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    Post Re: gothic-l · Of the Historical East-Germanic Tribe of the Goths

    Thanks for posting my list! :-)
    I started this pre 1998 with another guy from Germany.
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    Post Re: gothic-l · Of the Historical East-Germanic Tribe of the Goths

    Quote Originally Posted by Thiudans
    Thanks for posting my list! :-)
    I started this pre 1998 with another guy from Germany.
    Then it moved to eGroups (later yahoogroups).
    I still own and moderate it. Please join!

    Also, look at these other lists on yahoogroups

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    Theudiskon (Konrad Oddson's proto-germanic reconstruction list)
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theudiskon

    -Thiudans
    If you look down your members' list, you will find my name on it; it got a recommendation to join Gothic-L by a friend of mine who recently published a book on the origins of the Goths, Ingemarn2000.

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    Post Re: gothic-l · Of the Historical East-Germanic Tribe of the Goths

    Then you are that very Franz Josef! Ingemar = I. Nordberg or so?

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    Post Re: gothic-l · Of the Historical East-Germanic Tribe of the Goths

    Quote Originally Posted by Thiudans
    Then you are that very Franz Josef! Ingemar = I. Nordberg or so?

    -Thiudans
    Ja, één en dezelfde.

    It's Ingemar Nordgren and I am looking around for a foreign publisher for his book, but my search is at the moment unsuccesful, unless he brings it out as an e-book...

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    Post Re: gothic-l · Of the Historical East-Germanic Tribe of the Goths

    Has anyone an opinion about how the earliest Gothic culture (Oxhöft culture)
    originated? Is it a successor of the Pomeranian Face-Urn culture?

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    The Goths

    These Goths came out of the far North (from present-day Gotaland in Sweden) and swept down into southern Europe beginning about 150 CE. They split into two major groups along the way: the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths. In the south they established kingdoms in present-day Italy (with its capital in Ravenna) and southern France (with its capital in present-day Toulouse). This latter kingdom, under pressure from the Franks, moved its capital to the present-day Spanish city of Toledo. In all of these regions the Goths established many secret traditions at the highest levels of society. The tip of this secret iceberg is revealed when you see how many Spanish and Italian names of nobility are derived from Gothic forms. Some of the more familiar examples would be Frederico, Adolfo, Carlo, Ricardo...

    The mystery of what happened to the lost treasure of Rome (including the "Lost Ark") can be solved through knowledge of Visigothic secret history. But that is a story for another time. Eventually the Goths were militarily defeated by a coalition of the Roman Catholic Church and the king of the Franks, who was the first Germanic king to convert to Roman Catholicism. All others before him, including many Goths, had "converted" to their own brand of esoteric "Gothic Christianity." The final end to overt Gothic rule in Spain came with the Muslim invasion in 711 CE. But their secret traditions lived on.

    The Goths gained a reputation in their own time, and through subsequent ages, as a sort of "master-race." In ancient Scandinavia the word gotar was used as an honorific title for heroes, as even today members of the noble class in modern Spain are referred to as gotos ("Goths"). As time went on, some of the secret Gothic tradition merged with some of the established traditions of the peoples among whom they disappeared, while other parts of it were submerged in the cultural "under-class" of peasants, vagabonds and heretics.

    (a nice and encouraging little text about our ancestors by S E Flowers. For copyright reasons I didnt post the whole text, but it can be found at http://www.trapezoid.org/thought/secret.html )

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    For a better account (I am not terribly fond of Thorsson for such things) just read Jordanes' History of the Goths. Here is a link to the Northvegr translation http://www.northvegr.org/lore/jgoth/index.php however I would suggest that if you can find it, you should read Mierow's translation found in the Third Edition of Readings Medieval History. It seems that either they did not get the correct translation or changed it to fit their own views over there at Northvegr because it is slightly different from the Mierow's translation in my text.

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    The Goths also established a powerful empire in present day Ukraine from where they launched operations of war reaching as far as Georgia and Circassia. In my book they were THE master race of the Völkerwanderung. 1:

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    Re: The Goths

    Quote Originally Posted by Menydh View Post
    My intention is simply to bring some bits of reality to the whole story. As a friend once told me when I warned him that he was being Germanicist, "I am not, I am a Gothicist".
    "With the miscegenation vary as much the form as the essence of the nations".
    ILSE SCHWIDETZKY, Grundzüge der Völkerbiologie.



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