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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    I said gibsonster and the People arguing and I'm not talking about political Guidelines, I'm talking about being less flaming and aggressive towards the People who disagree with you. You can still make your Point without being verbally violent. Why are you being rude to me now? I have not issued Death Sentences to anyone. There are no local Soviets in Transylvania, the Communist Regime ended in 1989.
    I didn't consider myself verbally abusive toward anyone. As for the death sentences I was referring to Lawspeaker who seems to be keen on putting people up against a wall. And I was only joking about the local soviet. You've been partying with too many vampires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibsonster View Post
    I didn't consider myself verbally abusive toward anyone. As for the death sentences I was referring to Lawspeaker who seems to be keen on putting people up against a wall. And I was only joking about the local soviet. You've been partying with too many vampires.
    I didn't know for sure whether you were joking or serious. Some Americans have asked me if we still live under Ceauşescu. Many Strangers don't know so much about Transylvania so I am used to Stereotyping. The Vampires are also Fairy Tales the Americans are taught about Transylvania. I never met any Vampires in my Life, I can assure you we don't party with them here.

    Back to the Topic, I mostly agree about the Opinions of Members here about Nazi Hunting. They were supposed to be tried back then, by their Countries if they committed Crimes. Since no one did that it's a little bit too late now and it's to make the remaining Lives of Elderly miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post



    In every Way? Now thats Absurdity.

    Unless with Nazis you mean the National-Socialist Politicans and with the Allies the Allied Politicans. (Hence not many Germans during WW2 were National-Socialists.)

    But if you mean the German Military in Comparance with the Allied Military, then i have to disagree, the Soldiers were not different from the Others concerning Humanity, they had their Idiots and their Nice Guys.

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    You misunderstood me there, what I meant was they weren't as bad in every way, as in they were as bad in many ways, but not every single way,as in they were bad but the Nazis were worse.

    With regard to everything else, I stand by what I said, everything I mentioned happened, you questioning it doesn't change that, pows did starve to death during the forced marches as the Germans pulled back, and you seemed to ignore a few of my other points, policies like the commando order had no equivalent amongst the western Allies.


    Seriously though, all the "do some research" and oh rly? 300,000 Dutch people died WHERE'S THE PROOF? comments are ridiculous, those saying it know very well that no respectable academic on Earth would support their arguments, so the "research" would come from two or three crackpot authors who live in fantasy land and have not a shred of credibility. There aren't many places where those citing the vast weight of half a century of worldwide academic consensus could be ridiculed as "not knowing what they're talking about."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    You misunderstood me there, what I meant was they weren't as bad in every way, as in they were as bad in many ways, but not every single way,as in they were bad but the Nazis were worse.

    With regard to everything else, I stand by what I said, everything I mentioned happened, you questioning it doesn't change that, pows did starve to death during the forced marches as the Germans pulled back, and you seemed to ignore a few of my other points, policies like the commando order had no equivalent amongst the western Allies.


    Seriously though, all the "do some research" and oh rly? 300,000 Dutch people died WHERE'S THE PROOF? comments are ridiculous, those saying it know very well that no respectable academic on Earth would support their arguments, so the "research" would come from two or three crackpot authors who live in fantasy land and have not a shred of credibility. There aren't many places where those citing the vast weight of half a century of worldwide academic consensus could be ridiculed as "not knowing what they're talking about."
    You have a very interesting perspective here. Asking for PROOF is ridiculous; undertaking research is crackpot; ignorance is enlightenment. Interesting indeed.

    You mentioned pows starving to death during the forced marches as the Germans pulled back. Could you provide me with a specific example here. I know it's ridiculous asking for proof about anything, but please oblige me. Of course I won't mention anything about numerous German civilians starving to death on account of the British blockade during the first world war, or the hundreds and thousands of Germans incinerated in the firestorm attacks by British bombers under the command of your hero Butcher Harris.

    You also mentioned the commando order. Tell me why the commando order was given in the first place? Were the famous British commandos guilty of murdering prisoners in their numerous raids? Besides you're wrong about the commando order in terms of its implementation as numerous commando prisoners were taken prisoner by the Germans and treated accordingly under the terms of the Geneva Convention. In contrast the shoddy way commandos treated German captives.

    On the subject of proof, wasn't your government involved in the doctoring of "evidence" to make the case for the war against the Iraq? I mention that because "proof" and "research" are such an absurdity with you. Accepted "truths" should never be questioned and according to the political situation the accused are guilty until proven innocent which is never.

    Think twice about accusing me of being ridiculous when you yourself are living in xx xxxxxx denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibsonster View Post
    You have a very interesting perspective here. Asking for PROOF is ridiculous; undertaking research is crackpot; ignorance is enlightenment. Interesting indeed.

    You mentioned pows starving to death during the forced marches as the Germans pulled back. Could you provide me with a specific example here. I know it's ridiculous asking for proof about anything, but please oblige me. Of course I won't mention anything about numerous German civilians starving to death on account of the British blockade during the first world war, or the hundreds and thousands of Germans incinerated in the firestorm attacks by British bombers under the command of your hero Butcher Harris.

    You also mentioned the commando order. Tell me why the commando order was given in the first place? Were the famous British commandos guilty of murdering prisoners in their numerous raids? Besides you're wrong about the commando order in terms of its implementation as numerous commando prisoners were taken prisoner by the Germans and treated accordingly under the terms of the Geneva Convention. In contrast the shoddy way commandos treated German captives.

    On the subject of proof, wasn't your government involved in the doctoring of "evidence" to make the case for the war against the Iraq? I mention that because "proof" and "research" are such an absurdity with you. Accepted "truths" should never be questioned and according to the political situation the accused are guilty until proven innocent which is never.

    Think twice about accusing me of being ridiculous when you yourself are living in xx xxxxxx denial.
    I believe this point of correct commando behavior actually came to trial. Col. Otto Skorzeny surrendered to the Americans who could hardly believe that the "most dangerous man in Europe" had fallen into their hands. They wanted to do something with him, probably because he was a ranking SS officer and so loved by his men. They finally put him on trial for mistreatment or the deaths (if forget which) of some Dutch civilians. During the trial commando conduct was the core issue. Skorzeny's lawyer called as a witness a well known British commando and asked him about the examples Skorzeny was charged with violating. The British commando testified that these practices did occur in the course of clandestine operations and that he and his men had participated in very similar activities. Skorzeny was found not guilty based on this testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    I believe this point of correct commando behavior actually came to trial. Col. Otto Skorzeny surrendered to the Americans who could hardly believe that the "most dangerous man in Europe" had fallen into their hands. They wanted to do something with him, probably because he was a ranking SS officer and so loved by his men. They finally put him on trial for mistreatment or the deaths (if forget which) of some Dutch civilians. During the trial commando conduct was the core issue. Skorzeny's lawyer called as a witness a well known British commando and asked him about the examples Skorzeny was charged with violating. The British commando testified that these practices did occur in the course of clandestine operations and that he and his men had participated in very similar activities. Skorzeny was found not guilty based on this testimony.
    Very good piece of writing. A similar incident happened in regard to the trial of U Boat commanders when US Admiral Chester Nimitz provided testimony in favor of the defendants.

    An interesting point about Skorzeny is that he somehow escaped to Spain. Wonder how he did that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Back to the Topic, I mostly agree about the Opinions of Members here about Nazi Hunting. They were supposed to be tried back then, by their Countries if they committed Crimes. Since no one did that it's a little bit too late now and it's to make the remaining Lives of Elderly miserable.
    I agree, but even back then the trials were a farce in any case as the defendants were charged with violations of law that weren't even in existence at the time of the defendants so-called criminal actions. Testimony given, especially in regard to Nazi genocide was also obtained under dubious circumstances. For instance testimony was obtained by mainly verbal means by so-called "witnesses." No attempt was made to check the authenticity of the witness testimony.

    Also testimony or "confessions" from defendants alleging to crimes were quite often coerced by means of torture or intimidation. This was discovered by US congressional enquiry. German lawyers were not allowed access to the massive documentation that was captured by the allies. How could the defendants be given a fair trial?

    The entire trial of "Nazi war criminals" was nothing but huge miscarriage of justice, and an absolute mockery of the concepts the Western Allies fought under.

    Even the Holocaust is a massive fraud. But the sheer injustice of that can be seen in the present "Holocaust Denial Laws" that make it a criminal offense for even questing the Holocaust, let alone denying it.

    No. We're living under a global tyranny. And it's not the muslims. it's the very power that has hijacked the entire Western World into upholding it's causes. Muslims are as much a victim of this as we are.

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    LUDWIGSBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Germany's chief Nazi prosecutor is now more likely to be consoling the grandchild of a war criminal than chasing Adolf Hitler's murderous henchmen.

    More than 60 years after World War Two ended, Nazi hunters are running out of targets and increasingly becoming historians who shine a harsh light on dark family secrets. "It's hard to keep prosecutors here," said Kurt Schrimm, who leads Germany's department for prosecuting Nazi war crimes. "I tell them when they start that the prospects of prosecution are slim. The suspects are getting older. It's more about finding out and explaining what happened."

    Nazi-hunters turn historian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    LUDWIGSBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Germany's chief Nazi prosecutor is now more likely to be consoling the grandchild of a war criminal than chasing Adolf Hitler's murderous henchmen.

    More than 60 years after World War Two ended, Nazi hunters are running out of targets and increasingly becoming historians who shine a harsh light on dark family secrets. "It's hard to keep prosecutors here," said Kurt Schrimm, who leads Germany's department for prosecuting Nazi war crimes. "I tell them when they start that the prospects of prosecution are slim. The suspects are getting older. It's more about finding out and explaining what happened."

    Nazi-hunters turn historian
    Not to worry. Still plenty of war criminals around. Take the neo-conservatives who control the good old USA. Now they are war criminals of the most vicious kind. Maybe someone should tell these so-called "Nazi hunters" that they have been hunting the wrong guys all these decades. They should be hunting zio-cons; the greatest criminals and artists of debauchery in all history.

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    Neither the old NS nor the Stasi should be persecuted, I mean prosecuted. It's really ridiculous. All this money spend on "nazi hunting" could be put to more serious use, like preventing future crimes.

    Here's how ridiculous it gets, nazi hunters going after 94 year olds:

    Give yourself in, Nazi hunter urges "Dr Death"

    Nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff flew to southern Chile on Wednesday in a bid to find the most wanted World War Two criminal thought to be alive, and he urged Aribert Heim, known as Dr Death, to turn himself in.

    Heim has been on the run for 46 years since evading police in Germany in 1962 prior to a planned prosecution. His family says he died in 1993. He would be 94 if he is alive.

    "My message is: Give up, turn yourself over and at least give the victims closure. You've lived long enough without being behind bars," Zuroff said in Puerto Month.

    The center is offering a 315,000 euro ($495,000) reward for Heim's capture as part of it's so-called "Operation Last Chance," and is planning an advertising blitz to try to elicit tips.

    "He's a horrible war criminal who murdered hundreds of people. Someone like that doesn't deserve to live his life in peace and tranquillity enjoying the scenery here in Puerto Montt," Zuroff said, snowcapped peaks in the distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    "He's a horrible war criminal who murdered hundreds of people. Someone like that doesn't deserve to live his life in peace and tranquillity enjoying the scenery here in Puerto Montt," Zuroff said, snowcapped peaks in the distance.
    Hmm, how does he know if he lived his life in peace and tranquility? I imagine it's not easy hiding in a foreign country which isn't yours, not to mention the possibility of being found by these "Nazi hunters". I don't know, but if it was me, I would live with a little worry and fear.

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