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  • I think uniforms should be compulsory in schools.

    51 55.43%
  • I think uniforms shouldn't be compulsory in schools. Schools should permit students to dress the way they like, as long as it doens't violate the dress code.

    14 15.22%
  • I think each school should decide on it.

    26 28.26%
  • I am unsure of what I think of school uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wagnerian View Post
    How then do you account for the lower performance of public schools compared to private schools in bourgeoisie communities, where wealthy parents send their children to both public and private schools?
    Partly because parents who send their kids to private schools care a lot about their education, and partly because the schools are simply better in terms of quality of teachers, education style, and curriculum. If they weren't better, parents wouldn't pay $$$ to send their kids to them. Nothing to do with uniforms.



    Story in the news today:

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    80% of Chicago’s public schools require uniforms


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102300_pf.html

    CHICAGO -- Chavez Clarke, 18, had spent this past Saturday taking catch-up classes so he could graduate on time. As he left a South Side high school that afternoon, he was fatally shot, in broad daylight and in plain view of other students. His death marked a grim end to a week when police and school officials had stepped up their efforts to combat a spike in killings of public school students.

    The day before, an eighth-grader at a North Side school was shot and killed.

    In all, 20 Chicago public school students have been fatally shot so far this school year -- seven in March alone -- compared with 24 the year before, said spokesman Mike Vaughn. Including those who died in non-gun violence, 22 students have been killed this year, and 30 last school year. School officials could not provide precise figures, but said that killings had increased markedly over past years.

    When students returned from spring break on the day after Easter to Richard T. Crane Technical Preparatory Common School on the West Side, they were met by a heavy police presence and parent escorts. Since the March 7 gang-related killing of Ruben Ivy, 18, a block from the school, many students had stayed home, fearing retaliatory violence. Ivy was allegedly shot by a 15-year-old resident of a nearby public housing development, where about 120 Crane students live.

    "It seems a lot safer now," Devinity Reynolds, 16, said Friday morning, as at least eight patrol cars and a paddy wagon lingered around the school. "I hope they do this for the rest of the school year." Officers stood on the sidewalk as parents in fluorescent yellow city-issued vests, emblazoned with the words "walking school bus," met students at bus stops near the school and escorted them inside.

    In February, Mayor Richard M. Daley proposed stepped-up state and federal anti-gun legislation and promoted the city's program to pay people to turn in illegal firearms, which collected more than 6,000 weapons last year. The mayor also moved up the city's curfew for those younger than 18 by half an hour (to 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday, 10 p.m. on other days), and city officials held a summit on teen violence March 22.

    "While one shooting is always too many, the aggravated batteries and gang shootings involving juveniles are actually down this year, compared to years past," Bond said.

    But Gary Slutkin, executive director of the anti-violence group CeaseFire, challenged that assertion.

    "Violence in the schools is ongoing," Slutkin said. "It's not just the deaths. It's the kids beaten until they have seizures. It's the fights on buses with bats and knives. These kids have grown up around violence. By age 20, 40 to 70 percent of kids have personally witnessed a shooting."
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    I think uniforms would be a good thing. It would put an end to silly materialistic antagonisms in school. I think children should be taught racial unity and solidarity. Uniforms I believe would aid this too.
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    I'm a socialist, does that answer it? Yes bring uniforms in schools in my opinion, they aren't catwalks or places to have fun but to study. Besides uniforms will erase the class differences perceived and children will be able to socialise more to cooperate and be solidary. Solidarity is important in the nation and should be taught from early ages. Uniforms in schools are a good start.

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    School uniforms should definitely be encouraged. The more rights students are given, the more the focus shifts from getting an education to expressing individuality. The latest fashion trends aren't necessary to do this. Student's have their academic achievements, interests, activities, and friends. Also, no child should be victimized based on what he can or cannot afford to wear. School uniforms eliminate much peer pressure and they can look quite sharp. Most children are at school only thirty-forty hours a week. There is plenty of time outside of class to flaunt mom or dad's paycheck.

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    I'm wholeheartedly in favour of them. All schools around me have at least something, though it gets progressively more slovenly the lower down the quality scale you go, and it's good to be able to identify where kids go, especially if they're carrying on on the way home and causing trouble. The solidarity aspect is very praiseworthy, and does a lot for a school's ethos in general.

    Younger siblings can also inherit your old clothes as 'cast-offs'!

    I was lucky enough to catch the tail end of Maggie Thatcher's policy of 'assisted places', whereby those poorer kids who were able enough to pass the exams for the private schools in the area were helped with fees by the state. I thus got into a place where older conservative attitudes ruled without opposition, and those little 'superficial' things like discipline, routine and school pride that 'progressives' tell us are mere anachronisms were still in action there. The uniform was very much a part of this package.

    It's funny to hear how in some parts of the world, such things are now being rejected by the same 'liberals' and 'progressives' as part of outmoded socialism. As a teacher in Russia, I saw the damage done by such attitudes, where tribalism took over once uniformity and solidarity were done away with in the schools. In England now, younger cousins tell me that schools are horrendously divided by subculture and so on, to the point of extreme violence and murder (as in the recent Goth girl case), and dress is an obvious part of this. I can only pity the youngsters who have to get through this sort of thing, that I was luckily shielded from.

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    Wouldn't uniformity be a bad thing, and set people up to take orders from the state?
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    Uniforms are symbols of a well-organized, orderly and disciplinated community. I am therefore all for uniforms in schools.

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    I oppose uniforms in school unless they consist of straightlaced steelcaps, bleachers, narrow braces pulled over a Ben Sherman shirt, and a scally cap.

    More seriously, I don't see how a uniform could make a student any less shallow or more diligent. If anything the might provide a distraction from the low quality of the school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Wouldn't uniformity be a bad thing, and set people up to take orders from the state?
    How would uniformity in clothing do this?

    To me, uniform clothing is a symbol of unity and cohesiveness on the part of the school community. I think it's a positive thing, not only for this reason but also because it would prevent children/students from wearing "baggy shorts" and other disgusting apparel that is so commonly worn today.

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    I think uniforms are a good thing. Could be that before I found my own style, I tended to dress conservatively in schools in Austria; usually a pair of leather schoes, normal trousers and a tasteful shirt/jumper ... I was usually picked on for it. Until I tried baggies and skater shoes out for once and all the girls were suddenly all happy about my new choice of fashion and all disappointed when I changed back save for the shoes (which were found to be comfortable)

    No, generally, it cuts away all the fighting about people wearing all different types of fashion. It also proves of a larger ground of "solidarity" because you can proudly show everyone which school you visit, as you uniformly walk along the road with your class. I can't exactly reason why, but when I went to a school which had a uniform, I tended to identify more with the school than otherwise...

    It also speaks of discipline, and finally no one will be picked on for his own style. School is school, they are all here for education, what they favour in their free time should be kept in their free time. Cuts out, as already sad above, all the "fashion race" which I so abhorred during school.

    I was always happy to switch from the warm uniform to my casual clothes, but I never had an issue with wearing school uniform. That's what was expected, that you dress no different than all others, and that's how it was. No fighting over who wore Fishbone and who wore Fubu...


    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    In the UK uniforms are more a conservative thing than a socialist thing, all the state schools have uniforms, but they're fairly lax ones and the kids seem to get away with "customising" them to the point that they don't look like uniforms anymore. It tends to be the more conservative private schools that have strict uniforms,
    I went to a private boarding school, and the regulations were still fairly "lax". As long as you "sort of conformed" to the uniform standard you were fine.

    Our primary uniform was:

    - Boys wore dark grey/black trousers, a white shirt, a navy v-neck jumper and a blue/green striped tie, the latter was supplied by the school. Senior Prefects wore a different tie, which was larger in size and additionally had a thin red stripe after each blue/green pair. There was a single blue/green/yellow prefect tie once handed out, but when the school decided suddenly that they would not introduce the position of "Head Boy", it lost all symbolic nature.

    - Girls had the choice whether they preferred to wear a navy blue skirt that extended way beyond the knees, with navy blue tights underneath, or whether they wished to wear navy blue or black trousers. They also had to wear a white shirt and a blue jumper. Ties were expressly forbidden for the girls.

    Boys also had the option of dressing in full Scottish dress as secondary school uniform, tartan was irrelevant (because if you wore your family tarten, you could hardly be asked to wear another!). I.e. you were only allowed to wear a kilt if you also wore a sporran, knee-height white socks, etc.

    We had to wear this uniform Monday through Thursday. We had to appear at breakfast in our uniforms done, you were refused to be served if your tie wasn't tied for instane. You were required to wear the uniform until after school, you were handed out your casuals every Monday and Wednesday along with your general laundry, thus you were allowed to wear casuals from 5.15 PM onwards. From my third year onwards, you were also allowed to wear your casuals on Friday (where there were only morning lessons) to allow the laundry matron a more flexible scheme, but they had to conform to "good taste" on Friday morning: Football shirts, band shirts, and other types of the thing were only allowed evenings and weekends. We got weekend laundry handed out at 1.15 PM each Friday.

    In my last year, we fabricated "Leavers' jumpers" but allowed for only the front side (with the school logo and name) to be stitched, after asking around, those students that stayed on for another year after us were allowed to wear said hooded navy-blue "school jumper" alternatively, even though they lacked a strict V-neck beyond that which is usually encountered with hoodies.

    If you had PE during the first two lessons of the day, you were also allowed to appear for breakfast and assembly in a P.E. kit, which like everything else entailed a white T-shirt or polo shirt and a navy blue tracksuit. If you did not have PE that early, you were expected to change during morning tea break (if you had it in periods 3/4), lunch break (5/6) or afternoon tea break (7/8). We usually pushed our luck and changed directly beforehand, making up an excuse for being late, since people wearing PE kit when they weren't required to were frowned upon by the rest of the student population.

    Girls were also disallowed from wearing jewelry and overly evident make-up during school hours, though both of these rules were seen quite lax, not really any more strict than the official disallowance of smoking, which was however allowed if outside of the sight of any official building and if the student in question was of legal smoking age (then 16). After all it was a boarding school and so you couldn'T completely disallow smoking...luckily we were spared the "six/eight inch rule" though, would have been deadly in a boarding school...

    Either way, it was seen much less strict than in the days of my stepfather's mom who happened to be a middle-class lass at a private grammar school and was disallowed to partake in official school events until she changed the colour of her dress from ultramarine to navy...
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