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    Here's a site detailing Celtic influence in prehistoric New Zealand: Ancient Celtic New Zealand. One thing seen across several Oceanic cultures are myths of tall, white-skinned red-haired 'original people'. The Patupaiarehe are forest-dwelling, fairy-like beings and in Maori myth they were the first peoples who inhabited the land prior to the arrival of the Polynesian peoples. "Patupaiarehe were generally described as being taller than humans, fair skinned, red- or light-haired and dangerous." ~ teara.govt.nz It's noted elsewhere the Patupaiarehe had blue eyes. Even if there were not tribes of Celts living in the forests of NZ, for the Maori to have such an accurate description of Celts (yes, Celts were dangerous) as part of their ancient folklore it suggests they at least had some contact with such people.

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    Did the Vikings Travel to New Zealand?

    Did the Vikings sail all the way to New Zealand?

    It is not until recent years they have received full acceptance that the Norwegian Vikings settled in North America. What if they sailed even further? In New Zealand, on the other side of the world, is the accepted theory that the Polynesian Maoris were the first to settle in the country, but there are reports that say that the Norwegian Vikings got there before them!

    Thor Heyerdahl summed up his theory that the oceans on our planet in the distant past was the roads that bound the different peoples together - not separated them. We learn eventually how right he had. Throughout the world we find signs that the ancient Egyptians, the Portuguese and the Phoenicians sailed across the oceans, and even if many archaeologists still resist anything that could upset the established theories, so the time is ripe for a thorough review of migration theories and traffic between continents.
    The Norwegian Vikings ravaged the British islands and discovered America is something everyone who has had history in school knows, but there are indications that they sailed farther than we are aware of - or willing to accept. If you are brave enough you can actually ask about the Vikings sailed all the world's oceans and visited all the continents on our planet!

    Arabic Sultan
    Old Arab sources say the Vikings in their thousands - in the fleets of over 100 Viking - ravaged the Mediterranean region on 8-900s, and that they also attacked areas in North Africa. Yes, a bunch of Vikings were bodyguards of an Arab sultan, and he helped to build ships for a fleet that sailed 998 years to India and Indonesia. It was the Vikings reportedly sent further south in some of the ships, so that the sultan in this way got rid of their somewhat ferocious and unruly mercenaries.
    Some scientists believe that the Vikings used the Canary Islands as a support point for its raids in the Mediterranean and North Africa. It is found skipsdel similar to Viking ships strakes, and a C14 dating show to the year 1082, plus / minus 60 years. Several anthropologists believe that the three peoples lived in the Canary Islands through the earliest times, including a leading layer of a Nordic racial type ".

    Kon-Tiki
    Could it be possible that some Vikings headed southwest from the Canary Islands, followed the trade winds, and came to South America?
    In Paraguay, there innrissinger of 61 stones to be identified as the runes from the Viking era, and some researchers argue that the Vikings took their way through Brazil to the top Tiahuanaco in Bolivia - high in the Andes! It is in the ruined city of Tiahuanaco Puma Punku is, with its huge stone slabs and unexplained inscriptions reminiscent of Viking runes. It was in Tiahuanaco the Kon-Tiki (also called Viracocha), a hvithudet, bearded priest in a long white robe, according to legend lived - until he and his men were forced by a warlike leader to set sail across the Pacific on rafts . It was this story that inspired Thor Heyerdahl to put on the Kon-Tiki expedition to prove that the people on the South Sea Islands could have come from South America!
    There are countless stories in the islands of Sydhavet about high hvithudete and bearded gods, who visited the islands - often popped up in the ship which had large white sail. As the god Lųno in Hawaii. We have previously written about the Norwegian Viking Ganger-Rolv that disappeared from the European battlefield in 25 years - after he went to visit a brother in the Hebrides. Viking giant went under a different name in Europe: Rollo. A name that may be a Lųno Polynesian languages!

    Exiled
    It is far from the Norwegian fjords to South America, and beyond to New Zealand. - Too far away for the Norwegian Vikings, most will say. Nevertheless, there are accounts of the Vikings who sailed there. The most famous is probably that of Taine Ruaridh Mhor, a guy in Scotland who in the 1100s was exiled and traveled to New Zealand with great family and friends. They were 95 pieces, in three long ships led by the Vikings. The people in Tain family was lyshudete, had reddish hair and blue eyes and was like almost two feet tall. Perhaps they were relatives of the Vikings, too?
    160 years later, three Viking ships with Norwegian captains again sent to New Zealand to see if any of Taine's descendants could be alive. It was they, in a colony on the South Island and one on the North Island. Some young men were taken back to Scotland to find wives. Some of these were in Scotland, while others returned to New Zealand.

    Explorers
    When the first European explorers arrived in New Zealand they saw white, tall people who were in white, soft clothes, and they heard stories that they had come across the Pacific from Peru. Even today, says Wataka-maoirene in New Zealand that they have old traditions that their tribe originally came from South America - and can tell if they brought hvithudete / helped their ancestors across the sea.
    There are many legends about hvithudete races who was in New Zealand before the Maori, and Maori had a perfectly good term for them: 'tangata whenua' - people who live in the country. There were other names for these whites, who Patupaiarehe, Turehu and Ngati Hotu. Common was that they were hvithudete, had red or blond hair and blue eyes.

    Official Theory
    When the English explorer Captain Cook arrived in New Zealand in 1769, he was greeted by Maori who told that their ancestors had come from a country called Havaikei in large canoes led by navigator Kupe. They named New Zealand Aotearoa, which is often translated to "The Long White Cloud Land", by the cloud they saw from their canoes before they made landfall. The official theory today coincides well with the legend, even if now the migration from the islands of Sydhavet went for a long time and came in several pool. The largest migration must have occurred in the 1300s, and the Maoris must have come from eastern Polynesia, and Raiatea in French Polynesia is often said to be a departure point.

    Touchy subject
    Where did Taine descendants go, why are there no reports in New Zealand about them or the other whites today? Why is the official theory that it was Maori who were the first to settle in "the long white cloud land"?
    There is currently a very sensitive political topic in New Zealand who were the first to settle in the country. Maori, who previously prepared their legends told about the whites who were in the country before them now claims persistently that they were the first. Why have they changed your mind? Well, much in the world today we are talking about politics and money, and this also applies here. Maori are today large sums in compensation from the government because the whites took the land from them by the colonization that occurred after Captain Cook.

    The evidence
    Fair enough with the old legends, but where is the evidence that there may have been the Vikings in New Zealand before the Maori arrived?
    - Most of the evidence are actually in the Maori culture itself, "said Martin Doutré, which has made it his life mission to show that there have been people in New Zealand before the Maori arrived. - Maori took everything when they sailed to New Zealand - houses, terraces, yes, the whole culture of the whites who were there before them!
    Martin has a point beyond doubt, for much of the Maori culture so proud says is their own are not deleted in Polynesia, where they originally would have come from. The houses that Maori lived in when Captain Cook and other explorers arrived have nothing in common with palm huts in Polynesia - they are similar in fact far more on old Norwegian storehouse and churches! Thor Heyerdahl pointed out the same when it comes to the old Maori wood-splitting that is so typical of the houses, which you now find in museums:
    - It is quite clear that such a design with curved lines and motifs are not on the wooden carvings in the Society Islands (French Polynesia), and it also includes the high and very old god-pillars that were erected in ancient Tahiti.
    Many places in New Zealand you will find hills, like ancient volcanic peaks, where the steep sides are formed into terraces. Today, archaeologists say that it is fast as Maori built to defend themselves against white invaders or other tribes.
    - Sure they have been used as fast, but they were built to an entirely different purpose, "said Martin Doutré - They have been markers for navigation and tower for astrological observations - all over the North Island you will find an accurate network of stone piles and markers, and it was not Maori who built this!
    Once again, I can only see why you can not find the equivalent in Polynesia where the Maoris say they come from,
    - You will never find any Polynesians in the process of shaping slopes to terraces or dragging stones together to cairns!

    Remains
    There is also a good deal of stone mounds very similar to the Viking ruins and dig around in New Zealand. Authorities said that only stone piles colonists accumulated when they cleared land for agriculture,
    Remains of buildings, or just rocks?.
    Remains of buildings, or just rocks?.
    but it will Doutré Martin and a number of other skeptics very well have been investigated. The same also applies to the rune stones that should have been found in several places in New Zealand, like the one in Raglan where it should be carved Viking runes.
    - We would also like to find out what had become of the preserved human heads that were on display at the museum in Auckland, said Martin and refers specifically to a picture a head of a dead man with blond hair and Nordic features. The macabre head should have had a label that said it was from the time before the first white explorers arrived. - It could also be of interest to study heaps of bones from the ravages of Maori and cannibal feasts before Captain Cook arrived in the country, they are in the caves where the authorities have now blocked the openings.
    Martin has a wealth of examples of the Maori culture can be "swiped" from the Vikings and the Celts who came to New Zealand, as belt buckles, swords, jewelry and decorations:
    - Many believe that the tattoos that Maori had the face, that someone actually has to this day, is unique to Maori, but it is not. It is known that the Vikings had similar decorations!

    Expelled
    - "My dad is from Norway", my nine year old son Olav said when I showed him an old picture of a Maori chief and asked where he could come from.
    Olav was born in Norway, but his mom is from Polynesia. Well, even today it is not difficult to see that most Māori looks different than the Polynesians, although they claim to be. They have much lighter skin and facial features that are much more European. Plus often freckles. Some anthropologists say that this is due to intermarriage with all the Europeans who migrated to New Zealand after the country became a British colony. Clear that intermarriage with whites has happened, but many Maori families are well aware that no married white after the British came, but they have white blood from those who came first - the tangata whenua. Yes, do as Olaf and looking at pictures and paintings from the time when the first Englishmen arrived with their brushes, cameras and so then it almost ridiculous to claim that they should be depicted Maori renrasete Polynesians.
    There are legends that tell how the white people who were the first races in the country were displaced. How they hunted by the more numerous Maori, were fewer and fewer - and had to seek refuge in inaccessible places, like in the mountains. Not all were killed, some of the women, who were regarded as particularly beautiful, it was probably like a prince's concubines. Since the title of chief among Maori was passed so it is no wonder that many chiefs of ancient pictures have white skin and European features!

    Trade wind
    Would the Vikings be able to sail all the way to New Zealand, over vast stretches of open sea? Well, to sail from, for example, Peru and to New Zealand will be clean on Sunday trip to sail from Norway to Iceland, although it would take longer. To sail with the gentle trade winds and have the power to help is nothing more than to fight against snow, wind and freezing cold sea!
    Although I sailed alone from Norway to the Pacific in my 7 meters long / short sailboat Coco Loco, and sailed around for four years. It took me 32 days to sail from the Galapagos off the Gulf of Panama to the Marquesas Islands in French Polynesia, the longest of sailing I had. Viking ships sailed far faster than the little Coco Loco, and would smooth clear distance in well under half the time.
    I was simply equipped with only Sumlog, sextant and charts, but on my voyage, I met jordomseilere not even had it.
    - I hit the country before or since, said the Spanish Miguel in his sailboat that was greater than the number of Coco Loco, when I met him on the Galapagos. Miguel was Basque and had barely seen the sea before he bought the yacht and cast off.
    Sure, he hit the country, I saw him again he was in Tahiti - as happy and satisfied, in the process of painting a ship in order to scrape together money for some food and kerosene!

    Compass
    The Vikings were excellent navigators and they were actually quite advanced instruments, such as weather vane, bearing slab, and half solstein wheels. Yes, they also used the magnetic rock, which was the forerunner of the compass. A jernnål was wiped over a natural magnetic stone until it was magnetized, and then thrust into a straw so it could float in a bowl of water and pointing to the north-south direction. It used his compass with solbrettet, solar skuggjįfjųl, which was a sundial made of wood. At about the same way as I did it aboard the Coco Loco to the Vikings with the help of these instruments determine latitude with a high degree of certainty. With its incredibly seaworthy and fast craft would be no problem to cross the oceans, some replicas of Viking ships also have proven.

    Sailing Routes
    How did they come from Norway to New Zealand? Well, the Vikings who some believe had come over to the west coast of North America via the Bering Strait, could quite easily have sailed south-west to Hawaii. Then, the race could go further over the ocean to New Zealand, or you could have taken it easy island hopping throughout Polynesia. Shall we say that it would take them a few months from Hawaii, with stops to get water and food? Not country time for people who had clocks and today's idea that everything will go so fast!

    Doutré Martin says that even though the Vikings came to New Zealand before the Maori as he believes that there is evidence that the country was populated by what might be called pre-Celts for thousands of years ago - long before the Vikings. What we do in this case, turning much of our world history upside down. The authorities will not even look at Martin's evidence, but it can do so by clicking here!

    If any of the Vikings who came over to Newfoundland, heading south instead of to the cold north, they would be able to round the Florida and into the Mexican Gulf. On Yucantan Peninsula need not look far to find the legends of white gods who came from the sea, one of them called and even Wotan, a name that is identical to Odin! Of course they would have had a struggle with Viking ships to haul over to the Pacific coast, but there are the rivers that runs most of the way!
    What about those who are sailing from the Canary Islands? Well, Brazil is the natural next stop if you follow the wind and currents. Here is the world's largest river, the Amazon, into the country, right up to the Andes pretty close the west coast. They had enough I put down the Viking ships and continue on foot - and then there were the legends according balsa raft from Peru! Some of the "Brazil-Vikings" could instead have chosen the Amazon have sailed further south, around Cape Horn and then it was pleasing the Pacific next! This was also the road, according to accounts, for those who were banished from Scotland and was sailed to New Zealand by Norwegian Vikings.
    The rogue mercenaries and båtkonstruktųrene which allegedly was sent south from Indonesia by the Arab sultan would encounter in the Australia, but crocodiles and moskitobefengte waters would probably have caused them to head east, around Cape York and into the Pacific Ocean. Polynesia and New Zealand next!

    Mental block
    It is difficult to say which of the proposed routes are the most likely, but none of them would be impossible for the Vikings used to hardships. They had craft and navigational instruments that were more than good enough to cross oceans, and as I have proven in my journey in small Coco Loco so it does not take many generations to sail to the other side of the globe. It was probably much more clean, and it took much longer, for the first traders to move countries towards the exotic spice markets in India than to sail. So why many archaeologists still have a mental block when it comes to traffic on the oceans in the very early days it is difficult to comprehend.
    About the Norwegian Vikings came to New Zealand? Much even suggest it, but the answer we'll probably not before the authorities in the country allow archaeological excavations of what can be pre-Maori buildings and tombs, as well as independent DNA testing of deceased and living Maori. Unfortunately it may take time before the political landscape is ripe for it.
    Translated from Norwegian in a collaboration with Google Translate. The original article; http://www.sydhav.no/artikler/vikinger_new_zealand.htm
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    It is not impossible that the Vikings (or Irish or Scots) could have traveled along the Atlantic coast of the Americas to the Strait of Magellan & up the coast of Chile. From there they could have sailed eastward across the Pacific. We know that the Polynesians sailed all over the Pacific, no reason why other persons with nautical experience couldn't do the same. That it could have happened does mean that it did but many myths (like the red & fairhaired inhabitants of ancient New Zealand) are based on some fact(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cśchulainn-Rurik View Post
    I've heard another argument that the Maori have Chinese blood (and Chinese cultural influence) dating from the Ming dynasty and the voyages of the great treasure fleets.
    Maori came from Hawaiki (Taiwan) only 1000 years ago.
    New Zealand had pre Maori people.

    Vikings went to North America, maybe South America and could have sailed to NZ.


    http://www.whitenewsnow.com/showthre...VIKINGS-SETTLE


    Greenland,Iceland,Scotland,Shetland,Wale s and Ireland also have Celtic people.
    http://www.whitenewsnow.com/showthre...nt-New-Zealand

    http://www.whitenewsnow.com/showthre...nt-New-Zealand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    Did the vikings travel to New Zealand?: http://www.sydhav.no/artikler/vikinger_new_zealand.htm
    All I gotta say is if the Viking indeed, did travel to New Zealand?

    HOLY hell! That would be one of the most AMAZING feats of seafaring, EVER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Translated from Norwegian in a collaboration with Google Translate. The original article; http://www.sydhav.no/artikler/vikinger_new_zealand.htm
    Its possible given the ships they used and their known skill.

    Its very easy for historians or archaeologists to destroy their professional status so they see what the established theory tell them they should see. No rocking the boat.

    Short of dinging up a New Zealand equivalent to Sutton Hoo there is no chance they would go out on a limb and suggest this theory even with reasonable evidence.

    Even then they might try and spin it as fine Maori mettle working lol

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    I know the Vikings went to New Zealand, although nobody is sure when. They possibly also reached the Americas, since the Aztecs had legends about gods with white skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm Saxon View Post
    I know the Vikings went to New Zealand, although nobody is sure when. They possibly also reached the Americas, since the Aztecs had legends about gods with white skin.
    Not possibly, defineatly. Helge Ingstad and his wife found traces of viking settlements in north america, and Vinland is mentioned in Islendigesagaene.
    Somebody on skadi mentioned there has been found viking equipment in Minnesota, maybe connected to the Kensington runestone, but I havent seen any archeological stuff from there (Havent looked in to it either).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm Saxon View Post
    I know the Vikings went to New Zealand, although nobody is sure when. They possibly also reached the Americas, since the Aztecs had legends about gods with white skin.
    Well, their proposed route to New Zealand goes through the Americas. So if they reached C, they definitely reached A and B, too.
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    There are similarities between Norse and Maori motif's but it could also be argued there are similarities between Chinese motif's and Maori. Chinese had been exploring around Australia and Melanesia for a long time - it's very plausible they had an influence or even settled permanently in NZ first and could have easily been called 'white or pale' 'fairy people' in comparison to the darker tropical Polynesians. Certainly a lot easier to sail from china to NZ than north Europe via south America. Invading Maoris may have easily wiped out any chinese settlers especially if they were not used to such invasions. Some of the early Chinese cultures appeared more 'celtic' in their patterning - looks just like Maori and also Canadian indigeneous peoples design patterns. It is alleged there are other similarities in culture, DNA, mining, canal and terrace building and flora. Ill see if I can dig up some images. The Norse were master mariners - I'd like to believe they were in NZ long ago but I haven't seen any bullet proof evidence yet.

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