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    Did the National Socialists Misuse the Symbols of Our Germanic Ancestors?

    Many symbols of our Germanic ancestors like runes or the fylfot, which were used by the National Socialists are considered hate symbols nowadays.

    Do you believe the National Socialists misused or abused these symbols?


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    Yes they did, or well there actions and "crimes" did all the logo's didnt have to much meaning in Nazi Germany more just to make a link to the old Germanics.

    I guess what people forget is that Hitler and some other influental people in that time were realy interested in Germanic culture and history, and tried to get this pride on to the people again only they did it in a wrong way instead of taking care people had pride for it people got scared for it and thats what you see now.
    And the skinnheads like to let people believe still today that some of the Runes and stuff are made for racism, cant blame them because they have an IQ of a grilled cow.
    If christ is the answer then what is the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Many symbols of our Germanic ancestors like runes or the fylfot, which were used by the National Socialists are considered hate symbols nowadays.

    Do you believe the National Socialists abused these symbols?
    Those symbols are their symbols too. They have every bit as much right to use them for whatever reasons they see fit as you do.

    Let me ask you: Does your basic underlying question betray a self-centered, self-righteous, belief system or not? Who are you to even question the motives of other Germanics? You must feel that your political beliefs occupy some sort of higher moral ground or you wouldn't even consider such a question. Or do you believe that you have a corner on how, where and why to use Germanic symbols? Why is it you cannot drop this "anti" agenda of yours?

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    They used them as symbols to brand themselves and advertise their patriotism and desire to connect with Germany's past greatness, same as any other government, party or movement uses symbols.

    I don't think they ever intended to become labeled as the "super evil movement from outer space," their actions and ideology fit well within the context of other regimes at the time and in what was then recent history. They didn't have a crystal ball "any symbol we use will be labeled as evil by the ruling regimes decades from now, so we better not use any cool symbols"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Those symbols are their symbols too. They have every bit as much right to use them for whatever reasons they see fit as you do.

    Let me ask you: Does your basic underlying question betray a self-centered, self-righteous, belief system or not? Who are you to even question the motives of other Germanics? You must feel that your political beliefs occupy some sort of higher moral ground or you wouldn't even consider such a question. Or do you believe that you have a corner on how, where and why to use Germanic symbols? Why is it you cannot drop this "anti" agenda of yours?
    Because this is a free speech forum and I am allowed to debate certain matters. I do not believe National Socialism is a Germanic ideology. These symbols were created by our Germanic ancestors and they were sacred, they were not intended to be used by racist organizations who had precise orders to eliminate "the eternal Jew". I am not the only one who voted that these symbols were abused, by the way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Do you believe the National Socialists abused these symbols?
    No. As far as I can tell, the NSDAP leadership employed the symbols out of a genuine appreciation, not for cynical manipulation. The use of ancient Indo-Germanic symbols was part of an ill-fated attempt to reconnect with our primordial, pre-Christian past. There can be little doubt there was considerable ignorance in the Third Reich concerning the historical meaning and context of the symbols, but that is not enough to constitute (intentional) abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf View Post
    No. As far as I can tell, the NSDAP leadership employed the symbols out of a genuine appreciation, not for cynical manipulation. The use of ancient Indo-Germanic symbols was part of an ill-fated attempt to reconnect with our primordial, pre-Christian past. There can be little doubt there was considerable ignorance in the Third Reich concerning the historical meaning and context of the symbols, but that is not enough to constitute (intentional) abuse.
    Is intentional abuse the only kind of abuse?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Is intentional abuse the only kind of abuse?
    I suppose the definition could be widened to improper use of the symbols as such, regardless of conscious intent, which did indeed occur during the Third Reich and still goes on in all kinds of neo-pagan circles.

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    No, they are not copyrighted, so anyone can use them, and it would be parsimonious and frankly ridiculous to suggest that someone can 'abuse' a symbol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    No, they are not copyrighted, so anyone can use them
    Positive law does not contain all relevant norms.

    and it would be parsimonious and frankly ridiculous to suggest that someone can 'abuse' a symbol.
    Why, exactly?

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