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Thread: Is Islam Our "Ally"?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    In the koran it talks of killing heathens so I think Islam won't be my ally. It also has been trying to conquer for a long time now.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    Rhadley: What are the Muslims supposed to be our allies FOR???
    Why, to fight our ZOG and the NWO so that we can do that which we wish - destroy our ZOG and have an Aryan society and an Aryan homeland.

    Without destroying these things our ideals, our dreams, can never be made real.


    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    I bring up the fact that Muslim immigrants don't belong in their European host countries such as Britain,
    Do we really need these old nations anymore? We created new nations when our own people emigrated - America, Canada, Australia, New Zeland. Should we do this again, and create a new Aryan nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    and you ask "What is British?" and call racial nationalism "prejudice."
    I ask because what is Britain (or France or whatever) now? Is it the land, the life, we want or need to live as healthy Aryans? An industrialized wasteland, almost, with a people lost to their ethnic identity, and with very little if any real Aryan culture anymore. It's certainly not governed by Aryan law.

    What is Aryan culture? See Myatt's The Complete Guide to the Aryan Way of Life.

    I'm not calling racial nationalism "prejudice" - only that dishonorable attitude which makes sweeping generalizations about other people.

    Read Myatt's recent NS stuff about honor and race, from which I've posted extracts in my replies on this thread.

    In the case of Britain - is their truly a British identity? Or is their a Welsh identity (Celtic), a Scottish identity, and an Engish one? What is really "English"? Those of Anglo-Saxon origin? Those of Cornish origin? Those of Viking origin? Do these sub-groups matter if we understand our true Aryan identity? That is, without recourse to old myths, legends, fables?


    What makes the English "English"? The land - the homeland that once was, i.e. rural like in the Cotswolds, the Yorkshire moors? Or the soul-less big cities like Birmingham, London? What is the way of life which is really Aryan? Again, see Myatt.


    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    The fight is to rid our lands of non-Whites.
    Read some of my previous replies which no one responded to - about the miracle of a group such as the FN or the BNP "winning". While the NWO exists, such a government would either not be allowed to take power or would be dealt with pretty soon. So, as I said, the NWO and our ZOG need to be destroyed.

    The fight is against ZOG and the NWO of which our own ZOG is but one part. It's both a pan-Aryan fight, or rather, war - and a global war. In this global war we need non-Aryan allies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    Just how are Muslims going to help us in that fight when they make up the most significant non-White invasian in some countries?
    I say again - it's certain types of Muslims we need; the Mujahideen and those who support them

    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    Just what kind of allies are you looking for? To do WHAT?
    As I said, those fighting in a practical way the NWO. Truth is, we are doing nothing in a practical way to fight or bring down the NWO. They are.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    All Muslims do not think alike. Some of them are crazy Osama-loving fundamentalists,
    Crazy? Have you met any?

    From my own experience they are honorable and quite rational. What is "fundamentalism" anyways? A pejorative word. Furthermore, many Muslims. especially among the young, regard OBL as a hero, an example of a true Muslim, a role-model.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    some of them are moderate, some of them are very liberal just into the theology but not sticking to the lifestyle.
    True, when those Muslims have forsaken the genuine, authentic Islam of the Jihadi groups


    Months ago it was revealed how the CIA was funding "moderate" Muslim groups and producing tame US friendly Imams.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    To paraphrase the Quran- It is better to be merciful because God is merciful. Retaliate when attacked, but just because a group is non-believers that doesn't give you the right to attack them without just cause. The killing of innocent people is not sanctioned. Peace is better, etc.

    Your warrior friends have perverted their faith. Jihad means struggle, struggle to become a better person through faith. How does killing innocent people achieve that? They are flying a flag of Islam and use it as an excuse to fight purely nationalistic battles, use it to get money and support for their various political causes. I think you've been misled by the Afghans or whoever you've been hanging out with. Those guys are a bunch of backwards rapists and molesters of young boys.

    I have chatted with Osama-fans before. A guy from Pakistan claimed to know Osama, and asked me if I had any questions for him. I think it was some kind of lame pickup line. I even was on my webcam in a burqa hehe . I agreed with some of the things they said about Jew world domination, etc. but they are just too extreme. I do not believe the kuffar all burn in the fire, and I don't want anyone enforcing religion on others. It means nothing if it is not from the heart.

    I do not sympathize with Osama bin Laden at all, I think he has only served to show Muslims around the world back further into the stone age. Killing innocent people because they are kuffar and live in America- that is not authentic Islam if you want my opinion. Although I agree with the statement from him you first posted, ie. the West does need to take back control of their nations from foreign (Jewish) influence. I do support Hezbollah though- not financially or materially (it is illegal), but spiritually.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    To paraphrase the Quran- It is better to be merciful because God is merciful. Retaliate when attacked,
    As if Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, and so on.

    "And there shall be no blame for those who take revenge after they have suffered injustice. The way (of blame) is only for those rebellious ones who oppress others and who insolently walk on the earth: for these there will be a painful torment indeed." (42: 41-42).

    "If an injury has been inflicted on you, make certain that a similar injury has been inflicted, by you, on the disbelievers: there are good days, and bad days, which We give to each side in turn for thereby We know those who believe and choose from among them witnesses (to the Truth)." [ 3:140]

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    but just because a group is non-believers that doesn't give you the right to attack them without just cause. The killing of innocent people is not sanctioned. Peace is better, etc.
    Just who defines who is "innocent"? The West? Or an "alim" using the Quran and Sunnah?


    As you may know there has been much debate in Islam about who is "innocent" and whether "suicide attacks" - more correctly I'm told, Martyrdom Operations - are lawful according to Islamic criteria. People like OBL believe they are justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    Your warrior friends have perverted their faith.
    I disagree, and believe they represent "authentic" Islam.


    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    ihad means struggle, struggle to become a better person through faith.
    Interesting that you say this - which is the classic "moderate" Muslim reply and the view that the NWO, with its agenda of taming of Islam, pushes.

    If you like I could post links to many Islamic articles which show that Jihad means first and foremost physical fighting. Sheikh Azzam comes to mind here.
    As one "convert to Islam" wrote a while back - al-Jihaad is al-Qitaal.


    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I think you've been misled by the Afghans or whoever you've been hanging out with. Those guys are a bunch of backwards rapists and molesters of young boys.
    Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but I base my view on personal experience, and I know that the Taleban were neither rapists nor "molesters of young boys" and that the majority of them were good Muslims.


    As for being "backwards" - this is a common bit of Zionist/NWO propaganda against them. According to what criteria? Material ones? "Western" ones? Or according to Islamic criteria?

    What are Islamic criteria? I'd say, following my friends of course - the Quran and the Sunnah. If they adhere to that, they're not backwards, according to Islam, but nearer to Allah.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I have chatted with Osama-fans before.
    Now you must know there is a difference between those who say such stuff, and those who act upon it. Did those you chatted with observe the Sunnah? I doubt it, otherwise they would not be chatting with someone in such a way. Adhab al-Islam comes to mind here in relation to talking to women.


    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I do not believe the kuffar all burn in the fire, and I don't want anyone enforcing religion on others.
    Neither do devout Muslims believe all of those who are not Muslims will burn in Hell, and all Muslims follow the Quranic injunction regarding freedom of belief.


    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    Killing innocent people because they are kuffar and live in America- that is not authentic Islam if you want my opinion.
    Fair enough, and many Muslims agree here. Many also do not agree, and base their view on Islamic criteria of who is "innocent".


    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    Although I agree with the statement from him you first posted, ie. the West does need to take back control of their nations from foreign (Jewish) influence. I do support Hezbollah though- not financially or materially (it is illegal), but spiritually.

    Well, it is a start

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Parzifal
    Mullah Omar was the head of the Taliban, a bigoted, ignorant and chavinistic group of idiots. They ran Afghanistan deeper into the ground than it ever had been. They behaved like mafiosos and got off on oppressing women. They did not represent anything respectable and certainly were no ambassadors of religion. Their way was the antithesis of wisdom and though I lament America's bombing of the country (purely for self-serving geo-strategic ends) I absolutely am overjoyed that the retarded taliban are GONE.

    I am perplexed how someone could admire a kingpin like Omar when he was responsible for the essential enslavement of women. He did not and could not understand the west. He and the Taliban were ignorant of everything western and saw the world obviously through the filters of their own narrow-minded religiosity. They were traitors to every humanistic idea known and not worth further discussion.

    Anyway, even though this forum has lost its mind with a million sub-forums...I still have to ask: Just what do most of the posts here have to do with the motto of Skadi: "European, Cultural, Racial and Spiritual Preservation"?

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Parzifal
    Mullah Omar was the head of the Taliban, a bigoted, ignorant and chavinistic group of idiots.
    Your opinion, based upon what?

    Mine is based upon personal experience and I know Mullah Omar was and is a valiant warrior, an honorable and humble man. In fact, an example for all warriors, regardless of their way of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parzifal
    They ran Afghanistan deeper into the ground than it ever had been. They behaved like mafiosos and got off on oppressing women.
    What a load of Zionist/NWO propaganda. I could post various stuff here to refute all such anti-Taliban lies, but since most readers won't be interested anyways, I could post a link to the relevant articles if you like.

    The "other side of the story" here is seldom heard such is the Zionist control of the Media who have tried to make such the Taliban view was not heard.

    In fact, the Taliban were slowly improving the condition of the peole in Afghanistan, despite Western sanctions and Western funding of anti-Taliban militia groups. They were building hospitals, and schools and -yes - including for women.

    The truth is that the Taliban brought peace and security to Afghanistan after years of turmoil.


    Quote Originally Posted by Parzifal
    He and the Taliban were ignorant of everything western
    No, they just rejected the ways of the West, which is quite different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parzifal
    They were traitors to every humanistic idea known
    Illogical argument. They could not be "traitors" because they did not uphold Western humanistic ideas in the first place, which ideas BTW are contrary to authentic Islam. According to the criteria of the Quran and the Sunnah, they were doing their Islamic duty.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    European Muslims were always of the last two groups, moderate and liberal.
    Not so true.Maybe the females but not the males.



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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Vojvoda
    Not so true.Maybe the females but not the males.
    I agree, there is nothing moderate or liberal about most Muslims, period.

    BTW, Ladygoeth, do you base your opinion solely on what you've read? Or do you have any actual first hand experiences with Muslims which you can base your opinions on?

    Pesronally I have never met a moderate Muslim, not even a female one.

    And I do not like to generalize.

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    Post Why "muslicism" is NOT our ally

    Hello rhadley.

    What does one who supports radical islam as an ally of NS/WN/etc. say to the families of white victims of islamic terrorism?

    Also, I don't see any benefits from throwing in my lot with these towel-headed pillow-biters; in case you haven't noticed, rhadley, there is currently an international war on terrorism, which islam WILL lose.

    We strive to preserve EUROPEAN culture, not goat-raping mid-eastern sub-humanity. If islam is an ally, then we should just invite the moors back into Spain,and the Turks back into the Ukraine and bend-over and ask for more.

    What about the white slave trade perpetrated by the moors and turks? Haven't you noticed that most of Europe's cultural/historical hero/figures were usually fighting-off the muslim invaders? Ever heard of Voivode Vlad III (Dracula) of Wallachia, Skanderbeg of Albania, or Ferdinand V and Isabella I of Spain? Reading your argument, I assume you haven't.

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