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    The Dagna political ideology on Jews, Judaism and Zionism, quotes:

    1.
    National Socialism has more in common with Judaism than with Germanic, or European cultural origins.

    2.
    I don't believe this proves that National Socialism is not inspired from Judaism.

    3.
    Homicide of other groups is not acceptable. The National Socialists conducted a Holocaust to remove the Jews, Gypsies and other minorities and thanks to them today freedom of speech, nationalism, preservation and anything related is not acceptable anymore and the Jews will be forever the number one victim of the world, while the other victims of WW2 are treated with less importance. Due to the Holocaust, Germany has a responsibility towards the Jews and Israel which still has not ended.
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    Quote 1. is prima facia insulting to National Socialists. NS was invented in Germany, by Germans, not Jews. Question: Does the Dagna political ideology have one, single scrap of evidence that Jews had any hand in the creation of NS? If good evidence is not forthcoming, this statement should be retracted and, its provocative intent be recognized for what it is and a complaint lodged with the proper authorities.

    Quote 2. No, the proponent of the radical claim that a non-European monotheistic religion, Judaism, inspired NS has the responsibility of proving the statement. It is not the responsibility of one denying a radial claim to offer negative evidence.

    Quote 3. Again, any claim of murder must offer evidence or that claim should be considered liable. The Dagna political ideology has offered no proof of any crime, let alone murder. The Dagna political ideology can't name 500 Jews killed by the Nazis let alone substantiate a genocide. Liable is a great word in this case because words carry consequences as Raven has made us all aware. Normally, the penalty for Liable is a money judgment. If the Dagna political ideologists cannot substantiate their claim in this matter then their ought to be consequences also. This is another prima facia insult purposefully directed at National Socialists.


    It seems we have heard this political ideology before. In fact, exactly what separates it from Cosmopolitan-Liberal-Jewish ideology of today? We hear exactly these talking points every time they flush the toilet at the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Yet, it is this ideology which is telling us that National Socialists have no right to use the runes?

    Jews are the only non-Germanics who denegrate the runes. Jews fear the runes and would very much like to discourage their use. The Runes have power of their own which is independent of any religious beliefs. They have power in their form, appearance and sound. This runic power has the ability to protect one practicing the runes from the black magic of the Kaballa. Jews use cabalistic power to influence other but with the runes as a counter-power, cabalistic influence is negated. There is nothing funnier that the face of a Jew who assumes he can just work his little magic on a person only to have that person stare right through him. This power and clarity of mind is one gift of the runes.

    But it seems the Dagna political ideology seeks to disinfranchise National Socialists from using this birthright of ours. Why?

    The Dagna political ideology has not been elucidated to us. But in its stated words and obvious intentions, what is its difference to what runs out of the Simion Wiesenthal Center? And exactly what moral authority do the proponents of the Dagna political ideology have to question a single hair on the head of NS? This question has been ignored and then avoided in the past with cries of personal attack. It is time the Dagna political ideology provides answers or this post and this ideology ought to be recognized for what it appears to be, trolling. Trolled posts should be deleted.

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    I believe I have already explained the connections between National Socialism and Judaism and the ungermanic nature of National Socialism before:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=1893
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=3280

    These are some of the sources that have been used about the original Germanic system and values:

    # De mooiste mythen en sagen uit de middeleeuwen, publisher: Verba ISBN:90-5513-374-4
    # De mooiste Nederlandse sagen en legenden, publisher: Verba ISBN:90-5513-369-8
    # Schatten uit het veen (The Mysterious Bog people) ISBN:90-400-9662-7
    # Encyclopedie van de Mythologie (the Encyclopedia of Mythology), Arthur Cotterell ISBN:90-6248-846-3
    # Sesam Encyclopedie (12 parts), publisher: Bosh & Keuning NV Baarn
    # de Grote Bosatlas 97/98 51th edition, publisher: Wolters Noordhoff ISBN:90-01-12100-4
    # Historische Atlas van de Keltische beschaving (the Historical Atlas of the Celtic World), John Haywood ISBN:90-01-12100-4
    # 7000 jaar Wereldgeschiedenis (12 parts), publisher: Lekturama Rotterdam
    # Runes Around the North Sea and On the Continent AD 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenga ISBN:90-6781-014-2
    # Geschiedenis van de Lage Landen (4 parts), Jaap ter Haar ISBN(entire series):90-228-3860-9
    # Geschiedenis van de Middeleeuwen, H.P.H. Jansen ISBN:90-274-5377-2
    # Ooggetuigen van de Vaderlandse Geschiedenis, Geert Mak ISBN:90-5713-627-9
    # Ooggetuigen van de Wereldgeschiedenis, Geert Mak/René van Stipriaan ISBN:90-446-0182-2
    # Het Dagelijks Leven in het Oude Rome (La vie quotidienne à Rome à l'Apogée de l'Empire), Jérôme Carcopino ISBN:90-274-6922-9
    # Poorten van de Tijd, Theo Holleman ISBN:90-6825-260-7
    # De Romeinen in Nederland, Dr. W.A. van Es ISBN:90-228-3884-6/520
    # Verleden Land, J.H.F. Bloemers/L.P. Louwe Kooijmans/H. Sarfatij ISBN:90-290-9992-5
    # De Supergoden (The Supergods), Maurice M. Cotterell ISBN:90-269-6155-3
    # Het Sirius-mysterie (The Sirius-mystery), Robert Temple ISBN:90-246-0487-7
    # Germanic Heathenry: A Practical Guide, James Hjuka Coulter (forthcoming)
    # De Grote Mythologische Figuren (Les Grandes Figures des Mythologies), Fernand Comte ISBN:90-274-3347-X
    # Geschiedenis van de Nederlanden, J.C.H. Blom/E. Lamberts/redactie ISBN:90-5574-291-0
    # Urnen delven; het opgravingsbedrijf artistiek bekeken, Drs Marianne Addink-Samplonius e.a. ISBN:90-6707-004-1
    # Atlas van de Wereldgeschiedenis (World Atlas of the Past), John Haywood ISBN:3-8290-3360-5
    # Snorra Edda (Prose Edda)
    # Codex Regius (Poetic Edda), publisher: Ambo Olympus, translated by Marcel Otten ISBN:90-263-1625-9
    Containing the following books:
    (depends on the version and translation you have)
    Völuspá
    Hávamál
    Vafþrúðnismál
    Grímnismál
    För Skírnis
    Hárbarðslióð
    Hymiskviða
    Lokasenna
    Þrymskviða
    Baldrs draumar
    Völundarkviða
    Rígsþula
    Alvíssmál
    Grottasöngr
    Helgakviða Hundingsbana in fyrri
    Helgakviða Hjörvarðssonar
    Helgakviða Hundingsbana önnor
    Frá dauða Sinfjötla
    Grípisspá
    Reginsmál
    Fáfnismál
    Sigrdrífumál
    Völsunga saga
    Brot af Sigurðarkviðu
    Guðrúnarkviða in fyrsta
    Sigurðarkviða in skamma
    Helreið Brynhildar
    Dráp Niflunga
    Guðrúnarkviða önnor
    Guðrúnarkviða in þriðja
    Oddrúnargrátr
    Atlakviða in Groenlenzka
    Atlamál in Groenlenzku
    Guðrúnarhvöt
    Hamðismál
    Hlöðskviða
    # Tacitus' "Germania" in English and Latin, translation: Gordon, Thomas Date: c69
    # Ibn Fahdlans' "Risala" in English, translation: unknown
    # Dictionary of Proto-Germanic Roots, author: Zeke Fordsmender
    # Dictionary of old Norse, author: Peter Pettersson
    # Dictionary of old English, author: unknown
    # Latin word list, author: Lynn H. Nelson, University of Kansas, 18 June 1997
    # Dictionary of Gothic, author: unknown
    # Busbecq's Crimean Gothic wordlist
    # Dictionary of Tocharian, author: unknown
    # Dictionary of Proto-Indo European, author: Christopher Gwinn
    # Medieval Dutch word list, author: Hanz Meulenbroeks
    # Old Norse - Old Saxon comparison text, author: unknown
    # The Merseburg Incantations (Merseburger Zaubersprüche)
    # The Hildebrandslied, translation: D.L. Ashliman
    # Jordanes' "Getica" in English, translation: Charles C. Mierow


    Claims of murder, I believe these have already been admitted by the National Socialist officials themselves:

    The principal task of the Einsatzgruppen of the S.D. was the annihilation of the Jews, Gypsies and Political Commissars. - SS General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc...04-28-06.shtml

    Not all SS men murdered but many of them did. The SS was a criminal organization and this has been admitted by their heads. The law has established the damages and punished the criminals. I believe you should go to Nuremberg and complain there if you have a problem with that.
    ........................................ ........................................ ....

    I am not going to respond to immature personal attacks. I am willing to discuss ideology and history but I will not grant you the pleasure of responding to your mockery. If you continue to turn this into a mockery fest, I believe I will be forced to ignore your posts.


    Die Sonne scheint noch.

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    Proponents of the Dagna political ideology have framed this thread, first post:

    "Many symbols of our Germanic ancestors like runes or the fylfot, which were used by the National Socialists are considered hate symbols nowadays.

    Do you believe the National Socialists abused these symbols?"

    _______________

    After this post an attempt was made to couch it as just an agenda-less question and not an attack on National Socialism. But, in another prior post titled "Would the Althing Be Considered a Hate Site by the Mainstream" six days ago, a post appeared revealing a true agenda, on point, on this very subject, quote:

    "Well I believe you have to thank the national socialists for that. The national socialists abused the symbols of our Germanic ancestors and it is their fault we who are not national socialists and use them are called haters. The national socialists hi-jacked our symbols to advertise hatred."

    So much for the agendaless, mind-provoking, poll attempt. This thread had an agenda from its inception. Its wording was loaded and the intent of promoting the Dagna political ideology is now unmasked as self-apparent.

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    I think its a mix of things the Nazi's never intended to make the runes/symbols hate symbols it was to symbolize the connection to our ancestors i guess.
    But yeah some of the things the nazi's did made the symbols a logo to fear when you saw it you could better run away in that time, the reason why its still seen today as hate symbols is probably because the propaganda on schools in history lessons as well as on tv.
    And the fact that brainless skinnheads do use it as hate symbols.

    So guess its not only the nationalsocialists that made it hate symbols, fear of the people did and the people that helped to make the fear a bit bigger Allies as well as Axis and the Soviets had the same share in how our symbols are seen today.
    If christ is the answer then what is the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I believe I have already explained the conenctions between National Socialism and Judaism and the ungermanic nature of National Socialism before:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=1893
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=3280

    These are some of the sources that have been used about the original Germanic system and values:

    # De mooiste mythen en sagen uit de middeleeuwen, publisher: Verba ISBN:90-5513-374-4
    # De mooiste Nederlandse sagen en legenden, publisher: Verba ISBN:90-5513-369-8
    # Schatten uit het veen (The Mysterious Bog people) ISBN:90-400-9662-7
    # Encyclopedie van de Mythologie (the Encyclopedia of Mythology), Arthur Cotterell ISBN:90-6248-846-3
    # Sesam Encyclopedie (12 parts), publisher: Bosh & Keuning NV Baarn
    # de Grote Bosatlas 97/98 51th edition, publisher: Wolters Noordhoff ISBN:90-01-12100-4
    # Historische Atlas van de Keltische beschaving (the Historical Atlas of the Celtic World), John Haywood ISBN:90-01-12100-4
    # 7000 jaar Wereldgeschiedenis (12 parts), publisher: Lekturama Rotterdam
    # Runes Around the North Sea and On the Continent AD 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenga ISBN:90-6781-014-2
    # Geschiedenis van de Lage Landen (4 parts), Jaap ter Haar ISBN(entire series):90-228-3860-9
    # Geschiedenis van de Middeleeuwen, H.P.H. Jansen ISBN:90-274-5377-2
    # Ooggetuigen van de Vaderlandse Geschiedenis, Geert Mak ISBN:90-5713-627-9
    # Ooggetuigen van de Wereldgeschiedenis, Geert Mak/René van Stipriaan ISBN:90-446-0182-2
    # Het Dagelijks Leven in het Oude Rome (La vie quotidienne ŕ Rome ŕ l'Apogée de l'Empire), Jérôme Carcopino ISBN:90-274-6922-9
    # Poorten van de Tijd, Theo Holleman ISBN:90-6825-260-7
    # De Romeinen in Nederland, Dr. W.A. van Es ISBN:90-228-3884-6/520
    # Verleden Land, J.H.F. Bloemers/L.P. Louwe Kooijmans/H. Sarfatij ISBN:90-290-9992-5
    # De Supergoden (The Supergods), Maurice M. Cotterell ISBN:90-269-6155-3
    # Het Sirius-mysterie (The Sirius-mystery), Robert Temple ISBN:90-246-0487-7
    # Germanic Heathenry: A Practical Guide, James Hjuka Coulter (forthcoming)
    # De Grote Mythologische Figuren (Les Grandes Figures des Mythologies), Fernand Comte ISBN:90-274-3347-X
    # Geschiedenis van de Nederlanden, J.C.H. Blom/E. Lamberts/redactie ISBN:90-5574-291-0
    # Urnen delven; het opgravingsbedrijf artistiek bekeken, Drs Marianne Addink-Samplonius e.a. ISBN:90-6707-004-1
    # Atlas van de Wereldgeschiedenis (World Atlas of the Past), John Haywood ISBN:3-8290-3360-5
    # Snorra Edda (Prose Edda)
    # Codex Regius (Poetic Edda), publisher: Ambo Olympus, translated by Marcel Otten ISBN:90-263-1625-9
    Containing the following books:
    (depends on the version and translation you have)
    Völuspá
    Hávamál
    Vafţrúđnismál
    Grímnismál
    För Skírnis
    Hárbarđslióđ
    Hymiskviđa
    Lokasenna
    Ţrymskviđa
    Baldrs draumar
    Völundarkviđa
    Rígsţula
    Alvíssmál
    Grottasöngr
    Helgakviđa Hundingsbana in fyrri
    Helgakviđa Hjörvarđssonar
    Helgakviđa Hundingsbana önnor
    Frá dauđa Sinfjötla
    Grípisspá
    Reginsmál
    Fáfnismál
    Sigrdrífumál
    Völsunga saga
    Brot af Sigurđarkviđu
    Guđrúnarkviđa in fyrsta
    Sigurđarkviđa in skamma
    Helreiđ Brynhildar
    Dráp Niflunga
    Guđrúnarkviđa önnor
    Guđrúnarkviđa in ţriđja
    Oddrúnargrátr
    Atlakviđa in Groenlenzka
    Atlamál in Groenlenzku
    Guđrúnarhvöt
    Hamđismál
    Hlöđskviđa
    # Tacitus' "Germania" in English and Latin, translation: Gordon, Thomas Date: c69
    # Ibn Fahdlans' "Risala" in English, translation: unknown
    # Dictionary of Proto-Germanic Roots, author: Zeke Fordsmender
    # Dictionary of old Norse, author: Peter Pettersson
    # Dictionary of old English, author: unknown
    # Latin word list, author: Lynn H. Nelson, University of Kansas, 18 June 1997
    # Dictionary of Gothic, author: unknown
    # Busbecq's Crimean Gothic wordlist
    # Dictionary of Tocharian, author: unknown
    # Dictionary of Proto-Indo European, author: Christopher Gwinn
    # Medieval Dutch word list, author: Hanz Meulenbroeks
    # Old Norse - Old Saxon comparison text, author: unknown
    # The Merseburg Incantations (Merseburger Zaubersprüche)
    # The Hildebrandslied, translation: D.L. Ashliman
    # Jordanes' "Getica" in English, translation: Charles C. Mierow


    Claims of murder, I believe these have already been admitted by the National Socialist officials themselves:

    The principal task of the Einsatzgruppen of the S.D. was the annihilation of the Jews, Gypsies and Political Commissars. - SS General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc...04-28-06.shtml

    Not all SS men murdered but many of them did. The SS was a criminal organization and this has been admitted by their heads. The law has established the damages and punished the criminals. I believe you should go to Nuremberg and complain there if you have a problem with that.
    ........................................ ........................................ ....

    I am not going to respond to immature personal attacks. I am willing to discuss ideology and history but I will not grant you the pleasure of responding to your mockery.
    That is it??? Two links in which you, 1. cite Winston Churchill as an authority on "Germanic clans" and 2. reference a thread: "Zionism, National Socialism for Jews"? I'll deal with the others in a moment.

    1. Churchill is not a historian, holds no advanced degree and as far as can be determined, is no Germanic scholar. Further, even in his piece, he equated "Germanic clans" with Celtic clans. They are in no way similar.

    2. Please pay attention. The subject is Judaism as the origin of National Socialism, not Zionism, National Socialism for Jews. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political philosophy. Whether of not National Socialism has any bearing on Zionism is irrelevant and off topic.

    The Dagna political ideology respondent has cited a whole series of references to prove the point that National Socialism is derived from Judaism. Let's take one at random to test the validity of these references. How about one in English so we can all follow along? How about,

    "Runes Around the North sea And On the Continent A.D. 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenge, ISBN: 90-6781-014-2. Please reproduce a sentence or paragraph proving the proposed position that National Socialism came form Judasim. Just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    That is it??? Two links in which you, 1. cite Winston Churchill as an authority on "Germanic clans" and 2. reference a thread: "Zionism, National Socialism for Jews"? I'll deal with the others in a moment.

    1. Churchill is not a historian, holds no advanced degree and as far as can be determined, is no Germanic scholar. Further, even in his piece, he equated "Germanic clans" with Celtic clans. They are in no way similar.

    2. Please pay attention. The subject is Judaism as the origin of National Socialism, not Zionism, National Socialism for Jews. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political philosophy. Whether of not National Socialism has any bearing on Zionism is irrelevant and off topic.
    Zionism and Judaism both stem from Jewish values. It is relevant. I have quoted Kevin MacDonald on Judaism. Please scroll up in this thread to find it.

    The Dagna political ideology respondent has cited a whole series of references to prove the point that National Socialism is derived from Judaism. Let's take one at random to test the validity of these references. How about one in English so we can all follow along? How about,

    "Runes Around the North sea And On the Continent A.D. 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenge, ISBN: 90-6781-014-2. Please reproduce a sentence or paragraph proving the proposed position that National Socialism came form Judasim. Just one.
    I believe you should read my posts before you reply to them:
    These are some of the sources that have been used about the original Germanic system and values


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf View Post
    As far as I can tell, the NSDAP leadership employed the symbols out of a genuine appreciation, not for cynical manipulation. The use of ancient Indo-Germanic symbols was part of an ill-fated attempt to reconnect with our primordial, pre-Christian past. There can be little doubt there was considerable ignorance in the Third Reich concerning the historical meaning and context of the symbols, but that is not enough to constitute (intentional) abuse.
    This is how I think about this Theme. I think the National Socialists misused the Symbols and were a little ignorant about their History and Context, but I don't think they abused them intentionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Zionism and Judaism both stem from Jewish values. It is relevant. I have quoted Kevin MacDonald on Judaism. Please scroll up in this thread to find it.


    I believe you should read my posts before you reply to them:

    The representative of the Dagna ideology as declined a response to my posts. In this one an attempt is being made to confuse and muddle Judaism with Zionism and then saying they are the same thing. This is false. Again, please respond to the questions at hand. No proof of the proposition that National Socialism stems from Zionism has been cited from Kevin MacDonald.

    All the posts made by representatives of the Dagna political ideology ARE being read, right now. Nothing relevant has been found so far. If the Dagna political ideology representative would be so kind as to specify something, perhaps it could be discussed.

    Please provide evidence of Winston Churchill's academic qualifications to comment on "Germanic clans". Secondly, please provide evidence that in the post Zionism, National Socialism for Jews, proof is contained that National Socialism originated with Judaism.

    Again, please provide a passage proving the citation provided as proof of National Socialism having a Judaic origin: "Runes Around the North Sea And One the Continent A.D. 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenge, ISBN: 90-6781-014-2

    Also, please respond to the other questions posed in the previous three posts. They are not going away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    The representative of the Dagna ideology as declined a response to my posts. In this one an attempt is being made to confuse and muddle Judaism with Zionism and then saying they are the same thing. This is false. Again, please respond to the questions at hand. No proof of the proposition that National Socialism stems from Zionism has been cited from Kevin MacDonald.

    All the posts made by representatives of the Dagna political ideology ARE being read, right now. Nothing relevant has been found so far. If the Dagna political ideology representative would be so kind as to specify something, perhaps it could be discussed.

    Please provide evidence of Winston Churchill's academic qualifications to comment on "Germanic clans". Secondly, please provide evidence that in the post Zionism, National Socialism for Jews, proof is contained that National Socialism originated with Judaism.

    Again, please provide a passage proving the citation provided as proof of National Socialism having a Judaic origin: "Runes Around the North Sea And One the Continent A.D. 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenge, ISBN: 90-6781-014-2

    Also, please respond to the other questions posed in the previous three posts. They are not going away.
    Kevin MacDonald cites European Cultural Origins: Social structure: Individualistic; Republican; Democratic; Ethnocentrism: Relatively Low; Xenophobia: Relatively Low; Socialization: Stresses Independence,
    Self-Reliance;

    Jewish Cultural Origins: Social structure: Collectivistic; Authoritarian; Charismatic Leaders; Ethnocentrism: Relatively High; “Hyper-
    ethnocentrism; Xenophobia: Relatively High; “Hyper-
    xenophobia; Socialization: Stresses Ingroup Identification, Obligations
    to Kinship Group;

    National Socialism is not individualistic, not democratic, highly ethnocentrist and xenophobic, stresses obligations to the group before rights. The conclusion is obvious.

    I have already said that those source "Runes Around the North Sea And One the Continent A.D. 150-700, Jantina Helena Looijenge," was used about the original Germanic values, not about National Socialism and Judaism. You refuse to read what I say in its context. If you continue to take what I say out of context I will not respond to it anymore.

    Dr. Solar Wolff, historians with academnic qualifications have written about the crimes of the National Socialists. Photographic evidence speaks about the Holocaust. Is this the morality you are defending?



    A member of Einsatzgruppe D is just about to shoot a Jewish man kneeling before a filled mass grave in Vinnitsa, Ukraine in 1942. The back of the photograph is inscribed, "The last Jew in Vinnitsa"



    Execution of Poles by Einsatzkommando - Leszno, October 1939



    The Kragujevac massacre



    German policemen tormenting a Jew in Rzeszów, Poland.

    The National Socialist crimes were directed at Germanics too:



    Rotterdam's city center after the bombing. The heavily damaged (now restored) Laurenskerk stands out as the only remaining building reminiscent of Rotterdam's medieval architecture.

    "The Nazis were the most moral government in human history." - Dr. Solar Wolff.


    Die Sonne scheint noch.

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    In post originating from a representative of the Dagna political ideology, attempts have been made to link National Socialism with Muslim extremism in a discussion of the Grand Mufti as will as with Communism is an originated post " National Socialism and Communism". Both the Grand Mufti and Communism after the Russian Jews left the Soviet Union are a favorite target for the Liberal-Jewish-Cosmopolitan political crowd. Both the Dagna political ideological representative and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have attempted to denigrate both and define both as evil. In the case of the Dagna political ideology representative and according to that representative, both are "un-Germanic". Here are some quotes from that representative from about a week ago/ "National Socialism and Communism" thread:

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    "National Socialism was not started by Germanics either, I believe its first ideas developed in Sparta in its incipient form. Hitler was inspired from their people and considered them "Aryans". National Socialism also has much of its roots in Judaism. Zionism is Jewish National Socialism."

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    Who was? I don't believe I was. I compared NS Germany with the GDR, because Germanic countries are what I care about. What Stalin and his followers did in the USSR is of no concern to me as a Germanicist. I don't care what systems are adopted outside Germania. I am merely stating the fact that National Socialism and Communism are alien, oppressive, totalitarian systems which do not belong in Germanic countries
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    Regarding number one, this is confusing because now a reference for National Socialism originating in Spartan Greece is called for. I would ask the Dagna political ideology representative to please provide that reference. While there is nothing insulting about an intellectual origin in ancient Greece, the Spartans are sometimes used in a derogatory manner with people of an anti-militarist leaning. Therefore, I don't want to say this is an insult until I have seen the citation. Please provide it.

    Regarding number two, this goes back to motivation for originating the thread we are in now and its basic framing. A blanket statement has been made about Communism but more to the point about National Socialism. It is claimed that National Socialism (as opposed to only the German Nazi government, in other words, as a form of government) is "alien, oppressive, totalitarian systems which do not belong in Germanic countries".

    This statement verifies, once again, the loaded agenda of the Dagna political ideology. The question posted at the beginning of this thread was not asked in good faith. It was an attempt to spin the Dagna political ideology.

    This is a very insulting statement to be made to Germanics holding political views of National Socialism and Communism---to be told that their views are simply, arbitrarily, prima facia un-Germanic. They are not only insulting, they are baseless. Besides the alleged moral superiority of the Dagna political ideology, what is the evidence that this is in fact "true" and not just a cheap insult? Please provide references and please provide references to the previous post.

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