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    Two stories on how nazi hunters embarrass themselves.

    'Embarrassing' lack of response to Nazis in NZ

    It is believed up to 40 wanted war criminals escaped to New Zealand following World War 2 and the Government's lack of action was an "embarrassment", says a leading Nazi hunter.

    "New Zealand's response on this issue should be a source of embarrassment," Simon Wiesenthal Centre director Dr Efraim Zuroff, of Israel, said yesterday.

    A Holocaust historian, Dr Zuroff founded the centre in 1986 which has tracked and identified more than 2800 suspected Nazi war criminals. Many of those war criminals were discovered to have fled to Western democracies, and the centre has worked with countries to bring suspects to trial.

    In 1987, Canada passed legislation to enable prosecution of suspected Nazi war criminals and was followed by Australia in 1989, and Great Britain in 1991.

    New Zealand set up a two-person unit in 1991 to investigate allegations that perpetrators of war crimes settled in this country.

    The unit spent $190,000 investigating the claims in New Zealand and overseas, narrowing the suspected list from 46 to 17 known to be alive and living in the country.

    The Wiesenthal centre had supplied 42 of the 46 names.

    Fifteen were cleared and two were further investigated, with the unit finding it was "possible" one of the suspects was involved in war crimes.

    The finding of the unit was presented by the then attorney-general, Mr Paul East.

    "We feel we've discharged our obligations to the international community in the steps we've taken and that we will now only respond if we are given something far more substantial than individual names," Mr East said in 1992.

    Dr Zuroff said the centre tried to convince successive New Zealand governments to take legal action against suspected Nazis, but to no avail.

    "New Zealand was the only Anglo-Saxon democracy which faced this problem and chose to ignore it," he said.

    "There was absolutely no political will to take legal action against the Nazi war criminals who emigrated to New Zealand in the late 1940s and early 1950s, posing as refugees fleeing communism."

    During the 1980s and 1990s, Dr Zuroff researched the whereabouts of 40 suspected war criminals who are believed to have emigrated to New Zealand after World War 2.

    Dr Zuroff visited New Zealand in February 2006 to promote Operation Last Chance, which was a last attempt to find surviving Nazi war criminals.

    "By the time that I found these people, many were no longer alive.

    "But one who was alive and living in Auckland was Jonas Pukas, a Lithuanian who served in the 12th Lithuanian Auxiliary Police Battalion, which murdered tens of thousands of Jews in Lithuania and Belarus," Dr Zuroff said.

    When informed that the New Zealand SIS had released information on suspected sightings of Martin Bormann, Mr Zuroff said it was not possible Adolf Hitler's private secretary had came to New Zealand.

    "He died in Germany in 1945," he said.

    In 1967, Simon Wiesenthal said there was strong evidence Bormann was alive and living in South America.

    However, a 1998 DNA test on a skull unearthed at a Berlin construction site in 1972, was matched with the DNA of an unnamed relative of Bormann.


    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/1...ponse-nazis-nz

    Agent Says Israelis Let a Nazi Escape

    JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli agents who kidnapped the Nazi mastermind Adolf Eichmann from Argentina in 1960 found the notorious death camp doctor Josef Mengele but let him get away, one of the operatives said Tuesday.

    The operative, Rafi Eitan, now an 81-year-old Israeli cabinet minister, said that he and other Mossad agents located Mengele in a Buenos Aires apartment with his wife at the time of Eichmann’s capture in 1960. But the operatives decided that trying to seize him would risk sabotaging the capture of Eichmann, who was being held in a safe house before being whisked out of the country.

    Mr. Eitan’s comments indicated that the Israelis were closer to Mengele than had been previously thought and shed light on why they decided to abandon an attempt to catch him.

    “When you have one operation, you’re taking a certain level of risk,” he said. “If you’re doing a second operation at the same time, you double the risk not only for the second operation but for the first one, as well.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/wo...html?ref=world

    Conclusion: Nazi hunters are opportunists.

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    I don't really believe in the term "war crimes".

    War is a horrible, disgraceful, nasty thing where many, many people are killed. Often very painfully and suffering in agonizing death.There is no humane way of conducting a war. Soldiers and civilians die in war no matter what.

    But the reality is when it comes to war you do anything it takes to win. If we are to judge the Axis for "war crimes" then the Allies should be judged too. Of course, that doesn't happen because those who WIN decide who commits the "war crimes".

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    Old age is not an excuse. If you committed heinous crimes, you should respond, Nazi or Ally. However, I am not talking about the average army soldier or camp guard who followed orders and killed only to defend himself, not for the sake of killing. I am talking about those who willingly and voluntarily caused pain and suffering. Some of the stories about war crimes are definitely exaggerated, but those that happened are crimes and should be accounted for. The annoying thing is everyone focuses on Germany, as if it was the only country who spilled blood, even among Axis countries. Why not look at Japan too? Their concentration camps were horrible as well as what they did to people there. Let the Japanese war criminals be tried too.

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    America, Britain and Soviets the first countrys to put the enemies of war on trial, for gods sake the Nazis at the nuremberg trials had no chance!

    Crimes against humanity? More like being at war with America Britain and the Soviets was the crime, the victors could come up with whatever evidence they liked.

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    This story has made it to the news here, I find an English version:

    A 90-year-old German, sentenced in Italy in absentia to life in prison for a Nazi war crime, pleaded innocent Monday at the start of a trial in Germany in one of the last cases of its kind.

    Josef Scheungraber, then the commander of a German mountain infantry battalion, is accused of ordering the killing of 14 civilians in the Tuscan village of Falzano on June 26, 1944. The massacre was allegedly in retaliation for an attack by Italian partisans that left two German soldiers dead. More than six decades on, the trial in the southern city of Munich comes at the end of a prolonged legal odyssey that has provoked outrage among Nazi victims' groups.

    Documents found in the 1990s pointed to Scheungraber's alleged involvement in the killings and he was sentenced in absentia in September 2006 to life imprisonment by the Italian military tribunal in La Spezia. However Germany as a rule does not extradite its citizens without their consent and has not received a formal request from Italy to jail him here.

    The Munich daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung said Monday that Scheungraber's prosecution in Germany "is possibly - and even probably - the last major trial for crimes committed under the Nazis".

    More at source:
    German 90-year-old pleads innocent to Nazi war crime

    @Bärin about Mossad story, I was reading somewhere else that the Mossad was involved in operations of killing former Nazis, without trial of course.

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    I personally am tired of hearing about how the Nazis are the bad guys and the Allies are the good guys. History and the perceptions that follow after are created by the winners, and American along with British and other schools do not teach you anything about what hardship befell the Germans... as though all we need to know are how awful they were and how we should pity the Jews for the Holocaust. I'd like a little less bias and more of the whole story in the education system. Stereotypes are based on a grain of truth and prejudice did not come from thin air.
    As for trying elderly Nazi 'criminals', are they kidding? Let them die in peace. They will probably die soon anyway, and I wonder how much money is being spent on these 'hunts'. That money could be spent in a far better way, I am sure.

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    My gut reaction has always been "leave the old dudes alone." It seems to be a waste of time, and moronic to persue some old person who likely can't even remember who their family is, let alone what country they came from. Not to mention cruel to people unable to mentally function - no different than putting an 8 year old on trial for murder (I say this because my very own state is doing this outrageous thing. Seriously - an 8 year old? Really? Some days I wonder what planet I woke up on and then I read the news - oh yeah this one.)

    What is to be gained out of it? Mostly at this point it has way more to do with revenge than any acutal sense of justice and some prosecutor gets yet another mark on his political career. My big issue with it is it becomes a propaganda game for groups trying to prove some modern relevance - "oh, those last few people are out there. If we just had the funding to go and get them from the nursing home......." Really guys, there are and will be enough horrors in the world for generations to come. Quit with the rehash. No one is going to forget. Trust me. There is a new report in the news every week. Human nature is to bond with the like and distrust the unlike. It is called thousands of years of evolution. Not something even an endless guilt trip on a severely overpopulated world will fix.

    I suggest Science Daily as a good place to start on insights into the human mind. Know thyself as the old words of wisdom suggest.

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    Things that happened long ago should be ignored as no witness can be considered reliable after this amount of time. It is true there are double standards. Allies committed just as many war crimes. For every British child killed by German bombing the British killed 100 back -(thats an Israeli level of retaliation) My relatives saw shooting of German prisoners. Whole German villages had their males hanged and executed the girls raped.
    Americans mercy killed their wounded. (At a place in Greenland called NarssarssuaqThe viking Circle, Colin simpson. Hodder and Staughton 1966.) A practice the Germans never did, but as usual the guilty accuse the accuser.
    WW2 justice was victors justice. Victors wrote the histories.
    I can tell German readers though that the last of the old generation here now say the Germans were right and fought an honorable war. My wifes grandfather fought on the Normandy beaches and he said that if his comrades could see how Britain had turned out they would have thrown down their weapons and surrendered.
    Indeed the British have an admiration/ hate for Germans. Most consider the Germans as the only other true people. French, Italians , Spaniards, bah irrelevant.
    A couple of anecdotes. The men in my fathers town went to Northern france in 1944 to "sort the Germans out". They went as if going to a cup final. A week later pretty much everyone of them was in hospital. Laughing that they had had their arses shot off and that being attacked by Germans was like being assaulted with a sledge hammer. There was no bad feeling just humour.
    My wifes grandfather had hand to hand combat with SS. He killed people but never recovered the trauma. Even at age 80 he would wake up at night screaming with his hands round his wifes throat.

    What is odd is that the people trying to deal with ancient supposed war crimes are silent on modern ones such as those done by Britain, the USA and Israel. Its the old magician trick of "watch this hand so you can't see the other hand fool you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    Things that happened long ago should be ignored as no witness can be considered reliable after this amount of time. It is true there are double standards. Allies committed just as many war crimes. For every British child killed by German bombing the British killed 100 back -(thats an Israeli level of retaliation) My relatives saw shooting of German prisoners. Whole German villages had their males hanged and executed the girls raped.
    Americans mercy killed their wounded. (At a place in Greenland called NarssarssuaqThe viking Circle, Colin simpson. Hodder and Staughton 1966.) A practice the Germans never did, but as usual the guilty accuse the accuser.
    WW2 justice was victors justice. Victors wrote the histories.
    I can tell German readers though that the last of the old generation here now say the Germans were right and fought an honorable war. My wifes grandfather fought on the Normandy beaches and he said that if his comrades could see how Britain had turned out they would have thrown down their weapons and surrendered.
    Indeed the British have an admiration/ hate for Germans. Most consider the Germans as the only other true people. French, Italians , Spaniards, bah irrelevant.
    Spaniard and Italian doesn't belong in the same paragraph as English and German. They are a completely different people and would be technologically backwards as China, if it was not their proximity to Central and Northern Europe.
    Spain's armored fleet consists of Leopard II and have never mass-designed and produced their own armored vehicle. And Spanish music reminds me of the rabble played in the Third World.


    A couple of anecdotes. The men in my fathers town went to Northern france in 1944 to "sort the Germans out". They went as if going to a cup final. A week later pretty much everyone of them was in hospital. Laughing that they had had their arses shot off and that being attacked by Germans was like being assaulted with a sledge hammer. There was no bad feeling just humour.
    My wifes grandfather had hand to hand combat with SS. He killed people but never recovered the trauma. Even at age 80 he would wake up at night screaming with his hands round his wifes throat.

    What is odd is that the people trying to deal with ancient supposed war crimes are silent on modern ones such as those done by Britain, the USA and Israel. Its the old magician trick of "watch this hand so you can't see the other hand fool you."
    I've never heard of anyone trying to track down the French Moroccans, who went on a murder and rape spree in Northern Italy, Austria and Southern Germany.
    Likewise I doubt very few Russians have been brought to justice. Victor's peace...


    Yet we have old men, in their 80's and 90's, given decade sentences (more like death given their old age) on scant evidence. And there's nothing we can do about the men who were murdered in their sleep by ''Brave'' Israeli Nazi Hunters

    There's a Jew Fetish on that subject.
    There's an episode of the Outer Limits which was written by a Polish Jew.


    What happened was that this Jew (Eugene Levy) tracks down the man who killed his family in Auschwitz. Mind you this old German man didn't get more German in appearance, almost like a stereotype appearance of an old Northern German.
    What he does is he meets a time traveler (his Great Great Grandson) and they break into the old man's home. They then proceed to dress up the old German in concentration fatigues and all three go back in time, to 1944.


    Mind you the two Jews were dressed up in SS uniforms.
    (Yeah because a German wouldn't be able to spot a stubby hook-nosed Jew? )


    The old man then runs into a younger version of himself, then he pleads with his younger self (''Do you remember the Green bicycle that Father bought for us?") and is proceedingly shot, execution style.



    It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen that made it on television. Goes to show the physique of the Jewish mind, if they contemplate the idea of using time travel to assassinate people.

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