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    As these symbols are direct descendants of the cosmos, everyone is free to use them. And except that, I don't believe in the concept of the abuse of symbols, as you can put every meaning in every symbol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nationalanarcho View Post
    ... you can put every meaning in every symbol.
    May I have everyone's attention, please. The below symbol is no longer the logo for the All-German Society for Metaphysics.



    It now means that SuuT is hungry for General Tso's chicken and crab rangoon.

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    can also mean "go". So, pay no attention to that large truck heading toward you next time you are out for a drive.

    All speech is 'free'. It is when speech is interjected with truth that it comes at a cost. - some people ought to put a little more effort into thinking before they spout the first nihilistic 'everyone and everything is everyone and everything else' bullshit that pops into their heads. As a matter of fact, I have just appointed myself the human tactical nuke of posts like this Anarchists - forum wide. I encourage others to do the same: I think it will bump everyone up a notch or two.
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    The National Socialists by no means misused or abused the use of the Symbols of their Birthright. National Socialism was the personification of the love of that other self, that self that is beyond one's self, and it is from these very same waters that spring forth into the mind the meaning of the runes.

    Hitler fought a timeless War against those agents of Dissolution and Chaos for the sake of the lives of his people. Hitler was a loving Son and Protector of the lives and land of his People. It was this bond with his people that drove him on from the very first days of his struggle.

    Ask yourself why I can say that, without being afraid of being called a liar. Ask yourself and then look at what Hitler did for his people, before War was forced upon him. Look at the Miracle that was NS Germany, look and remember what Germany was before Hitler, remember Versailles.

    Hitler and the National Socialists had every right to use the symbols of their birthright, and in no way misused them. What one should ask instead, is why the West is so ardently ignorant as to that we live in a World still yet governed by those forces which continue to do the work of destroying us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SüüT View Post

    can also mean "go". So, pay no attention to that large truck heading toward you next time you are out for a drive.
    Why not? I have never said that the process of the changing of the meaning is short, or the like. If you would use it constantly as "go" it would be established. Symbols are changable and temporary.

    Just take a look at the German nationalists, who use Palestenian scarves, a former symbol of the anti-fascists. It's all a matter of interpretation, and your polemical and ultra-sarcastic answer doesn't change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    So, Dagna, do you have the right to use them?
    Only if I use them for the purposes they were intended.

    This is free speech.
    Indeed.
    National Socialism is a Germanic ideology--the only government ever dedicated to it.
    No I don't belive so, please read my thread "the Germanic form of government".

    They are sacred and for that reason there is no better use of them than with a National Socialist government. Racism is the human condition. I believe you are a racist, Dagna. But either you don't know yourself well enough or have let Liberal-Jewish-Cosmopolitanism define you. Don't try to pass off your opinions to others. Speak for yourself. I do.
    I believe you should take your own advice and speak for yourself, and not for me. A National Socialist government was not anywhere near sacred as it put ideology before people. Germans who opposed National Socialism were executed. Which pro-German government executed its own people, its own flesh and blood, its own kin? Germans who simply wanted the better for their people. Stauffenberg noticed Hitler was going insane and wanted to rid Germany of him for the good of the people. He was executed for it. Do you know what his last words were? "Es lebe unser heiliges Deutschland!" ("Long live our holy Germany!"). Stauffenberg was not even a real opponent of National Socialists. I believe he agreed with the nationalistic aspects of National Socialism. He was a hero and a martyr. Dr. Solar Wolff, do you approve of the execution of young Germans for political reasons?

    By the way, you failed to answer my questions in the previous post--this time as everytime. Please respond or do you want me to restate them?
    I do not answer questions directed at my person. I am not here to discuss my person, I am here to discuss ideologies. If you believe you can discuss something without getting personal, then I will answer your questions.

    To put it clearly, I believe my ideology is more moral and more pro-Germanic than National Socialism which is a violent, oppressive ideology which makes a mockery of Germanic values.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nationalanarcho View Post
    As these symbols are direct descendants of the cosmos, everyone is free to use them. And except that, I don't believe in the concept of the abuse of symbols, as you can put every meaning in every symbol.
    How do you feel about Turks waving a German flag with their Turkish symbol?



    Anyone can use them for any reason, you say?

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    It is evident that you like to live in the past, and thus you have to tell you that historical sciences somehow can bring forth "facts", however they are the weakest of all empirical sciences, and are certainly far behind racial sciences.

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    You totally disregard Germanics greatest abillity, and that is to create, and what Germanics create is Germanic, NS is Germanic from the heart.
    National Socialism is inspired from Judaism so it is not Germanic. National Socialism has more in common with Judaism than with Germanic, or European cultural origins.

    Below is a summary of some of the evolutionary and cultural differences between Jews and Europeans according to Kevin MacDonald (2000). Professor MacDonald has written extensively on Judaism from an evoutionary perspective.

    http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/2.html#other


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    National Socialism is inspired from Judaism so it is not Germanic. National Socialism has more in common with Judaism than with Germanic, or European cultural origins.

    Below is a summary of some of the evolutionary and cultural differences between Jews and Europeans according to Kevin MacDonald (2000). Professor MacDonald has written extensively on Judaism from an evoutionary perspective.

    http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/2.html#other
    I would tend to agree with both McDonald and the author of that website who argue that symbols associated with NS are ruined beyond hope of revival, and thus should be avoided at all costs.

    Any inspiration National Socialism had from Judaism came via Christianity, so by that argument all the other great Germanic societies would be tainted by the same.

    As to the jewish evolutionary strategy in general, some thoughts come to mind:

    1. It was appropriated, at least in part, from other ancient peoples who shared ancestry with Germanics

    2. It was developed as a survival strategy by a people who were radically outnumbered by those in the world around them. This bears at least some resemblance to the current state of Germanics

    3. The ethnic group who followed this strategy is arguably the most powerful, or at least one of the most powerful, ethnic groups in the world today. Certainly, they have a homeland which is self-aware of their ethnic identity and acts as an advocate of this ethnic identity; and thy have many people in influential positions of other countries who strongly identify with their ethnic identity and work to advance it. Perhaps, in seeking ways for our ethnic group's preservation and advancement, we should look at the strategies pursued by those most successful at preservation and advancement of their ethnic group.

    4. The jewish evolutionary strategy was most closely followed by Germanics in the 'Christian' period from the middle ages through the early 20th century. This period was the period in which Germanics were the most successful


    There are some elements of the jewish evolutionary strategy which will clash with the innate characteristics of Germanics, particuarly the tendency towards collectivism, but that's not to say we can't appropriate certain elements of their evolutionary strategy for our own. Especially since at least some of these characteristics were derived from proto-Germanic sources, in particular the willingness to kill or be killed that was referenced in either this thread or the other one with similar discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Germans who opposed National Socialism were executed.
    BS, traitors were executed. There were thousands of Germans who were against NS, openly, and no one touched them, but in times of war, you don't fall in the back of your people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    National Socialism is inspired from Judaism so it is not Germanic.
    There is only one truth, if the tactics are the same or very similar this doesn't mean they influenced each other, Heinrich Himmler put it best, it is always the same reason why societies raise to power, and it is always the same reason why they decline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J&#228;ger View Post
    BS, traitors were executed. There were thousands of Germans who were against NS, openly, and no one touched them, but in times of war, you don't fall in the back of your people.
    Stauffenberg was no traitor, he wanted to replace Hitler because Hitler was a madman, destroying his own people and country. Hitler wanted a personality cult, to be worshipped like a god, he didn't even bother about the ideology and beliefs anymore, one moment he made pro-Christian statements, the next moment he would insult Christianity. He was a megalomaniac and a hypocrite and it was proven when he killed himself and let his whole people alone to face the consequences of his stupid mistakes.

    There is only one truth, if the tactics are the same or very similar this doesn't mean they influenced each other, Heinrich Himmler put it best, it is always the same reason why societies raise to power, and it is always the same reason why they decline.
    I don't believe this proves that National Socialism is not inspired from Judaism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    I don't think they ever intended to become labeled as the "super evil movement from outer space," their actions and ideology fit well within the context of other regimes at the time and in what was then recent history.
    Of course they didn't consider themselves evil, although that is what most people call them now. To them, attempting to preserve the German speaking people of Europe was not evil, but it looks like it is to everyone else.

    I don't think they abused the runes or the swastika, I think the people who call Nazis "evil" abuse them. Without them, the runes and the swastika would just be symbols of unity and faith, it's the people who criticize these symbols that make them some sort of evil hate symbols. The raised fist symbol used by the far left and many black power groups isn't seen as hateful, even though in most cases it is. You won't see a raised fist in the logo of an animal welfare society, or any other peaceful organization. This is not true for swastikas and runes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Stauffenberg was no traitor, he wanted to replace Hitler because Hitler was a madman, destroying his own people and country.
    Of course he was, if Hitler was a madman, Stauffenberg would have had more support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Hitler wanted a personality cult, to be worshipped like a god, he didn't even bother about the ideology and beliefs anymore, one moment he made pro-Christian statements, the next moment he would insult Christianity.
    What do you mean exactly? The pro-Christian remarks are almost exclusively pre-1933.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    He was a megalomaniac and a hypocrite and it was proven when he killed himself and let his whole people alone to face the consequences of his stupid mistakes.
    Pfft, he refused to leave Berlin, even though he could, he had failed and his life was the price to be paid, suicide is a redeeming deed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I don't believe this proves that National Socialism is not inspired from Judaism.
    It proves that just naming some similarities in tactic does not prove the influence either.
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