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    If we can rationally find a pattern, a purpose, a direction, then it exists. If they ( pattern, purpose, direction) did not exist, we would not find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    If we can rationally find a pattern, a purpose, a direction, then it exists. If they ( pattern, purpose, direction) did not exist, we would not find them.
    My dear Cosmo - many confuse "finding" with INVENTING!
    We are far more creative than we think ...
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    My dear Cosmo - many confuse "finding" with INVENTING!
    We are far more creative than we think ...
    If we invent something out of nothing, then our consciousness is capable of the same thing that God is.

    Did the Universe invent itself? Or did our conscience or collective consciousness invent it ?
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    Post Re: A Higher Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    My dear Cosmo - many confuse "finding" with INVENTING!
    We are far more creative than we think ...

    Identifcation is not inventing. If you continue deny that their is any order to the universe, you will go insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    My dear Cosmo - many confuse "finding" with INVENTING!
    We are far more creative than we think ...
    "'Man's role is to overcome Nature!'
    Millions thoughtlessly parrot this nonsense and end up by really imagining that they themselves represent a kind of conqueror of Nature; though in this they dispose of no other weapon than an idea, and at that such a miserable one, that if it were true no world at all would be conceivable

    But quite aside from the fact that man has never yet conquered Nature in anything, but at most has caught hold of and tried to lift one or another corner of her immense gigantic veil of eternal riddles and secrets, that in reality he invents nothing but only discovers everything, that he does not dominate Nature, but has only risen on the basis of his knowledge of various laws and secrets of Nature to be lord over those other living creatures who lack this knowledge-quite aside from all this, an idea cannot overcome the preconditions for the development and being of humanity, since the idea itself depends only on man. Without human beings there is no human idea in this world, therefore the idea as such is always conditioned by the presence of human beings and hence of all the laws which created the precondition for their existence."

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    Post Re: Finding or Inventing?

    Is it not in man's ATTEMPT to overcome nature that man became ... man?

    Has not man put his evolution on hold?

    And has he not taken the reins from Nature in order to plot his own extinction?

    Man has become good at one thing - he has mastered the art of stupidity.
    He thinks that he has invented something, when he has merely found something that always lay under his nose.
    Likewise, man INVENTS something, and fools himself into believing that he has FOUND something.

    It is not man's 'evil' we need to worry about ['evil' is something else invented, like 'original sin'], but man's stupidity.

    Now that IS dangerous.

    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: Finding or Inventing?

    well... isn't man part of nature? there's nothing on this planet that isn't nature. atom bombs are nature,power stations are nature because nature made us to make those things.so you either trust nature or you don't trust nature.

    Inventing IS finding a notion that hasn't been explored thoroughly.For example, a creative exercise some people use is drowning themselves in content for several days...waiting several days for the brain to process the information and then they start getting these interesting thoughts that are merely correlations between the information that they've consumed and the reason it's creative is because the thoughts they cook up are influenced by their interpretation of the world.Because every individual sees the world differently.

    sorry for the tangent. it's my first post.

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    Re: Finding or Inventing?

    I think it's a fallacy to suggest that just because a thing is a 'part of nature', then therefore, everything that it does must be natural.

    This is microcitoyen's mistake, as I see it.

    For Mankind, while being a part of nature, has certainly done unnatural things!

    And that is not just a play on words.
    Mankind has definitely created things which we can only call artificial and unnatural.

    So 'man-made' does not necessarily mean 'natural'; quite often it means the opposite.

    Indeed, we might speak broadly and say that today's technological society is 'unnatural', and that we object to it on that basis.

    This is not such a tangent, as those who say that technology is 'natural' have transformed their artificial surroundings into (falsely) 'natural' ones by inventing.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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