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    What means "hate"? A strong word. I wouldn´t go so far to call it "hate" but I´ve a feeling of dislike if Non-Europeans put their feet on European soil for a longer time.

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    historical record confirms a great concern for the levels of criminality within society
    Concern for criminality of societies that weren't as desensitized to crime and violence as the ones we live in... Show me a society that isn't greatly concerned of criminality. "Great concern" is not a good way to measure differences in criminal trends.

    The aristocracy believed that there was a " criminal class " ( genetically programmed to commit heinous crimes ) of people within their nations. Their reaction ( similar to your own ) was to dismiss the horrendous poverty and judicial inequality these people endured and opted to blame it on inherent/inate personal traits , cultural differences ,etc.........Sound familiar?
    The level of distribution of traits such as lower-than-mean intelligence, psychoticness and impulsivness in social underclasses is higher on average in any ethnic group. I stand behind the research.

    People like yourself perpetuate it but it is through the same blinkered vision ( no doubt based on racial superiority ) as was employed by 18th century aristocrats
    Wow, care to write my autobiography for me? I'm not a white supremacist. There are characteristics in every human population to base notions of supremacy on.

    Others like to take more into account than just race when assessing crime and its causes.
    To dismiss out of hand the effects of unemployment ,education , community conditions etc etc is a highly narrowminded approach
    I think it's rather evident from my posts that I don't dismiss external influence on criminal behaviour. The only thing I'm attacking is your refusal to admit the differences of innate traits.

    See, the irony is that you support a system that relies on , and has a great history of , the importing of cheap foreign labour. ( people of different ethnicities/races) Then you decide to bemoan the resultant demographic changes in the landscape.
    My, my, you sure are ideologically hidebound. I'm not a proponent of the political/economic ideology you think I am. There are ideas outside of the traditional left-right dichotomy. So, just for the sake of argument: given that most third world immigrants, of which contemporary mass immigration consists of, are far from versed in languages, have significantly higher unemployment rates (Somalis have been in Finland since the early 90s, yet less than 10% of them are employed) and might have strange cultural quirks that limit their functioning (faith, etc.), how high is the demand for immigrant labour and what is proportion of labour market with that demand? Mass immigration as we are witnessing it today is only possible to maintain in pseudo-socialist states like Sweden (or Finland). What attracts parasitic third world immigrants by the numbers is not the outlooks of employment but the generous upkeep.


    vis a vis the destructive nature of capitalism with regards to racial and social relations is concealed....... well from many it is
    The strongest proponents of contemporary mass immigration are far from capitalists. They are "ideologically progressive", "tolerant" humanitarians with, in many cases, old-guard Marxist backgrounds.

    It may come as a surprise to you that I do believe there are different traits/mentalities between the differing and diverse faces of humanity and it is something that I have great interest in and enjoy learning about.

    I just think that the propensity to commit crime isn't one
    It has been established that the distribution of certain psychological characteristics in violent offenders deviates from that of average law-abiding people. Since mental characteristics have been shown to have a significant genetic factor (by twin studies), it would not be unfounded to think that there existed differences in those distributions between different groups of people. What contributes to criminal propensity? Aggressivness, impulsivness (which relate to levels of testosterone and reflect socil/environmental conditions as adaptations), psychotic personality, relatively lower level of intellect... These traits aren't inherently negative, but they turn such when examined in the context of structured, western societies. Can't you examine them detached from your cultural template? Now who's the crook here...

    ...there are vastly more threads here concerned with the crimes of other races , immigrants etc than there are of crimes committed by Germanics.
    Proportion, anyone? The reason for that is because crime of alien ethnics consitutes a greater threat to Germanic societies and because the phenomenon goes hand in hand with the systematic ethnicide of Germanic nations, which is against the principles of preservation.

    There is no " pathological victimization " ............. step outside the bubble.
    Victimization is one of the cornerstones of contemporary zeitgeist. Whenever negative phenomena linked to ethnic minorities and mass immigration is discussed in the media, they are somehow attributed to the evils of the host society. If someone dares to imply that the ethnic groups in question should be held responsible, stigmatization ensues and the discussion ends. Probably the most blatant and absurd expression of this polarization of roles comes from the pen of Camilla Haavisto who writes on immigration and such in the largest national newspaper in Finland:
    Maahanmuuttajat sinänsä eivät ole tuoneet mitään huonoa. Toki on joitain heihin liittyviä negatiivisia ilmiöitä, mutta ne eivät ole maahanmuuttajien vaan yhteiskunnan tuottamia.
    Translation:
    Immigrants as such haven't brought anything bad. Certainly there are some negative phenomena linked to them, only they are not produced by immigrants but society.
    Blogs critisizing mass immigration, political climate and political figures have been shut down. From the pen of Finland's state prosecutor Mika Illman (imagine the pun...):
    Demokraattisessa maassa hallitusta ja sen harjoittamaa politiikkaa tulee voida arvostella voimakkaastikin ja ulkomaalaispolitiikka on yksi sen osa. Jos siihen sisältyy samalla ulkomaalaisten arvostelu, sekin on hyväksyttävä, jos sitä ei ääneen lausuta.
    Translation:
    In a democratic country there must be a possibility to introduce strong criticism towards government and its policies. Issues relating to immigration are part of government’s policies. If criticism relates to immigrants as well, it is acceptable as long as the criticism is not said aloud.
    Muslim mums win discrimination appeal in Sweden:
    http://www.thelocal.se/9808/20080129/
    The nature of Sweden's discrimination laws mean that it was up to the City of Gothenburg to prove that the request for the women to remove some of their clothing had nothing to do with their religion.

    "In the view of the Court of Appeal, the City of Gothenburg did not succeed in doing this," the court said in a statement.
    Can you grasp the ethical dilemma of this judicial practice? The defendants had to prove their innocence, contrary to the traditional western judicial presumption of "innocent until proven otherwise". The burden of proof has been turned upside down.

    Jail Time for Revving Engine in a Racist Manner:
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    "To be convicted for revving my car in a busy street is hard to take," Hutton told the Sunday Mail newspaper. "Does this mean anyone driving a noisy car in Scotland is now a criminal?"

    Asked in court why the man may have revved his engine, Hana Saad, 23, said through an interpreter, "Maybe because we are Muslim."
    Multiculturalists and "tolerant" people are addicted to guilt and being a part of collective, white compunction is fashionable. What have the Welsh to do with enslaving Africans? Live and learn:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/s...nd_wales.shtml
    Finns have had their share, too. Finnish tar was alledgedly used in slave ships, hence we are responsible and should repent (the fact that Finland itself was a colony is beside the point, obviously).

    How often the concept of hate crime encompassed acts of violence with a Europid victim and non-Europid perpetrator?


    The easiest answer would be to suggest that black slavery was largely abolished in only practice and not in reality. Not in the mentalities of the black and white people themselves.
    There you go, victimization yet again. And how are "practise" and "reality" not interchangeable!? Are you saying that white people are responsible for the ills of black communities and their personal shortcoming because of what they think of them? That's not far from thought crime and, if applied socio-politically, Soviet Absurdistan. Besides, if what you've suggested were true then it is exactly this kind of apologetic, leftist thought that maintains this persistent social division. By the way, why do you keep ignoring the East Asians, you inconsiderate twit? They don't fit in your victimizing view of social inequalities (but they sure do in the proposals of a certain Briton that goes by the name of Lynn), and they haven't been treated that well in history either.


    little wealth leads to crime ---> people of certain racial make up have little wealth ---> people of certain racial make up are more prone to commit crime
    Bearing the underlying premise in mind - the propensity to commit crime depends on racial make up..
    You choose to select race as the cause whilst ignoring wealth ( or the lack of it ) We just differ
    Did I form my sentences somehow unreadable? Where in the above quote I do not incorporate wealth into the equation? And you chose to yet again crop out the underlying premise... Please explain what is wrong with the chain of logic having the underlying premise as that which is.

    Once again a very stereotypical propagandist view of socialism.
    Well, that is what you seem to suggest for battling ill social phenomena, since you deem inequality as one (correct me if I'm wrong). The money is taken from those who have it.

    I just think that until all the different ethnic groups within a society share a level playing field any analysis of crime stats cannot be deemed as conclusive evidence one way or the other.
    Similar trends in criminality and other social phenomena persist in contemporary n-generation immigrants.

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    SubGnostic this is going around in circles.

    My point is ,and always has been , that it is totally narrowminded to judge the propensity of anyone to commit crime without taking into account the criminals social circumstances. I know you agree so why bother going on about it ?

    That's all I wanted to do , to put into an equation that read " black/hispanic = criminal " It is too simplistic. You know it and so do I.

    Who knows , if there weren't the differences in wealth/opportunity we see it may well be true that certain ethnicities have a criminal trait. I don't believe it myself but it could be oneday proven and I would accept it. Until such conclusive evidence is available I will stick with my own opinion that social disenfranchizement lies behind criminality , or the type we have been discussing at least.

    Thanks for the debate ,seriously , we don't disagree on everything ( we voted the same way too :p) but the long winded , time consuming , polemics are a little tiresome and I am trying to avoid them. We can agree to differ
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    Here's an article from 50 years ago, where crime statistics differ between races. Back then, they acknowledged that poverty was not the cause of black crime, as many European immigrants lived in equal or worse conditions. The article blames the difference on 'discrimination', however 50 years later, after 43 years of discrimination in favor of blacks, the same difference in crime rates remains. The 'urban factor' also is disproved by this study, since at the time, these cities were overwhelmingly white.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...0262-3,00.html

    THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North's big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

    In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10&#37; of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

    New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

    Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

    Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder's Court were Negroes. Of last year's 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

    Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

    San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year's 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

    Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit's Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: "The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers."

    But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: "When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as 'typically Negro.' " Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

    Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a "conspiracy of concealment." In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

    Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal's race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

    In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the "conspiracy of concealment" helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

    Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

    Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.
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    I don't hate other races, except one, the Jews, I absolutely despise them.

    I don't want any other races, except white Europeans, in my country.

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    I don't hate other races, I hate individuals. I can get along with any race as long as they act in a way that I deem acceptable. If a black person or a mestizo "acts white", then I have no problem getting along with them. There are even a lot of whites that I hate because of how they act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veratýr View Post
    I don't hate other races, I hate individuals. I can get along with any race as long as they act in a way that I deem acceptable. If a black person or a mestizo "acts white", then I have no problem getting along with them. There are even a lot of whites that I hate because of how they act.
    What exactly do you mean by "acting white"?

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    How can someone hate an entire race... it's not possible. And define hating a race anyway.

    If its based on local immigrants, i could hate alot of people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodnand View Post
    What exactly do you mean by "acting white"?
    Acting like a human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    Acting like a human.
    If he does mean that, though it was not him who answered I think it would be unwise to degrade the label "human act" to white people only.
    Other people can "act human" as well, regardless of ethnicity.

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