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    A court ordered today that Erich Honecker remain in jail and stand trial for manslaughter despite medical reports indicating that the former East German leader may die of liver cancer within six months. The Berlin court rejected a motion by Mr. Honecker's lawyers, who argued that the case should be dismissed because the report showed that the 80-year-old Communist would not survive the trial.

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    While retarded bureaucrats hunt down old German leaders, bloody Turks rape our women on the street and spit on the country that received them. The traitors of Germany who prosecute other Germans who loved their country but leave bloody foreign criminals get away with their crimes should be lined up. The "justice" system here is rotten.

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    Nazi Hunting.........

    I cannot accept the idea that the government of a country which did not exist at the time of the alleged crimes, has any legitimate authority to hunt down alleged war criminals in other countries, rather than have recourse to the legal procedure of extradition, and, in some cases abduct them in violation of the sovereignty and laws of the country in which they had found refuge.

    The alleged crimes did not take place in Israel nor were they perpetrated against persons who were , at the time, citizens of Israel. On what basis, then, does Israel claim any jurisdiction in such cases ?

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    IMO, if a very long period of time passes between the moment the crime was committed and the present day and during that period the authors haven't committed any other crimes, haven't been brought to justice and/or they are old and especially ill, they should be left alone.

    I think the final procedure in the case of former East German leaders was correct. They were spared imprisonment and allowed to walk free for humanitarian reasons.

    I agree that the justice system is rotten and that people are not really tried because they committed crimes, but because they are on the losing side. e.g. The same regime who sought to prosecute Honecker and the other East Germans after the regime in the GDR fell had greeted and welcomed them voluntarily in West Germany. They didn't seem to have a problem with them at all then. Actually Honecker said something very wise along these lines, they either eagerly greeted a murderer, or they did not consider him guilty of murder.

    Regarding "Nazi hunters", it's rather symbolic come to think of it. Elderly people who are going to die the next day pose no real threat to society indeed, the war is over, the NS regime is gone and many of them don't even hold "Nazi" beliefs, so putting them away doesn't mean being practical and removing a risk from society but restoring some sense of "moral", symbolic "justice". Seeing old people getting deported and being brought in wheelchairs to get sentenced to spending the last of their days succumbing to disease in a prison cell is pretty sick and twisted.

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    Either you hunt every Man and get him on Trial who decided to kill innocent Citizens or POW's, or you don't do that to anyone.
    Because in World War 2 the Allies and Axis were not different if it came to executing POW's and sometimes also killing innocent Citizens. It's in every War like this. Many Citizens get executed because there has been Clues that they sent Informations to Partisan Groups, and it's sure that some of them were innocent and died for nothing.
    Also many POW's get executed, sometimes because the commanding Soldier is insane and wants to let his Hatred flow or because the POW's have been Spies, were guilty of Ambush Attacks in which many of the Opposite Forces died etc.

    On Each Side there were harsh Punishments. I've seen Photographs and Footages of American Soldiers executing German POW's just because they hated the Germans. And i saw German Soldiers executing American Soldiers because they hated the Americans.

    Many Germans joined the SS in the late War Years because they lost their whole Family in Bomb-Attacks on Citizen-Areas and i'm sure the Majority of People who lost their Family because of an Enemy-Attack is full of Hatred and Mourning and tries to do everything to get Revenge. Doesn't matter if it's an young english man who lost his Parents because of a German Bomb-Attack on London. Or if it was a German young Man who lost his Parents during a Bomb-Attack on Hamburg.

    There is a fitting Quote from the German WW2 SS-Panzer-Commander Joachim Peiper:

    "After the battles of Normandy my unit was composed mainly of young, fanatical soldiers. Many of them had lost their parents, sisters and brothers during the bombing. They had seen for themselves in places like Cologne the thousands of mangled corpses after a terror raid. Their hatred for the enemy was such... I could not always keep it under control."

    War can make Monsters out of Everyone.

    Another fitting Quote by him to this Topic is this:

    "History is always written by the victor, and the histories of the losing parties belong to the shrinking circle of those who were there."




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    Not to mention the Russians and Poles who raped and masacred every German female in Berlin from 8 to 80 years old they could get their hands on. They even raped their own women when they freed them from camps. Atrocities happen in a war and German victims aren't any less "human" than Allied victims just because they oppose the "nazis".

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    When it came to the deaths of civilians both sides were fairly horrific, and there's no excuse when it came to what was done to ordinary Germans, but in terms of honourable martial behaviour, the Germans lost the high ground early on, so I don't think you can equivocate between the British and Americans and Australians on the one hand and the Germans on the other.

    Hitler stopped carping on about honour and started acting like a nasty little man as soon as he got a bloody nose. There may have been cases of anglo troops acting against orders and executing german pows on battlefields, but initiation of attcks on merchant ships, the commando order, forced marches and starvation of allied pows etc were official German policy, though Hitler was so ashamed of some of them he tried to keep them secret. The Russians and Japanese were animals so they aren't even worth comparing with the rest. I know saying this sort of thing isn't popular round here, but no the Allies (excluding the Russians) were not as bad as the Nazis in every way,

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    About Bombing of Dresden, we never learned about it in School. We only learned about the Holocaust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    About Bombing of Dresden, we never learned about it in School. We only learned about the Holocaust.
    Here too. Our teachers were still (1990's !) pretty much like "f.ck their misery". I only learned about Hamburg, Dresden and the rape of many German girls and women by the hands of the Russki's when I started reading myself (when I was about 15/16) And I only learned about Black Tulip and the expulsion of the Germans last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    but in terms of honourable martial behaviour, the Germans lost the high ground early on, so I don't think you can equivocate between the British and Americans and Australians on the one hand and the Germans on the other.
    So you try to say the Germans were the more brutal Ones. Maybe you forgot that we talk here about Soldiers. Of course there were a few nasty Germans who had alot of Power in Command and abused it. But that also existed on the British Site.

    I can tell you horrific Stories about what Commands the US Soldiers received and executed. You havn't probably researched enough. Else you would know that both Sides used the same Tactics. Cutting Trading-Tracks of Food Supplies and other Merchants, Cutting Food-Ratios of special POW's to receive Information.

    but initiation of attcks on merchant ships, the commando order, forced marches and starvation of allied pows etc were official German policy
    Starvation of British Soldiers? Got a Source? Most British Veterans i read Stories from and most German Veterans i read from and talked to all said that the POW Camps (of each side) were alright, expect that the Food was sometimes a bit too less or a bit to monotonous.

    General Erwin Rommel cut the Water Ratio of his Soldiers to a Half so he can provide his British POW's with Water aswell.

    You really have to do some Research, rivalin.

    I know saying this sort of thing isn't popular round here, but no the Allies (excluding the Russians) were not as bad as the Nazis in every way,
    In every Way? Now thats Absurdity.

    Unless with Nazis you mean the National-Socialist Politicans and with the Allies the Allied Politicans. (Hence not many Germans during WW2 were National-Socialists.)

    But if you mean the German Military in Comparance with the Allied Military, then i have to disagree, the Soldiers were not different from the Others concerning Humanity, they had their Idiots and their Nice Guys.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    About Bombing of Dresden, we never learned about it in School. We only learned about the Holocaust.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Here too. Our teachers were still (1990's !) pretty much like "f.ck their misery". I only learned about Hamburg, Dresden and the rape of many German girls and women by the hands of the Russki's when I started reading myself (when I was about 15/16) And I only learned about Black Tulip and the expulsion of the Germans last year.
    Ya, it's best to learn and research by yourselves because what they teach in schools is politically correct BS. Here too, I hear what they teach teenagers is mostly Holocaust. They focus so much on the Holocaust and Third Reich (anti-German side ONLY) that they don't even teach East Germans about their own former country. And they're still dissatisfied saying there's TOO LITTLE Holocaust education.

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