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  • I believe in the West and I also consider Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    13 38.24%
  • I believe in the West and I don't consider Countries from Eastern Europe Western, but I consider former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    5 14.71%
  • I believe in the West and I don't consider Countries from Eastern Europe and former Warsaw Pact Countries from Central Europe (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) Western.

    7 20.59%
  • I believe in the West but I have another Definition of this Concept (and I will explain it below).

    16 47.06%
  • I don't believe in the West.

    4 11.76%
  • I am not sure/I want to see the Votes.

    17 50.00%
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Thread: Your View on the Concept of 'Western World'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Western culture is far superior in terms of total cultural ideas.
    I have a problem with the use of this phrase, "Western culture". My culture, East German culture is not Western Culture and I don't want it called that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I have a problem with the use of this phrase, "Western culture". My culture, East German culture is not Western Culture and I don't want it called that.
    Some 'Eurasianist' Nationalists in Russia resent the imposition of 'western' Marxism on their country. The DDR was far to the west of Moscow!
    And on a longer term historical perspective, even Russia is part of western Christendom, and took part in all its shifts and changes. In the present day we have a rising China and India, and East Germany cannot be seen to have a middle position with regard to this spectrum. The 'West' is older, wider, and will last longer than US hegemony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I have a problem with the use of this phrase, "Western culture". My culture, East German culture is not Western Culture and I don't want it called that.
    Then you have a problem with German culture. All German culture is Western Culture, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Then you have a problem with German culture. All German culture is Western Culture, period.
    No, I have a problem with foreigners defining my culture. I am German and I know German culture better than someone who isn't. German culture is not uniform. This "Western" concept is an Americanism and some of us Germans reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    No, I have a problem with foreigners defining my culture. I am German and I know German culture better than someone who isn't. German culture is not uniform. This "Western" concept is an Americanism and some of us Germans reject it.
    The German culture was always part of the western/ocidential culture in it´s history - centuries over centuries. Some decades under USSR surpremacy can´t change this fact. The former GDR/DDR is and was always part of the Western world.

    I suppose you misunderstand the meaning of "Western world". If you think the "western world" was/is defined by the USA of the 20th century, then you´re wrong. It´s no ideological construct of the Americans. While the USA is a big part of the western world nowadays, it´s a fact that the common identity of a western/ocidential world already existed centuries before Europeans detected the American continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    The German culture was always part of the western/ocidential culture in it´s history - centuries over centuries. Some decades under USSR surpremacy can´t change this fact. The former GDR/DDR is and was always part of the Western world.

    I suppose you misunderstand the meaning of "Western world". If you think the "western world" was/is defined by the USA of the 20th century, then you´re wrong. It´s no ideological construct of the Americans. While the USA is a big part of the western world nowadays, it´s a fact that the common identiy of awestern/ocidential world already existed centuries before Europeans detected the American continent.
    East Germany wasn't part of the USSR and German history shows Germany was a Central power. East German history goes back further than the DDR by the way, even DDR historians knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    No, I have a problem with foreigners defining my culture. I am German and I know German culture better than someone who isn't. German culture is not uniform. This "Western" concept is an Americanism and some of us Germans reject it.
    Doesnt have much to do with America The Western concept, we already had it a long time before we found that crappy piece of land there, Germany is part of the Western world the culture is the history is and the land is you should know that as German

    Oh and then on-topic no i dont think our race is superior, how well i do have more love for it and think we are overall smarter and better then Africans,arabs and other sandbox people.
    But then come some Asian cultures that are pretty interesting and strong to and most importantly the people there are still influenced by there old culture wouldnt race mix or allow foreigners in there country.

    So no i have respect for some other Races and think they deserve to have there own cultures and countries as long as they do it far away from my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    East Germany wasn't part of the USSR and German history shows Germany was a Central power. East German history goes back further than the DDR by the way, even DDR historians knew that.
    East Germany was part of the hegemonial sphere of the USSR for some decades. The idea of a "central" power is a construct of the 19th century only, because Germany was sourrounded by a "belt" of political boundaries against Bismark´s Germany, for example. "Mittelmacht" was never a word common before the 19th century.

    That DDR historians "knew" that the DDR history goes back further than the DDR is a joke itself, honestly spoken. They were just trying to rationalize the existence of the GDR, nothing else. The "DDR" as a state was an abnomination of political decisions. A fatal mistake. There was and there will always be only one Germany. I´m sad that you really think that the GDR was something different. Why do you differ between Germans?

    The wall in the brains to divide Germans from Germans is artificial and nonsense. Germany and the German tribes have such a long history, so these some decades of the GDR are of no importance regarding our nation. Only a "Wimpernschlag".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    That DDR historians "knew" that the DDR history goes back further than the DDR is a joke itself, honestly spoken. They were just trying to rationalize the existence of the GDR, nothing else. The "DDR" as a state was an abnomination of political decisions. A fatal mistake. There was and there will always be only one Germany. I´m sad that you really think that the GDR was something different. Why do you differ between Germans?

    The wall in the brains to divide Germans from Germans is artificial and nonsense. Germany and the German tribes have such a long history, so these some decades of the GDR are of no importance regarding our nation. Only a "Wimpernschlag".
    Excuse me, but it was the DDR that wanted one Germany, it was there in the constitution, the anthem and the wishes of the politicians. They wanted a strong socialist Germany but Adenauer didn't want an influential SED in his sphere so it wasn't possible. But because the West discriminated agaisnt their ideology, they gradually distanced themselves as it wasn't possible.

    Whether you like it or not, the DDR is part of East German history. The fact that we were responding to Allies doesn't change it because the West was too. It was just different influential spheres in which Germany was split. But because of the bias against socialism on this site I must put up with my part of Germany being constantly bashed? I don't want to divide Germany, I want a united Germany but I support regional cultures and histories too. The simple fact is that my culture isn't the same as yours. You are Bavarian, I'm East Berliner. In the DDR, there was still German culture. The Soviets didn't change the East Germans into Slavs! The DDR citizens were proud of their German history, culture and language. You never hesitate to have pride in your history and culture. Why do you deny me my history?

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    We didnt attack your country or "former" country, but its part of the Western World we are not talking about West or East Europe but the West like Asia is the east.

    I think DDR or juist that piece of land was probably a important piece of land in the Western world, anyways we shouldn't be arguing about this here maybe good idea for a new thread?

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