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Thread: Did the National Socialists Misuse the Symbols of Our Germanic Ancestors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    These symbols were created by our Germanic ancestors and they were sacred, they were not intended to be used by racist organizations who had precise orders to eliminate "the eternal Jew".
    As if you could know, just because you like to read fluffy flower stories about Germanics, that are not really far away from pure guess work.
    You can't really know for what such symbols where not allowed to be used, and Germanics are Germanics, if Germanics use their Germanic symbols for Germanic interests then it can't be abuse.
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    Yes they did in my opinion the nationalsocialists weren't pagans or heathens, some of them followed some weird esoteric religion but that was it.

    It would be abuse too if for example I started tattooing runes on my body without being a heathen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    As if you could know, just because you like to read fluffy flower stories about Germanics, that are not really far away from pure guess work.
    You can't really know for what such symbols where not allowed to be used, and Germanics are Germanics, if Germanics use their Germanic symbols for Germanic interests then it can't be abuse.
    Historians are not doing guess work, they are doing serious research. National socialism is not a Germanic ideology, so the symbols were used for a foreign, alien ideology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    It would be abuse too if for example I started tattooing runes on my body without being a heathen.
    Why would it be abuse?

    They are just symbols, and you could use them without or with any intention that you might like.

    If I wear a fluoresecent green rubber glove on my head, and I do something very naughty like tie someone's shoes laces together, does it mean that I have abused fluorescent green rubber gloves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Historians are not doing guess work, they are doing serious research. National socialism is not a Germanic ideology, so the symbols were used for a foreign, alien ideology.
    Even mainstream historians are in agreement that the roots of Nationalsozialismus were peculiarly Germanic, grounded, for example, in the Prussian tradition of military authoritarianism and expansion; in the German romantic tradition of hostility to rationalism, liberalism, and democracy; in various racist doctrines according to which the Nordic peoples, as so-called pure Aryans, were not only physically superior to other races, but were the carriers of a superior morality and culture; and in certain philosophical traditions that idealised the state or exalted the superior individual and exempted such a person from conventional restraints - sounds like the Reich, no? All, themselves, rooted in ancient Germanic lore and pre-christian tradition. Did Odinn (prior to enough time and embelishment of his life and deeds to have passed for him to become a god), a glorified chieftain, above all others, god of War and of Wisdom, not have claim to the Runa? "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror" (Jean Rostand). Even for having failed, Hitler may one day be a god. At any rate, he was, by any objective and definitive measure, a great conquerer who changed the course of human history. Did he not have an explicit and exclusive claim to the use of the Runa as he saw fit?

    I think you are seriously confusing the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparteis devised rubric of symbology rooted in the already created symbols, as Germanically alien. This does not follow logically; indeed, it is unreasonable. - Moreover, most of the Ancient Germanic Symbols that were used already had a known general meaning and applicability. When and where did the NADSP abuse the symbols? I.e. which one's were used incorrectly? What exactly is Germanically "alien" about National Socialism?

    The only thing that enters the orbit of Germanically 'alien' is the influence of the Marquis de Morés on the substrate of NS. Anf that is only because of his ancestry.

    I'm not trying to pick on you, I am just really curious where you are getting your information.
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    The whole argument is silly because the swastika originated in central Asia, and modern research indicates the norse runes probably at least roughly based on Mediterranean alphabets.

    NS had some latin influences, but no more than other contemporary German ideologies with which it competed, and Hitler moved the party and country more towards Germanic roots as time went on and they consolidated power, for example the purge of the SA and the Strasserites.
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    The swastika is an abbreviated Black Sun symbol. It is a rune. It has so many levels of meaning that it would take a whole forum and many, many other posters to go through them all. The Nazis brought this to light. They also predicted the energy implications of the Black Sun as well as were the first to postulate a Black Sun, black hole, at the center of each galaxy. Since Nazis were the very people to whom we are deeply indebted for bringing this knowledge to our attention, not modern Physics. Modern Physics only came to this knowledge recently. Why would the Nazis be denied the use of the very symbol and underlying concepts which they, single handedly, gave us on a silver platter? ----and received no credit, I might add.

    On another point, in the long history of Runic thought, Guido von List is a person who is still today taken as a fundamental contributor on the subject. Von List's influence extended right into the Thule Society whose members were instrumental in founding what became the Nazi Party. Nobody was into Germanic preservation or the runes more than the Thule Society.

    Karl Maria Willigut, SS Colonel, was a part of Himmler's Ancestral Organization and was an acknowledged expert on runes at the time. But I guess he had no right to study them.

    I can respect people who disagree with me. I know there are many and everyone but one has a good argument and good reasoning. What Dagna objects to is not the use of the Runes, but Nazi ideology. She is completely intolerant of Nazis. This is her only motivation in creating this thread and she should be called on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Historians are not doing guess work, they are doing serious research. National socialism is not a Germanic ideology, so the symbols were used for a foreign, alien ideology.
    It is evident that you like to live in the past, and thus you have to tell you that historical sciences somehow can bring forth "facts", however they are the weakest of all empirical sciences, and are certainly far behind racial sciences.

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    You totally disregard Germanics greatest abillity, and that is to create, and what Germanics create is Germanic, NS is Germanic from the heart.
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    I bet all those who voted that the symbols were abused by the National Socialists are basing that opinion off a very socialised worldview.

    I hardly think Germanic symbols and those who used and created them would be the most "humanitarian" people. Build me a time machine and I could guarantee you any Germanic tribe would not see anything the Nazis are accused of as being "bad".

    Germanics have always been fierce. It is merely indoctrination that would lead you to believe otherwise.

    One would not even need a detailed view of Germanic history to understand this.
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