We tell the Americans as a people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers - and American mothers in general - if they value their lives and those of their children, find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests, and not the interests of the Jews."


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    The US REACTED to the islamic attacks, not the other way around.
    This is pure Zionist propaganda...

    The truth is that the attacks were the result of American actions, especially in supporting the Zionists and their agression, their killing, their terrorism, for over fifty years.

    9/11 did not occur in isolation. That's what the Zionists want us to believe - as they want us to see Islam and especially those who actually fight Zionism, as the "enemies of the West" - by which they mean the type of "West" they desire and have gone a long way to creating.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    How has terrorism ever won the support of intelligent, sane people? Northern Ireland? No. Palestine? No. Chechnya?
    Again, define terrorism please. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    BTW the majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland probably supported the "terrorists" of the IRA just as the Chechen people support the "terrorists" who are fighting the invaders there and just as the vast majority of Palestinians support the "terrorists" of Hamas - because these people believe those groups are fighting invaders, aggressors, and are their only means of real defence.


    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Terrorism is not revolutionary, it is cowardice.
    Then hold the US gov and especially the Zionists to account. Condemn them.
    You can't have it both ways. You can't codemn one group for being "terrorist" and then avoid condenming even worse terrorism by others.

    BTW I agree that many if not all acts called "terrorist" are dishonorable and cowardly. But the greatest acts of dishonor have been done and are being done by the US gov, its allies and especially by the Zionists in Palestine. Condemn them.

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    Go read any dictionary's definition of terrorism BTW.
    I have as I have read most other definitons - there are hundreds. What is yours?

    One of my points here is to give the "other side of the story" - to see the wider perpsectice, the reasons behind recent events. It's just too easy to be swayed by all the Zionist anti-Islamic propaganda, and blindly support US aggression in the Mid-East and elsewhere.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    ... unlike those dross races(if you want to use that term for the Middle Eastern filth) and their backward mentality and utter insignificance in cultural achievements and assets....
    Well, you made my point for me quite well, I think. My point was:

    "And such comments are surely - and I'm going to be really controversial here - are simple prejudice and thus dishonorable, and thereby un-Aryan."

    Either we strive to view things in our own Aryan way - either we act and behave like Aryans - or we don't. If we don't, we're just letting ourselves consciously or otherwise be either manipulated by our enemies - ZOG of course - or we are lost to our own culture.

    Until we know what our own culture, our own values are, we can't even begin to fight for it in any meaningful way.

    Our values - honor, loyalty, duty to our folk. Our way - that of reason. We are or should be "thinking warriors" to coin a phrase someone has used.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Furthermore, my point is that the US and the Zionists have killed far more people than those Muslims. Tens upon tens of thousands - and all we here here in the West are blearings about a few hundred killed in Madrid and a few thousand in the US.
    You admit that we live in the West; yet, you still recite islamicist rhetoric. I'm against any mid-eastern, zionist or palestinian, aggression that kills "a few hundred...in Madrid" or "a few thousand in the US." If you don't like the West, go to Baghdad or Kabul; Maybe we here in the West will hear about THAT on the news.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    In addition, Muslims who support groups such as Al-Qaida define such things according to their own Islamic way of thinking - not according to the definitions used by the West. Therefore, according to them, they are NOT terrorists, just doing their duty as they see it - which is first and foremost to fight Zionism and the US gov which supports it and which invades their own lands.
    Yes, according to themselves they're not terrorists, but, as you said, "we here here in the West".

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Again, define terrorism please. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
    And, "one man's trash is another man's treasure." I'll be the first man, and you can be the latter.

    Get real, please. Here's a quote from bin Laden:

    "We tell the Americans as a people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers - and American mothers in general - if they value their lives and those of their children, find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests, and not the interests of the Jews."
    OOOOO, indignation! How surprising. Why don't you get real? If you had any comprehensive ability, you would notice he is making threats. They attacked America, we reacted. They attacked Spain, the Spanish capitulated."If they value their lives and those of their children" could also be applied to POON laden and his followers. After sending quite a few of his followers into the streets as suicide bombers, we still haven't heard of this "man's" brave, valiant end in the name of "allah".

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    You can't have it both ways. You can't codemn one group for being "terrorist" and then avoid condenming even worse terrorism by others.
    I CAN and I WILL.

    Let's try this: you define terrorism. In all your defense of cowardice and quotations of poon laden, YOU have also failed to define terrorism. Are you afraid to be wrong? Probably not, because if that were the case you wouldn't have posted this thread.

    One of my points here is to give the "other side of the story" - to see the wider perpsectice, the reasons behind recent events. It's just too easy to be swayed by all the Zionist anti-Islamic propaganda, and blindly support US aggression in the Mid-East and elsewhere.
    Why don't you pull yourself away from the al-jazeera for a couple of minutes and take some deep breaths.

    You speak of "the other side of the story", but you don't seem to realize that WE are the other side of this story. The zionists aren't our allies, neither are the palestinians. WE are our only allies.

    The only "support" I'll will ever give these "freedom fighters" is spiritual; I pray every day that each and every one those dirty, hairy camel-faced bastards has a bomb or missile dropped on their hut or whatever cave they happen to be dwelling in.


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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by magilla gorilla
    You speak of "the other side of the story", but you don't seem to realize that WE are the other side of this story. The zionists aren't our allies, neither are the palestinians. WE are our only allies.

    The only "support" I'll will ever give these "freedom fighters" is spiritual; I pray every day that each and every one those dirty, hairy camel-faced bastards has a bomb or missile dropped on their hut or whatever cave they happen to be dwelling in.
    Good one Don't be afraid to mince words!

    Muslims hate Jews because they are Western people living in their land - most Ashkenazim are much, muchmore like Germans than like Sephardim. White Nationalists seem to forget that.

    I think these two-faced oil sheikh Wahabi rabble rousers deserve to have their heads handed to them on a platter. The USA and Europe should take all their oil and share the booty.
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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