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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Islamists are only strategic allies, when they are far away in their home countries, or terrorising the Chosen. When over here in the West, they are the enemy, and behave like it too. In England the Mudslims and Joos frequently gang up against the native whites....

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    Actually, I haven't met any, but I know the type. But since you have, let me ask you some questions:

    1. Do they even WANT to be an ally?
    From my own personal experience, yes. For instance, few years ago, the Iranian government no less was - a little covertly - trying to make this happen. But apart from a few individuals and some revisionists - not much happened due to the kind of response evident here.

    One such person invovled was Ahmed Huber, a European convert to Islam.

    The same applies to certain other groups which shall remain nameless.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    It seems to me that they definitely do not. They are causing trouble in Russia,
    As I said in a previous reply here, the Russians have invaded and occupied a Muslim land, and have committed many atrocities, and the Chechen Muslims are fighting back.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    the Balkans,
    And the cause of the conflict there was - what? Anyways, as I said, the conflict in that region is not about Islam - it's about nationalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    France, Italy, Britain, etc.
    Conflict in what way? And in what way were MUSLIMS invovled? Again, a distinction must be made between Muslims and those who have, or whose parents or whatever have, migrated from Muslim lands and who may or may not be Muslims.

    If we consider the rioting in the UK a few years ago - that had nothing to do with ISLAM.


    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    2. I think you are coming from an NS perspective.
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    So then let me ask you, are these "Mujahideen" NS in any way, shape or form?
    As the original post indicated and as I've said a few times in replies - they share some of the same values - to wit, honor; the warrior way of life.

    Wer'e not talking ideology here; we're talking an alliance of warriors who have different ways of life who share some values but who are fighting a common enemy. This is the crux of an argument for a practical alliance.

    It's an alliance based upon mutual honor and respect for their differing ways of life - like the Muslims who joined the SS during WWII.


    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    Show me one POSITIVE quote or action from them that is pro-Europe or pro-NS.
    1) See the quote from OBL in the original post
    2) See what I said about the Iranian government
    3) Most of what has been said, by them has been said in private - for obvious reasons.
    4) Read what people like Ahmed Huber and Dave Myatt have said; they've been in contact with those who want an alliance, so I'm told.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Islamists are only strategic allies, when they are far away in their home countries
    Ek is nie top met jou nie,the enemy of your adversary have been proven too often in history to be your worst nightmare and do we really need to feel involved, as one poor wanker who never came to score and find an outlet in watching others doing "it"?
    And even if we deal hard and finally with the jewish influence in our policies, then we are still not out of the mess created and nurtitured by the adepts of the French Revolution and May '68 with their new left programs...
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Monday, February 16th, 2004 at 01:05 AM.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    Don't Muslims believe that in heaven they'll (if they die as martyrs) be serviced by something like 50 virgins with whom they can have their way and these ravished beauties will magically become virgins again for the next day's frolick? That alone is a deal breaker for monogamous Europeans.
    It's true. Apparently, they get a great number of "houris" (maybe even more than 50) who -not only on the next day- but right after intercourse magically (oh sorry, by the will of Allah ) turn virginal. Ah, and not only that but they get the same amount of "gilmans" who are young boys who don't have a beard yet. How about that for perverseness? I mean, doesn't this sound like the heaven of some very troubled and impotent guys who see nothing but camels around. Yuck.

    And is doing good deeds because you'll end up getting laid with a hundred+ teenagers a day moral and respectful? Nah, I didn't think so either.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    As the original post indicated and as I've said a few times in replies - they share some of the same values - to wit, honor; the warrior way of life.

    Wer'e not talking ideology here; we're talking an alliance of warriors who have different ways of life who share some values but who are fighting a common enemy. This is the crux of an argument for a practical alliance.

    It's an alliance based upon mutual honor and respect for their differing ways of life - like the Muslims who joined the SS during WWII.
    You mentioned the Muslims in the SS in World War II. But, the “Muslims” who were on the Axis side were “Muslim” in name only. First, they were almost all Agnostic; they were nationalistic and secularist in their worldview. Second, they were committed to and working towards a pan-European cause (note: I am not defending all Axis policies, especially in the Balkans and on the Eastern Front, but that is a different issue). These “Muslims” had the honour and warrior-spirit you referred to: they were nationalistic, elitist, racially-fit, and were very well vetted by the German authorities from a racial and ideological perspective.

    BUT the fundamentalists of today you are proposing an alliance with are the exact opposite. First, they are very anti-nationalistic and anti-racialist due to their extreme literalist interpretation of Islam (which is heavily derived from Hebraic texts). Further they tend to come from the farthest corners of the earth and lowest social classes somehow ending up all mixed in together due to their anti-nationalist, anti-elitist and anti-racialist world-view. They represent a hodge-podge of bloodlines from South Asia, Africa, Arabia, Caribbean, Central Asia, etc. all mixed in together united by an extreme anti-nationalistic, anti-racialist and anti-European worldview.

    They are very arrogant and disrespectful, always wanting more immigration, more asylum, more mosques, more special privileges like veiling, etc. Very stubborn and troublesome; representing the lowest racial and social classes of their respective countries. Nothing like the caliber of people that NS Germany allied with. To make the comparison between the SS Muslims and the low-class Muslim fundamentalist race-chaos of today is extremely offensive to the highest caliber of individuals who served very honorable and loyally in the Axis cause.

    When NS Germany made alliances with certain parties and individuals you can be sure that those parties and individuals were highly scrutinized so that only the fittest and best were worthy of such an alliance (Fawzi Al-Qawuqji, for example). Certainly NS Germany would never have allied with the “Mujahedin” or Islamic fundamentalists of today. It is one thing to speak of an alliance with individuals who are WORTHY of such an alliance from a racial, moral and ideological perspective, but it is another thing altogether to ally with a movement, which is just the opposite. The Islamists of today both inside Europe and without are an extremely serious threat and are totally unworthy of an alliance. They are also untrustworthy. The US backed Bin Laden in his fight against the Soviet Union and look at how he repayed the US. The Israelis created Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO, and look at how Hamas repays the Israelis. Sadat released all the Muslim fundamentalists that Nasser had imprisoned and they ended up assassinating Sadat. Not a very good track record when it comes to loyalty.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryPotato
    The anti-muslim propaganda goes along with the holocau$t, antisemitic views, and low negroid IQ scores. I try to base all of my views from what I've seen firsthand. I lack the education that many here have. My experiences with Arabs has always been a negative one. I deal with them on an almost daily basis due to my job. They are as shady in business as any jew and much more loud mouthed and ignorant. I don't think we should rely on such a people in trying to help take back our nations. The goal is proud, white nations, not "special needs" white nations with large, dark skinned muslim minority populations.
    I totally agree. I have business experience with Arabs as well, and like you said, they are no better than Jews, and most likely worse.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    You mentioned the Muslims in the SS in World War II. But, the “Muslims” who were on the Axis side were “Muslim” in name only. First, they were almost all Agnostic; they were nationalistic and secularist in their worldview. Second, they were committed to and working towards a pan-European cause (note: I am not defending all Axis policies, especially in the Balkans and on the Eastern Front, but that is a different issue). These “Muslims” had the honour and warrior-spirit you referred to: they were nationalistic, elitist, racially-fit, and were very well vetted by the German authorities from a racial and ideological perspective.
    They were not Muslim in name only.


    " German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble idea. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves.

    That was demonstrated when the Waffen SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS. The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs, and their religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an imam, each company had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their highest expression. This was our racialism. I was present when each of my Islamic comrades received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a pendant with a small Koran. Hitler was honoring them with this small symbolic gift. He was honoring them with what was the most important aspect of their lives and their history. National Socialist racialism was loyal to the German race and totally respected all other races. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    BUT the fundamentalists of today you are proposing an alliance with are the exact opposite. First, they are very anti-nationalistic and anti-racialist due to their extreme literalist interpretation of Islam (which is heavily derived from Hebraic texts). Further they tend to come from the farthest corners of the earth and lowest social classes somehow ending up all mixed in together due to their anti-nationalist, anti-elitist and anti-racialist world-view. They represent a hodge-podge of bloodlines from South Asia, Africa, Arabia, Caribbean, Central Asia, etc. all mixed in together united by an extreme anti-nationalistic, anti-racialist and anti-European worldview.
    Again - and please note - we're talking a practical alliance here, not a merging based on a shared ideology. An alliance based on mutual respect and honor, with differences put aside because the war, the battle, against the enemy is more important and because it is and would be possible for the two views to co-exist.

    Why? Because the Jihadists are fighting for specific things such as a new Islamic khilafah - an Islamic society - in Muslims lands such as Afghanistan, Saudi, Palestine, Iraq. NOT in the West. Repeat - not in the West.

    Now I know some Muslims talk about a Khilafah in the West, but the goal of the Mujahideen is simple - expel those who have occupied Muslim land, and undermine, destroy Israel and if possible its backer the US gov. That's all.

    Those "on the ground" have the priority of fighting Zionism and the US occupiers and of destabilizing the US gov. They also - and take note! - see the need for a non-Muslim nationalist, anti-Zionist, force or movement to regain power in places like the US which would be well disposed toward the new Islamic Khilafah. That is, they're interested in an alliance with nationalists! That's the reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    They are very arrogant and disrespectful, always wanting more immigration, more asylum, more mosques, more special privileges like veiling, etc. Very stubborn and troublesome; representing the lowest racial and social classes of their respective countries.
    This it seems to me is just prejudice, and also, and again, confuses "immigrants" with Muslims and also does not distinguish between the different types of Muslims, i.e. moderate Westernized "Muslims" and devout Muslims who do try and live according to the Quran and Sunnah.

    From my own experience, and those I have talked to, the Jihadi Muslims are respectful, noble and honorable.

    Also Hijab and the veil are not "special privileges" - they are part of Islam, and one either respects another culture and its traditions, or one does not. To so respect it, is for me to do the honorable thing.

    Now, have you ever met and talked with any Mujahideen? Any devout Muslims? And before you answer, I'd ask you to recall what I have said many times here about not confusing "immigrants" and Muslims.


    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    When NS Germany made alliances with certain parties and individuals you can be sure that those parties and individuals were highly scrutinized so that only the fittest and best were worthy of such an alliance (Fawzi Al-Qawuqji, for example). Certainly NS Germany would never have allied with the “Mujahideen” or Islamic fundamentalists of today.
    First, you should have personal experience of the people you are talking about. Myatt, Huber and some others do. Do you have? Have you been among them, in their lands?


    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    The Islamists of today both inside Europe and without are an extremely serious threat and are totally unworthy of an alliance.
    Your opinion. it seems that those who espouse this opinion base it upon lack of personal knowledge of the Mujahideen and upon a basic mis-understanding about authentic Islam, often confusing the bad behavior of some "immigrants" as bad behavior by Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    They are also untrustworthy. The US backed Bin Laden in his fight against the Soviet Union and look at how he repayed the US.
    Incorrect. The facts - the US gave some weapons to some of the Mujahideen fighting the Soviets, without OBL making any commitment on his side. That is, he never ever made any concessions to the US or made any deals with the US. And neither did Mullah Omar. Anyone who says or writes anything else is either lying or repeating Zionist propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeno
    The Israelis created Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO,
    This is absolute nonsense. Have you ever spoken to anyone from Hamas? Have you ever spoken to any ordinary Palestinians?

    Hamas is the only effective Islamic resistance movement in Palestine. It is completely Islamic, and always has been.

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    Question Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Incorrect. The facts - the US gave some weapons to some of the Mujahideen fighting the Soviets, without OBL making any commitment on his side. That is, he never ever made any concessions to the US or made any deals with the US. And neither did Mullah Omar. Anyone who says or writes anything else is either lying or repeating Zionist propaganda.
    Mullah Omar was the head of the Taliban, a bigoted, ignorant and chavinistic group of idiots. They ran Afghanistan deeper into the ground than it ever had been. They behaved like mafiosos and got off on oppressing women. They did not represent anything respectable and certainly were no ambassadors of religion. Their way was the antithesis of wisdom and though I lament America's bombing of the country (purely for self-serving geo-strategic ends) I absolutely am overjoyed that the retarded taliban are GONE.

    I am perplexed how someone could admire a kingpin like Omar when he was responsible for the essential enslavement of women. He did not and could not understand the west. He and the Taliban were ignorant of everything western and saw the world obviously through the filters of their own narrow-minded religiosity. They were traitors to every humanistic idea known and not worth further discussion.

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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Rhadley: What are the Muslims supposed to be our allies FOR???

    I bring up the fact that Muslim immigrants don't belong in their European host countries such as Britain, and you ask "What is British?" and call racial nationalism "prejudice."

    The fight is to rid our lands of non-Whites. Just how are Muslims going to help us in that fight when they make up the most significant non-White invasian in some countries?

    Just what kind of allies are you looking for? To do WHAT?
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    Post Re: Why Islam is Our Ally

    Quote Originally Posted by Louky
    I don't want Muslims in Europe whether they're White or not. Whether or not a Muslim is White, I expect they will still side with other Muslims on immigration and will have to have their very different value system accomodated in culturally Western lands as a Human Rights issue. No chaos of peoples for me, thanks.

    I do not see Muslims as an ally.
    All Muslims do not think alike. Some of them are crazy Osama-loving fundamentalists, some of them are moderate, some of them are very liberal just into the theology but not sticking to the lifestyle. All levels of faith exist, same as with Christians. European Muslims were always of the last two groups, moderate and liberal.

    Islam is neither racist or antiracist, there really is not much said about race in the Quran at all. Race in the past was not really important since we had homogenous societies. Of the Catholic members here: Do you see the Nigerian Cardinal who is supposedly going to be the next Pope as a "brother in the faith?" Only about 23% of Arab-Americans are Muslim. Most of them are Catholic.

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