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    I think it depends on the class/caste of the Germanic in question. Farmers would probaly find other traits in women more beautifull then the warior-aristocracy.

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    Scratch that, was thinking of the Castillian romances.

    Renier has studied the feminine ideal of the Provençal poets, the troubadours who used the "langue d'oc."

    "They avoid any description of the feminine type. The indications refer in great part to the slender, erect, fresh appearance of the body, and to the white and rosy coloring. After the person generally, the eyes receive most praise; they are sweet, amorous, clear, smiling, and bright. The color is never mentioned. The mouth is laughing, and vermilion, and, smiling sweetly, it reveals the white teeth and calls for the delights of the kiss. The face is clear and fresh, the hand white and the hair constantly blonde. The troubadours seldom speak of the rest of the body. Peire Vidal is an exception, and his reference to the well−raised breasts may be placed beside a reference by Bertran de Born. The general impression conveyed by the love lyrics of the langue d'oc is one of great convention. There seemed to be no salvation outside certain phrases and epithets. The woman of Provence, sung by hundreds of poets, seems to have been composed all of milk and roses, a blonde Nuremburg doll."

    The conventional ideal of the troubadours is, again, thus described: "She is a lady whose skin is white as milk, whiter than the driven snow, of peculiar purity in whiteness. Her cheeks, on which vermilion hues alone appear, are like the rosebud in spring, when it has not yet opened to the full. Her hair, which is nearly always bedecked and adorned with flowers, is invariably of the color of flax, as soft as silk, and shimmering with a sheen of the finest gold."

    In a detailed and well−documented thesis, Alwin Schultz describes the characteristics of the beautiful woman as she appealed to the German authors of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. She must be of medium height and slender. Her hair must be fair, like gold; long, bright, and curly; a man's must only reach to his shoulders. Dark hair is seldom mentioned and was not admired. The parting of the hair must be white, but not too broad. The forehead must be white and bright and rounded, without wrinkles. The eyebrows must be darker than the hair, arched, and not too broad, as though drawn with a pencil, the space between them not too broad. The eyes must be bright, clear, and sparkling, not too large or too small; nothing definite was said of the color, but they were evidently usually blue. The nose must be of medium size, straight, and not curved. The cheeks must be white, tinged with red; if the red was absent by nature women use rouge.

    The mouth must be small; the lips full and red. The teeth must be small, white, and even. The chin must be white, rounded, lovable, dimpled; the ears small and beautiful; the neck of medium size, soft, white, and spotless; the arm small; the hands and fingers long; the joints small, the nails white and bright and well cared for. The bosom must be white and large; the breasts high and rounded, like apples or pears, small and soft. The body generally must be slender and active. The lower parts of the body are very seldom mentioned, and many poets are even too modest to mention the breasts. The buttocks must be rounded, one poet, indeed, mentions, and the thighs soft and white, the meinel (mons) brown. The legs must be straight and narrow, the calves full, the feet small and narrow, with high instep. The color of the skin generally must be clear and of a tempered rosiness.

    A somewhat similar, but shorter, account is given by K. Weinhold. [...] Weinhold considers that, like the French, the Germans admired the mixed eye, vair or gray.
    Sourced from Studies in the Psychology of Sex, published in 2004.

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    From most to least beautiful:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Rik View Post
    Well , there must be outern traits Germanics prefered above others.
    I read that the ancient Germans and Celts would bleach their hair because blonde hair was preferred. That's all that I know of this "beauty ideal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veratýr View Post
    I read that the ancient Germans and Celts would bleach their hair because blonde hair was preferred. That's all that I know of this "beauty ideal."
    Where did you read that? It would be highly interesting if ancient Germans could already bleach their hair, while Romans had to sit in the sun and risk a sunstroke

    Aside from the idea that ancient Germans where already blonder than today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash Voyager View Post
    There is a Germanic beauty ideal? Who decided what traits meet that ideal?
    Yes, there is - Nature has decided it so. You are Germanic; you, yourself, have an ideal in mind when you think of beauty. Ergo, there is at least one Germanic beauty ideal. The issue ought to be whether or nor that ideal applies across the board. Indeed, there are Universally attractive traits for Humans in general: facial and bodily symetry, even skin tone and texture; for women, a specific waist-to-hip ratio. I will go on if you like. Now, if these very general things apply universally i.e. across the board, then it is a simple logical extention of this generality to say that particular sub-species (races) have their own per se generalities in regards to beauty ideals. It moves on - particularises - from there; all the way to the preferences of the individual.

    Beauty is overrated and overstressed, unfortunately society doesn't see how it's only skin deep.
    Just like skin colour...?


    "Remember how in that communion only, beholding beauty with the eye of the mind, he will be enabled to bring forth, not images of beauty, but realities (for he has hold not of an image but of a reality), and bringing forth and nourishing true virtue to become the friend of God and be immortal, if mortal man may" (Plato).

    "Nothing is beautiful, only man: on this piece of naiveté rests all aesthetics, it is the first truth of aesthetics. Let us immediately add its second: nothing is ugly but degenerate man - the domain of aesthetic judgment is therewith defined" (Nietzsche).
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    Just as national boarders are an abstract concept, so is a single preferred beauty ideal for a Germanic race. Ethnicity over large distances follows a gradient pattern. With that in mind the ideal for someone from the North is going to be different than for someone from the south. If you are blonde, odds are you prefer blondes. I personally find woman with dark hair unattractive, not bad looking but they just don't excite me.

    For the record, one of the recorded prose of the Volsung saga includes a description of Sigurd as having brown hair that was very attractive. Meanwhile there are sagas where blonde hair is considered attractive. It's only in cases where their looks were entirely foreign that they were considered ugly.

    BTW Talan, the 2nd least in your gallery there looks a bit young and the last one looks like a blonde job. Probably why you have them at the bottom but I wanted to point that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talan View Post

    They could pass for Eastern Slavs and not the Germanic ideal. I don't know about the other two girls.

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    Why has Talan posted pictures of blonde tarts?

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