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  • I believe in the West and I also consider Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    13 38.24%
  • I believe in the West and I don't consider Countries from Eastern Europe Western, but I consider former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    5 14.71%
  • I believe in the West and I don't consider Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    7 20.59%
  • I believe in the West but I have another Definition of this Concept (and I will explain it below).

    16 47.06%
  • I don't believe in the West.

    4 11.76%
  • I am not sure/I want to see the Votes.

    17 50.00%
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Thread: Your View on the Concept of 'Western World'?

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    Your View on the Concept of 'Western World'?

    Do you believe in this Concept, "the West"? What is your Definition of the West? Do you accept Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) in your Definition? Do you define yourself as Western?

    For me, it's really difficult to consider myself Western. I come from Transylvania which is in Central Europe.

    Here some Information about the Western World:

    The term Western world, the West or the Occident (Latin: occidens -sunset, -west, as distinct from the Orient) can have multiple meanings dependent on its context (e.g., the time period, or the regional social situation). Accordingly, the basic definition of what constitutes “the West” varies, expanding and contracting over time, in relation to various historical circumstances. Historically, the West originated in the northern and eastern Mediterranean with ancient Greece and ancient Rome. Over time, their associated empires grew first to the east and south conquering many older civilizations, and later to the north and west to include Central and Western Europe. Between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the Renaissance, the West experienced a period of relative decline, known as the Middle ages, which included the Dark ages and the Crusades. The knowledge of the ancient Western world was preserved and survived during this period due to the concurrent ascendency of the Islamic Golden Age to the east and south.

    Since the Renaissance, the West evolved beyond the influence of the ancient Greeks and Romans due to the growth of Western European empires, and particularly the globe-spanning British Empire of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Since the Age of discovery and Columbus, the notion of the West expanded to include the Americas, though much of the Americas have considerable pre-Western cultural influence. Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa[citation needed] are considered part of Western culture due to their former status as colonies of Western nations. In addition, Israel and Lebanon may be considered part of the West due to their geographic location and late European colonial origins in the early twentieth century. Generally speaking, the current consensus would locate the West, at the very least, in the cultures and peoples of Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand.

    In a linguistic context, the languages of most nations of the West are members of the Indo-European language family. It should be noted, however, that the Indo-European languages are not exclusively, or even mainly Western; Persian, Pashto, Urdu and Sanskrit are Indo-European languages as well. There are several linguistic exceptions within the West, including Semitic languages, predominantly Arabic and Hebrew, which are members of the Afro-Asiatic language family, as well as Finnish and Hungarian, which belongs to the Uralic family and Basque, whose linguistic family is completely unknown.

    In a religious context, some would define the Abrahamic religions of Judaism and Christianity as 'Western'.

    In the current political or economic context the term the "West" often includes developed nations in the East, such as Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. However, these nations have different and distinctive cultures, religions (although Christianity is a major religion in South Korea), languages, customs, and worldviews that are products of their own indigenous development, rather than solely Western influences. Japan, in particular, is a founding member of the G8, a member of the OECD, an industrialized democracy, with a high standard of living, high level of human development and a major economic power. All of these are generally accepted political or economic characteristics of Western nations.

    There is debate among some as to whether Eastern Europe is in a category of its own. Culturally Eastern Europe, although having mainly eastern orthodox and Islamic influences, is usually more or less accepted into the 'West', mainly because of its geographic location in what is mostly Europe (and cultural ties). It, however, does not fill the traditional economic and living standard criteria which one associates with "The West".

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    The Western World: Your View?

    I believe in the West and I also consider Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    I believe in the West and I don't consider Countries from Eastern Europe Western, but I consider former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    I believe in the West and I don't consider Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    I believe in the West but I have another Definition of this Concept (and I will explain it below).

    I don't believe in the West.

    I am not sure/I want to see the Votes.

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    The concept of East vs West is used to make several several very different distinctions for different purposes. If we are talking about Europe vs China and India then we might include Russia, Greece, and much of the Middle East as Western. That is not the same West as the cold-war term for places that are developed and non-Communist which includes Japan.

    Yet another distinction is for places that arose out of the split between the Western and Eastern Roman Empires around Rome and Constantinople that evolved into a Catholic and Protestant West and an Orthdoox East. It extends into areas beyond the borders of the Roman Empire such as Sweden, Poland, and Russia.

    The iron curtain has more logic to it than just being where the Soviet forces extended after the war. It roughly coincides with an older line that separated two different kinds of feudalism, one which evolved easily into capitalism and the other which, if I remember my economic history correctly, led to snags and social tensions that the Communists were able to exploit.

    Yet another line can be drawn based on the proportion of Gothic steeples to onion domes.

    One further line is based on exposure to Asian invasions such as Turks and Huns. This line would include Poland in the West but not Hungary and the Balkans.
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    I don't know, I don't think I believe in "the West". I don't consider Eastern Europe as it is today or former Warsaw Pact countries as "Western". If we split Europe in East and West, according to the Iron Curtain let's say, then my former country the DDR is Eastern, not Western.



    Since my orientation doesn't lay in liberalism, capitalism and other Western "values", I certainly have some trouble thinking of me as Western.

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    My definition is this. The United States and Great Britain, and the Western EU including Scandinavia and the other former British Colonies Canada, Australia, and New Zealand form what is called "The West".

    Everything East Germany I consider "The East". Indeed there may be future conflicts between the West vs the East. Russia is definitely "The East" and so are her Slav Sister States, Romania, Belarus, ect. However in this hypothetical future conflict I expect "The East" to win. Simply because the East is more Nationalistic than "The West".

    Since Germany is under the yoke of American oppression. It is left without the Military it needs. Russia is easily strong enough to wipe out all of Western Europe if and when it does come to that. Western Liberalism and Democracy is going to be shattered by "Eastern Nationalism".

    Just imagine. The year is 2040. Half of the Western European population is composed of 3rd World scum. Now its time for countries like Russia and China to make their move.

    The only way to stop the Collaspe of the Western World is if National Socialism again reawakens the German soul. However I don't see that happening as the US wouldn't let that happen. The US not only wants to ensure its own destruction it wants to take down Western Europe with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriftWood View Post
    Everything East Germany I consider "The East".
    Does that include East Germany?
    Russia is definitely "The East" and so are her Slav Sister States, Romania, Belarus, ect.
    Romania is not a Slavic sister State of Russia. Its Language and Culture are largerly Romanic with some Slavic, Magyar and German Influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Does that include East Germany?

    Romania is not a Slavic sister State of Russia. Its Language and Culture are largerly Romanic with some Slavic, Magyar and German Influence.
    East Germany is more Western than West Germany IMO.

    Romania is the land of Count Dracula and that's all that counts!
    But to stay true to the subject everyone I have ever met in my life who was Romanian I could tell was from Eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriftWood View Post
    East Germany is more Western than West Germany IMO.
    What is that supposed to mean? How are we more Western than West Germany? Are you cracking jokes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriftWood View Post
    East Germany is more Western than West Germany IMO.

    Romania is the land of Count Dracula and that's all that counts!
    But to stay true to the subject everyone I have ever met in my life who was Romanian I could tell was from Eastern Europe.
    Eastern Europe is one Thing, Slavic is another. I corrected you because this Country isn't Slavic.

    Anyway, generally speaking if we refer to the Countries as a whole we could say they are Western/Eastern, but that is a little simplistic in my Opinion. Romania was divided in two for longer than even Germany. Transylvania is more Central European than Eastern. It was a Part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, a Central European Power. I am not sure about East Germany.

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    I'm sure that my view is totally incorrect, but to me the "Western world" has nothing to do with geography but more to do with the countries and some of their ex colonies that were going through industrial development in the 1800's and were allies at at least one point. In a way "Western world" has become a term for all developed countries maybe with a proviso that they were developed before an unfixed date in the past so that China and India get cut out. Now if you can follow that well done!
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    No I don't believe in it. I don't share anything in common with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and the like, least of all Israel (!). They're exotic to me. My country had a different ideology and different values. I'm German first and foremost, I couldn't care for being "Western".

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